Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
Can we please bottom post or comment inline (like below).
Theresa Mesa wrote:
How is it inefficient to add html {height: 100.1%} to your CSS, which
immediately applies this to all pages without so much as a how-do-you-do
(since you are using an external style sheet)? To me, if you like the
aesthetics of not having the nav jump back and forth horizontally, it seems
like the *most* efficient way of doing it. Either the scrollbar is there, or
it's not. If you are centering your page, you are going to have the problem.
You don't notice the scroll bar over there on the side unless the height of
the content makes scrolling necessary. Otherwise, you don't pay attention to
it.
Very true. The problems with these two pages.
http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml
http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml
is one, the very wide header image and two, the wish to have something
centered. I would recommend to Matthew that he has the menu beginning
from the left and remove all of this.
#menu, #menu a {
position:relative;
}
#menu {
border-bottom: 0;
float: left;
left:50%;
margin-bottom:-1px;
margin-top: 40px; /* added to push it well below the header */
padding-bottom: 0;
}
#menu a {
right:50%;
}
#menu a a {
right: 0;
}
Now you could spend hours (since you are a professed n00b) trying to
absolutely position the nav
Theresa, wrong Matthew.
Either that, or don't try to center the page in the browser window. Let it be
flush left. Then it's a non-issue.
Precisely. It is easy to center a navigation if there are only so many
links.
Theresa
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
How is it inefficient to add html {height: 100.1%} to your CSS, which
immediately applies this to all pages without so much as a how-do-you-
I believe using overflow-y:scroll is a bit better as it does not create a
scroll bar per se.
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
I'll have to try this... On Jun 3, 2010, at 9:28 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: I believe using overflow-y:scroll is a bit better as it does not create a scroll bar per se. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
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[mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:28 AM
To: 'Theresa Mesa'; 'Matthew P. Johnson'
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
How is it inefficient to add html {height: 100.1%} to your CSS, which
immediately applies this to all pages without so much as a how-do-you-
I believe using overflow-y:scroll is a bit better as it does not create a
scroll bar per se.
Please let me rephrase. I have been sick this week so my head is a little
fuzzy.
I did not mean inefficient, I meant to say that it would be nice design wise to
only have the scroll bar when needed but have the nav stay positioned.
:)
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
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[mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:28 AM
To: 'Theresa Mesa'; 'Matthew P. Johnson'
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Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
How is it inefficient to add html {height: 100.1%} to your CSS, which
immediately applies this to all pages without so much as a how-do-you-
I believe using overflow-y:scroll is a bit better as it does not create a
scroll bar per se.
PERFECT THANK YOU :)
This does create a space where the scroll bar would be but it makes sense to
me to have an inactive scroll bar per se rather than a scroll bar that does
not view additional page information.
Cheers :)
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
Hey, I'm loving this fix, too. Theresa PERFECT THANK YOU :) This does create a space where the scroll bar would be but it makes sense to me to have an inactive scroll bar per se rather than a scroll bar that does not view additional page information. Cheers :) __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
If you toggle between http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml and http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml why does the navigation shift? Interesting. Matthew P. Johnson | Eco I.T. 320 Warwick Avenue Oakland CA 94610 | 415.254.1563 | http://ecoitsf.com ecoitsf.com P Please consider the environment before printing this email. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
Because the contact page doesn't have a vertical scrollbar on the right, but
the agreement page does. The whole page is jogging, not just the navigation.
And actually, the contact page seems to be *stretching*, along with the jogging.
Your HTML still has a few errors.
I can't get your CSS page to validate. It's still loading in the validator.
Still loading...still loading...still loading...
A fix someone here gave me for the scrollbar issue is to set your html as html
{ height: 100.1%;} This makes all the pages have a scrollbar, whether they need
it or not. My personal feeling on the matter is that you won't really notice or
care about the scrollbar unless it's evident that more content needs to be
viewed. If it's evident you've seen all the content, you won't be confused by
its presence, because it fills the length of the scrollbar area. On the other
hand, you do immediately notice if you're flipping through pages if the content
of the page is jogging back and forth. Personal preference.
...still loading...still loading. I don't know why your CSS is not loading into
the validator.
Theresa
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote:
If you toggle between
http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml
and
http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml
why does the navigation shift?
Interesting.
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
If you toggle between
http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml
and
http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml
why does the navigation shift?
Because of the scrollbar that shows up when there is content below the fold.
To force a gutter, you can try this:
html {overflow-y:scroll;}
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On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: If you toggle between http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml and http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml why does the navigation shift? Because one page has a vertical scroll bar and the other doesn't. (both page have a huge horizontal scrollbar) Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
How can I find out how to validate the css?
