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It wasn¹t about the worth of an individual. It was about the proportion of
people killed to the total size of the society.

In a country of 10 people, killing one wipes out 10% of the population, and
will cause a greater overall effect on the society, that the death of one
person in a society of 100 million. I think that was the point, no?

When using proportions instead of actual real numbers, the effect is more dramatic as
you've managed to illustrate AGAIN.  Thus, we have -- because of the big numbers -- 
an
increase in emotionalisation of the statistics which are construed as facts.  Which 
one is
being referred to?  One equals one.  If we went about relying on percentages and
proportions, we could justify eliminating portions of any population, humanimal, fauna 
or
flora just because the numbers look okay.

If we take the number of those killed in NYC on 11th September last (and only in the 
WTC-
connected events, excluding the drug overdoses, natural deaths, murders, suicides and
whathaveyou APART from the airplanes meet buildings events) and compare them against
the total population, we come up with about 0.0375% (3,000 against 8,000,000) and less 
if
you include commuters and visitors from outside of the city that inflate the total 
population,
let's say to 12,000,000, in which case we get about 0.025%.  Not a bad loss.  An
equivalent number of Afghans (non-combatants) were killed for a population of about 25
million, so they only lost about 0.01% or so in the first few weeks of the American
bombings.  So, the Americans lost about double what the Afghans lost.  Except when we
forget that the event was only in one city and then look at the total  population of 
the U.S.
and the Americans look much, much better in terms of a smaller % loss.  So, according 
to
the original position, we could afford to lose many more before the numbers became
equivalent and both countries bore the same loss.  What's all the excitement about 
then?
(Which is the hidden agenda in the original post.)

At this point, numbers become all-important and the human factor is lost because each
person who has died and contributed to the statistics has lost significance outside of 
the
calculations.  As these numbers come to represent something once but no longer human,
their values take on a whole 'nother context.  Was it Stalin who uttered that a single 
death
is a tragedy and many deaths are but statistics?   But I doubt if he ever had to go 
tell this
the families of the Soviet Republics nor will Bush have to confront the Afghans nor 
will
Sharon have to meet with the Palestinians and talk to them about their individual 
losses.
But, all can rest assured that if they had to, they could make the numbers dance and 
dazzle
'em.

It doesn't matter if it's one in ten or one in however much larger another number is.  
It's
still one.  What seems to matter is the 10 percent against the much smaller percentage 
that
supposed to get everyone riled up or made to feel better.  The Americans only lost 
such a
small percentage of its people so why get all uptight about it and make wars?  
Americans
cannot afford to lose one any more than anyone else can afford to lose one, regardless 
of
how the calculations are made.  Shoot ... the people who lost that little girl in Utah 
still had
83% of their kids whereas the Ramsey's only had 50% left (100% loss in females).  Does
this mean that one family's loss was better than another's?  JonBenet was a celebrity 
and
potential moneymaker before her demise; does that make her more important than the
other girl?  Or how about the Afghan family that had to sell their daughter into 
marriage for
$75 so the rest of the family could eat?  They all had the same loss but different in
percentage terms and different in intrinsic value.  But which one was better, middle, 
and
worst in overall terms?

One equals one equals one.  Except when someone's trying to whip up the emotions and
then the definition of one becomes relative.

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[CTRL] The power of words - Part 3: that damned relativity thing

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http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=545

''The power of words Part 3: that damned relativity thing'' Printed on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 @
23:25:58 EDT

