[css-d] funny space on div in FF

2006-05-17 Thread Matt Tibbits
Hello,

 

I have a situation where I have a div id=content that follows a div
id=navbar. FF shows a small space between the 2 div's, that is until I
put a border around the div id=content. When I do, the div is pulled up
flush with the top div with only the border in between. 

 

I've seen this behavior before but have never figured out why it happens.
The reason it is a problem on this particular page is because I have a bg
image that I need to be flush with the top div. 

 

You can see this behavior using FF at this address:
http://tibbits.ca/test/Camprotary.ca/info.php

 

If you use IE you can see that it looks the way I want it to. Have I made a
mistake in the way I've coded this, or is FF behaving the way it is supposed
to?  I could put a border around it as a temporary fix, but then there would
still be a 1px space between the top of the image (div id=content) and the
top div (id=navbar). 

 

If anybody could point me in the right direction on this, I would much
appreciate it. 

 

Thanks,

 

Matt

 

 

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Re: [css-d] funny space on div in FF

2006-05-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh

On May 18, 2006, at 10:25 AM, Matt Tibbits wrote:

 I have a situation where I have a div id=content that follows a  
 div
 id=navbar. FF shows a small space between the 2 div's, that is  
 until I
 put a border around the div id=content. When I do, the div is  
 pulled up
 flush with the top div with only the border in between.



 I've seen this behavior before but have never figured out why it  
 happens.
 The reason it is a problem on this particular page is because I  
 have a bg
 image that I need to be flush with the top div.



 You can see this behavior using FF at this address:
 http://tibbits.ca/test/Camprotary.ca/info.php

it is a margin-collapse issue. The problem doesn't happen in IE  
because the container 'hasLayout' [1] which prevents the margin on  
the h1 from 'escaping'. Firefox, Safari, Opera, iCab, IE mac, and any  
browser that supports css 2.x reasonably all show this.

Adding a border to the div in question fixes this as you discover;  
better could be: give the div a small padding (1px) or larger padding  
(1em) and then zero out the top margin on the h1.

[1] http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

Philippe
---
Philippe Wittenbergh
http://emps.l-c-n.com




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Re: [css-d] funny space on div in FF

2006-05-17 Thread Scott Sauyet
Matt Tibbits wrote:
 I have a situation where I have a div id=content that follows a div
 id=navbar. FF shows a small space between the 2 div's, that is until I
 put a border around the div id=content. When I do, the div is pulled up
 flush with the top div with only the border in between. 
 [ ... ]
 http://tibbits.ca/test/Camprotary.ca/info.php

You're running into a problem with collapsing margins.  Adjacent 
vertical margins are combined into one, and placed at the top.  When you 
place the border there, the margins are no longer adjacent.  It's the 
margin from the H1 inside div#info whose margin is escaping.  This can 
be somewhat counterintuitive, but seems to be to spec:

 http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/box.html#collapsing-margins

You can fix it simply with:

 div#info h1 {margin-top: 0; padding-top: 1em;}

This reduces the offending margin to nothing and then adds back the 
desired space as padding.

Cheers,

   -- Scott Sauyet



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