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-Original Message-
From: Theresa Mesa [mailto:trixiesirishe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Matthew P. Johnson
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
Because the contact page doesn't have a vertical scrollbar on the right, but
the agreement page does. The whole page is jogging, not just the navigation.
And actually, the contact page seems to be *stretching*, along with the jogging.
Your HTML still has a few errors.
I can't get your CSS page to validate. It's still loading in the validator.
Still loading...still loading...still loading...
A fix someone here gave me for the scrollbar issue is to set your html as html
{ height: 100.1%;} This makes all the pages have a scrollbar, whether they need
it or not. My personal feeling on the matter is that you won't really notice or
care about the scrollbar unless it's evident that more content needs to be
viewed. If it's evident you've seen all the content, you won't be confused by
its presence, because it fills the length of the scrollbar area. On the other
hand, you do immediately notice if you're flipping through pages if the content
of the page is jogging back and forth. Personal preference.
...still loading...still loading. I don't know why your CSS is not loading into
the validator.
Theresa
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:34 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote:
If you toggle between
http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml
and
http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml
why does the navigation shift?
Interesting.
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
Interesting. I will have to play with this... I wonder why I am getting a scroll bar... Matthew P. Johnson | Eco I.T. 320 Warwick Avenue Oakland CA 94610 | 415.254.1563 | ecoitsf.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:52 PM To: Matthew P. Johnson Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :) On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: If you toggle between http://www.applegateelements.com/contact.shtml and http://www.applegateelements.com/agreement.shtml why does the navigation shift? Because one page has a vertical scroll bar and the other doesn't. (both page have a huge horizontal scrollbar) Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://l-c-n.com/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
I'm stumped. I rarely run into this issue.
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote:
How can I find out how to validate the css?
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-Original Message-
From: Theresa Mesa [mailto:trixiesirishe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Matthew P. Johnson
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
Because the contact page doesn't have a vertical scrollbar on the right, but
the agreement page does. The whole page is jogging, not just the navigation.
And actually, the contact page seems to be *stretching*, along with the
jogging.
Your HTML still has a few errors.
I can't get your CSS page to validate. It's still loading in the validator.
Still loading...still loading...still loading...
A fix someone here gave me for the scrollbar issue is to set your html as
html { height: 100.1%;} This makes all the pages have a scrollbar, whether
they need it or not. My personal feeling on the matter is that you won't
really notice or care about the scrollbar unless it's evident that more
content needs to be viewed. If it's evident you've seen all the content, you
won't be confused by its presence, because it fills the length of the
scrollbar area. On the other hand, you do immediately notice if you're
flipping through pages if the content of the page is jogging back and forth.
Personal preference.
...still loading...still loading. I don't know why your CSS is not loading
into the validator.
Theresa
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Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Theresa Mesa trixiesirishe...@gmail.com wrote: Because the contact page doesn't have a vertical scrollbar on the right, but the agreement page does. The whole page is jogging, not just the navigation. And actually, the contact page seems to be *stretching*, along with the jogging. Your HTML still has a few errors. I can't get your CSS page to validate. It's still loading in the validator. Still loading...still loading...still loading... I was able to validate the css using the direct input method at http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator However, the url method does not seem to be working at the moment. I tried it on a couple of different webpages. Hopefully a transient problem. __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Header: Correct. This is just temporary graphic... I noticed the vertical scroll is causing the issue on pages where there is content that exceeded the vertical screen. So do I have to give all the pages a vertical scroll bar to obtain consistency in the nav? Sincerely, Matthew P. Johnson | Eco I.T. 320 Warwick Avenue Oakland CA 94610 | 415.254.1563 | ecoitsf.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: Theresa Mesa [mailto:trixiesirishe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:24 PM To: Matthew P. Johnson Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :) I have a 30 monitor (and a 20 - duals), and so if I take the browser window and pull it out to encompass your content, no scroll bar. On the contact page, if I make my window really small to be smaller than your content, I get a scrollbar. If I pull the window out the width of my monitor (or close), no horizontal scrollbar. If I move it inward, scrollbar. I do notice that as I enlarge the browser window, your banner art enlarges too. That's because you've set the width of your header image to 100%, so it will enlarge to fit 100% of the browser window. And if it enlarges via width, it enlarges via height, too. Theresa On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: Interesting. I will have to play with this... I wonder why I am getting a scroll bar... _ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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That's what I do. On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: Header: Correct. This is just temporary graphic... I noticed the vertical scroll is causing the issue on pages where there is content that exceeded the vertical screen. So do I have to give all the pages a vertical scroll bar to obtain consistency in the nav? Sincerely, Matthew P. Johnson | Eco I.T. 320 Warwick Avenue Oakland CA 94610 | 415.254.1563 | ecoitsf.