By Matthew
RiemerYellowTimes.org Columnist (United States)
(YellowTimes.org) The more likely someone is of accusing you of being
conspiratorial in your ideas the more likely it is that they actually don't
understand how the world works or the more afraid they likely are of the angle
you're presenting. This is said assuming that the individual (presenter of
supposed conspiracy) is not proffering ideas about George W. Bush being a lizard
or aliens ruling Earth from subterranean headquarters. But then again, maybe it
applies to them too.The more one is aware of how the world operates the
less one is surprised or shocked by the truth. Basically, the more ignorant an
individual is about how our global socio-economic-political-big business machine
runs, or someone who buys everything they're told about it, the more surprised
or unbelieving they are of the truth.
Things that shocked us in our youth, or at least surprised us, no longer seem
to do so once we've grown to "adulthood"; in part, this evolutionary phenomenon
would seem to be a function of our intelligence or, more precisely, our
understanding. As we begin to understand more as an organism we also begin to
"discover" more: things that we once did not understand are now understood - and
they also "make sense" this time; certain newly understood concepts somehow
nicely, surprisingly, and weirdly "fit in" with others learned in the past; some
questions simply become moot. And now because of this, what we perceived in the
past as a confusing melange of ideas, facts, and theories seems to coalesce into
a revelatory and natural whole.
Many Americans are still unaware of many important and incriminating
historical facts or are simply in denial with regard to certain conspiratorial
ideas, facts, or legends. The denial seems to result from the corollary between
the amount of coverage something receives and its level of perceived
truthfulness or importance. To not report a story, event, or fact, indeed,
serves to de-emphasize its significance. To paraphrase Hakim Bey: To escape
televisualization is to escape existence.
Consider the casualness with which historian, Ralph B. Levering in The
Cold War: 1945-1987 observes the following, much of which, many people would
deny had ever happened or would simply label as conspiracy theories:

the FBI, the CIA, and the Defense Department, in addition to or as
a byproduct of their normal functions, were secretly abusing the civil
liberties and threatening the health of numerous Americans and Canadians. The
FBI, for example, conducted continuing surveillance against civil rights
leader Martin Luther King, Jr., on the premise, never substantiated, that
"Communist influence" dominated his movement. Contrary to its charter,
the CIA also conducted extensive surveillance of individuals within the United
States, including members of Congress. Seeking to learn to control
behavior, the CIA conducted experiments with hallucinogenic drugs on
unsuspecting Americans, at least one of whom committed suicide while
unknowingly under the influence of LSD. Experimenting in bacteriological
warfare, the Navy in 1950 blanketed San Francisco for six days with a
bacteria known as serratia (which, it was discovered later, could cause a
fatal pneumonia). And the Army in 1953 conducted chemical warfare tests over
St. Louis, Minneapolis, and Winnipeg, Canada, dropping cadmium sulfide and
zinc in aerosol clouds.
Although Americans did not know everything the CIA was doing, the
attentive public, members of Congress, journalists, and of course leaders of
the administration knew that the CIA, under the president's direction, was
involved in overthrowing the government of Iran and restoring the Shah to
power in 1953, in overthrowing the government of Guatemala in 1954, and in
trying to overthrow the government of Cuba in 1961. Most people did not know
about serious CIA plotting in places like Laos, Indonesia, Syria, the Congo,
and British Guiana, but most probably would have acquiesced as they did in the
other three. And yet Americans almost certainly would have been infuriated to
the point of demanding war if a foreign government had been discovered trying
to overthrow the nation's government or assassinate its leaders.
Now how many people would accept all of these claims made by
Levering? I really don't know, but I would imagine many would question them by
asking: "Well, if that's true why haven't I heard more about it?" or "There's no
way a story like that wouldn't receive a lot of attention from the media. Do you
think they'd let that one slide? Look at what they did to Clinton." Still other
reactions might include acceptance, as in: "Well, I didn't know that

[CTRL] The roadblock


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http://www.yellowtimes.org/article.php?sid=541

''The roadblock''
Printed on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 @ 00:34:02 EDT

By Carol Schiffler
YellowTimes.org Guest Columnist (United States)

(YellowTimes.org) - They had stationed themselves just before the on-ramp,
and they were seriously impeding the forward progress of about a dozen
already harried commuters who were desperately trying to escape the sleepy,
cow-town of Lakeland, Florida.

Don't get me wrong - Lakeland looks like almost every other mid-sized
American city, from its gated communities to its garish strip malls. But it
is not so long ago that Lakeland was nothing more than a pasture, and the
heart of the city still beats to the lethargic and sultry pace of rural
Florida. Even on a good day, driving through Lakeland is an exercise in
teeth-gritting self control.

Today was not a good day, and the appearance of flashing lights and orange
cones poised at the very mouth of the interstate - so close that you could
see that swift-moving river of 70 m.p.h. traffic - did not make it any
better. Although I was east-bound, and the roadblock was only stopping
west-bound traffic, I winced in sympathy as car after car was pulled over,
and I empathized with the those who were already five minutes late, and ten
miles from their destination, as their fragile hopes of being on time were
dashed by the sudden appearance of an army of orange vests.

