Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
On 22/03/2010, at 11:11 AM, Claude Needham wrote: Or, would that be the F12 Developer Tools thing in the IE8? I'm talking about the Microsoft one (http://bit.ly/2MHgIY). While it's still a pale imitation of Firebug, the IE8 one is much improved and can be used for most IE7 work by switching modes. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
Tim Snadden wrote: I'm talking about the Microsoft one (http://bit.ly/2MHgIY). While it's still a pale imitation of Firebug, the IE8 one is much improved and can be used for most IE7 work by switching modes. A little confused : when you write the IE8 one, the one that you have cited, at http://bit.ly/2MHgIY, specifically states The Developer Toolbar is not compatible with Internet Explorer 8. Philip Taylor __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
On 24/03/2010, at 7:00 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: Tim Snadden wrote: I'm talking about the Microsoft one (http://bit.ly/2MHgIY). While it's still a pale imitation of Firebug, the IE8 one is much improved and can be used for most IE7 work by switching modes. A little confused : when you write the IE8 one, the one that you have cited, at http://bit.ly/2MHgIY, specifically states The Developer Toolbar is not compatible with Internet Explorer 8. Sorry, my mistake. I don't run Windows normally and just did a quick search and didn't look properly. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
On 24/03/2010, at 7:00 AM, Philip TAYLOR wrote: Tim Snadden wrote: I'm talking about the Microsoft one (http://bit.ly/2MHgIY). While it's still a pale imitation of Firebug, the IE8 one is much improved and can be used for most IE7 work by switching modes. A little confused : when you write the IE8 one, the one that you have cited, at http://bit.ly/2MHgIY, specifically states The Developer Toolbar is not compatible with Internet Explorer 8. Philip Taylor I believe that IE8 comes with 'developer tools' bundled but I can't remember for sure. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd565622%28VS.85%29.aspx __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
On 20/03/2010, at 7:42 PM, Claude Needham wrote: Does such a thing as a quirks detector exist? If you use IE8 and the web developer toolbar there is an area on the top right of the bar that describes 'Document mode'. This shows what the default document mode is. You can also use it to switch modes. You can also find out via javascript with document.compatMode Cheers, Tim __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
Thanks for the suggestion. Much appreciated. Is the web developer toolbar you are referencing the one from http://www.my-debugbar.com Or, would that be the F12 Developer Tools thing in the IE8? Or, is there another developer tool for ie8 that you are referring to? Normally I do all my development in Firefox, so any clues about developer tools for IE would be most welcome. Thanks, Claude On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Tim Snadden li...@snadden.com wrote: On 20/03/2010, at 7:42 PM, Claude Needham wrote: Does such a thing as a quirks detector exist? If you use IE8 and the web developer toolbar there is an area on the top right of the bar that describes 'Document mode'. This shows what the default document mode is. You can also use it to switch modes. You can also find out via javascript with document.compatMode Cheers, Tim __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
Tim Snadden wrote: On 20/03/2010, at 7:42 PM, Claude Needham wrote: Does such a thing as a quirks detector exist? If you use IE8 and the web developer toolbar there is an area on the top right of the bar that describes 'Document mode'. This shows what the default document mode is. You can also use it to switch modes. You can also find out via javascript with document.compatMode Cheers, Tim Thanks Tim, A similar thing appears on the FF 'Web Developers Toolbar' [1] at the far right. It shows a green tick for 'standard compliant mode' and red cross for 'quirks mode'. I not sure what happens in 'almost standard mode'. 1. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/60 -- Alan http://css-class.com/ Armies Cannot Stop An Idea Whose Time Has Come. - Victor Hugo __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
Rumor has it that by using the proper doctype it is possible to force IE to operate in a standards compliant mode -- and thus avoid (in that one situation at least) the quirks that one might otherwise confront. I have two standard-ish header templates I'm working with. (i.e. flailing in the dark). 4.01 strict and XHTML 1.0 Strict. It annoys me that apparently I need to leave off the ?xml version=1.0... thingy in order to prevent IE from going into quirks mode. This means the page will not validate as xhtml. And I've heard some folks suggest that delivering xml as text content is not a good idea (sounds like a fight above my pay grade). So because of this I am using the 4.01 strict. But I don't know if I'm making a mistake or not. In any case, the real question is: Is there a validator type page that will tell me whether or not a particular url is definitely being rendered in standards - mode or if it is in quirks mode. Basically I'm looking for a quirks detector. Does such a thing as a quirks detector exist? Regards, Claude !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd; html head title/title link rel=shortcut icon href= meta name=DESCRIPTION http-equiv=DESCRIPTION content= meta name=KEYWORDS http-equiv=KEYWORDS content= meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 link type=text/css href=main.css rel=stylesheet /head !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; head title/title link rel=shortcut icon href= / meta name=DESCRIPTION http-equiv=DESCRIPTION content= / meta name=KEYWORDS http-equiv=KEYWORDS content= / meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 / link type=text/css href=main.css rel=stylesheet / /head ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 ? removed from its proper position at top of file because of rumors that it will put some version of IE into quirks mode. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Question about standards compliant mode in IE
On Mar 20, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Claude Needham wrote: Rumor has it that by using the proper doctype it is possible to force IE to operate in a standards compliant mode -- and thus avoid (in that one situation at least) the quirks that one might otherwise confront. I have two standard-ish header templates I'm working with. (i.e. flailing in the dark). 4.01 strict and XHTML 1.0 Strict. It annoys me that apparently I need to leave off the ?xml version=1.0... thingy in order to prevent IE from going into quirks mode. Correct in that the xml prolog puts IE 6 (and IE 7, can't remember) in quirksmode. Incorrect in that omitting the xml prolog would invalidate your page. This means the page will not validate as xhtml. And I've heard some folks suggest that delivering xml as text content is not a good idea (sounds like a fight above my pay grade). Indeed. but that is a completely off-topic discussion. So because of this I am using the 4.01 strict. But I don't know if I'm making a mistake or not. No mistake as far as I can see. When I'm not using the html5 doctype: !doctype html, I use html 401. In any case, the real question is: Is there a validator type page that will tell me whether or not a particular url is definitely being rendered in standards - mode or if it is in quirks mode. Basically I'm looking for a quirks detector. No validator will do that. The ultimate resource on doctypes is Henri Sivonen's page: http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/ Does such a thing as a quirks detector exist? There is a bookmarklet that does the job nicely: http://dorward.me.uk/www/bookmarklets/qors/ Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