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: Theresa Mesa [mailto:trixiesirishe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:24 PM To: Matthew P. Johnson Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :) I have a 30 monitor (and a 20 - duals), and so if I take the browser window and pull it out to encompass your content, no scroll bar. On the contact page, if I make my window really small to be smaller than your content, I get a scrollbar. If I pull the window out the width of my monitor (or close), no horizontal scrollbar. If I move it inward, scrollbar. I do notice that as I enlarge the browser window, your banner art enlarges too. That's because you've set the width of your header image to 100%, so it will enlarge to fit 100% of the browser window. And if it enlarges via width, it enlarges via height, too. Theresa On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: Interesting. I will have to play with this... I wonder why I am getting a scroll bar... _ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
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Interesting. Seems inefficient. Is there another way to stabilize the nav? BTW I am trying to get the backend of the site correct then I will focus on making it pretty. :0) Matthew P. Johnson | Eco I.T. 320 Warwick Avenue Oakland CA 94610 | 415.254.1563 | ecoitsf.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org [mailto:css-d-boun...@lists.css-discuss.org] On Behalf Of Theresa Mesa Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:27 PM To: Matthew P. Johnson Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :) That's what I do. On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: Header: Correct. This is just temporary graphic... I noticed the vertical scroll is causing the issue on pages where there is content that exceeded the vertical screen. So do I have to give all the pages a vertical scroll bar to obtain consistency in the nav? Sincerely, Matthew P. Johnson | Eco I.T. 320 Warwick Avenue Oakland CA 94610 | 415.254.1563 | ecoitsf.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. -Original Message- From: Theresa Mesa [mailto:trixiesirishe...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:24 PM To: Matthew P. Johnson Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :) I have a 30 monitor (and a 20 - duals), and so if I take the browser window and pull it out to encompass your content, no scroll bar. On the contact page, if I make my window really small to be smaller than your content, I get a scrollbar. If I pull the window out the width of my monitor (or close), no horizontal scrollbar. If I move it inward, scrollbar. I do notice that as I enlarge the browser window, your banner art enlarges too. That's because you've set the width of your header image to 100%, so it will enlarge to fit 100% of the browser window. And if it enlarges via width, it enlarges via height, too. Theresa On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote: Interesting. I will have to play with this... I wonder why I am getting a scroll bar... _ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [cs...@lists.css-discuss.org] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies -- http://css-discuss.org/policies.html Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
How is it inefficient to add html {height: 100.1%} to your CSS, which
immediately applies this to all pages without so much as a how-do-you-do (since
you are using an external style sheet)? To me, if you like the aesthetics of
not having the nav jump back and forth horizontally, it seems like the *most*
efficient way of doing it. Either the scrollbar is there, or it's not. If you
are centering your page, you are going to have the problem. You don't notice
the scroll bar over there on the side unless the height of the content makes
scrolling necessary. Otherwise, you don't pay attention to it.
Now you could spend hours (since you are a professed n00b) trying to absolutely
position the nav, and take the chance it may not work in all browsers, or you
apply the extra .1% of height to the html tag in your CSS, get a scrollbar on
every page, and be done with it.
Either that, or don't try to center the page in the browser window. Let it be
flush left. Then it's a non-issue.
Again, I got this fix from someone on this list. I've used it ever since. Works
great. Takes two seconds to apply. Totally efficient.
Theresa
On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote:
Interesting. Seems inefficient. Is there another way to stabilize the nav?
BTW I am trying to get the backend of the site correct then I will focus on
making it pretty. :0)
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Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:27 PM
To: Matthew P. Johnson
Cc: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org
Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
That's what I do.
On Jun 2, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote:
Header: Correct. This is just temporary graphic...
I noticed the vertical scroll is causing the issue on pages where there is
content that exceeded the vertical screen.
So do I have to give all the pages a vertical scroll bar to obtain
consistency in the nav?
Sincerely,
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-Original Message-
From: Theresa Mesa [mailto:trixiesirishe...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:24 PM
To: Matthew P. Johnson
Subject: Re: [css-d] interesting nav issue - please help :)
I have a 30 monitor (and a 20 - duals), and so if I take the browser
window and pull it out to encompass your content, no scroll bar. On the
contact page, if I make my window really small to be smaller than your
content, I get a scrollbar.
If I pull the window out the width of my monitor (or close), no horizontal
scrollbar. If I move it inward, scrollbar. I do notice that as I enlarge the
browser window, your banner art enlarges too. That's because you've set the
width of your header image to 100%, so it will enlarge to fit 100% of the
browser window. And if it enlarges via width, it enlarges via height, too.
Theresa
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Matthew P. Johnson wrote:
Interesting. I will have to play with this... I wonder why I am getting a
scroll bar...
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