What were they up to? Had there been a crime? The young men in the orange
vests did not look anxious and did not appear to be armed, but they were
surrounded by squad cars. Surely they must be looking for something or
someone, yet I had listened to the local news radio station all the way to
Lakeland and had heard nothing about escaped convicts or west-bound
terrorists. Were there more roadblocks to be encountered, or was that the
only one?

My thoughts wandered to the First Amendment business cards in my purse, and
to the spiral-bound, eight- pocket, two hundred sheet notebook, (with a
durable long-life cover!), that lay on the car seat next to me. Idly I
wondered if they could arrest me for writing, George Bush is a fascist,
usurping, dangerously inbred, small-eyed, smirking son of a bitch, as that
is the central theme of most of my political commentary.

As it turned out, the roadblock, while decidedly Orwellian, was not erected
for the purpose of detaining rogue dissenters - not this time, anyway. It
was, as I later discovered, just some off-duty highway patrolmen helping the
Department of Transportation do a survey on the proposed high-speed transit
system, which is on the ballot for this year's November election. They claim
this stuff goes on all the time, all over the country. Really routine, if
you get right down to it - or so they say.

Given the fact that this was a week which culminated in the Sydney Morning
Herald headline, Foundations are in place for Martial Law in the U.S., a
little paranoia did not seem out of line. In fact, given the rest of the
week's headlines, my tinfoil hat is starting to look downright stylish.
Let's review:


* The terminally creepy Attorney General, John Ashcroft, took a break from
monitoring pedophiles, (a subject in which we believe he has more than a
passing interest), in order to unveil the TIPS program. Congress attempts to
block it, but the A.G., who last time I looked was not only not elected by
anyone, but who lost a popularity contest to a dead guy, decided that once
we all understood the value of providing a substantial portion of the
population with an outlet for unrestrained voyeurism, we will be behind him
one hundred percent. After all, we have already seen how well this policy
has worked for detaining rampaging paraplegics and large-breasted women in
airports.

* George Bush continues to lay plans for invading Iraq in what appears to be
the largest military action ever undertaken against the leader of a foreign
power because he said mean things about my Daddy.

* Alabama mobilizes a unit of tanks for no apparent reason, and the military
simultaneously announces plans to engage in a gargantuan experiment in
simulated response to the events involving weapons of mass destruction,
urban warfare, the United Nations, and humanitarian relief. (Regarding the
latter, we can only assume that this means blocking humanitarian relief,
and one wonders why they feel they need more practice after the war in
Afghanistan.)

* Time Magazine breaks the story that the Pentagon wonks are putting the
finishing touches on a whole arsenal of high tech toys designed to nauseate,
panic, stupefy, confuse, mangle, and entangle, while avoiding the messy
political scandal that always ensues when unarmed civilians bleed all over
their white picket fences on Elm Street. (For those of you who voted for the
current administration solely because of its stance on gun control, it
should now be apparent that the reason that they are allowing you to keep
Old Bessie is because they know

[CTRL] The USA-DEA cabal: an enemy of reason

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''The USA-DEA cabal: an enemy 
of reason'' Printed on Monday, July 08, 2002 @ 
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By Kaz DziamkaYellowTimes.org 
Guest Columnist (United States) 
(YellowTimes.org)  As every educated member of the genus Homo sapiens should 
know, hemp is the world's most important ecological resource - a virtual miracle 
plant, which, as a Popular Mechanics article pointed out in 1938, can be used to 
produce over 25,000 products. Industrial applications, which Rowan Robinson 
lists in The Great Book of Hemp, include textiles; cordage; construction 
products; paper and packaging; furniture; electrical and automotive 
applications; paints, sealants and cosmetics; plastics and polymers; lubricants 
and fuel; energy and biomass; compost; and food and feed.Hemp was 
cultivated for fiber and medicine in China as early as the 2800 BCE. Its 
cultivation spread from Central Asia, where it is indigenous, to Africa, 
Australasia, and the Americas. Evidence in the form of hemp clothing and skeins 
of hemp fiber found in the Death Mask Mound in Ohio shows that hemp was used in 
North American as early as 400 BCE. 
It is, of course, impossible here to discuss in some detail even the most 
important uses of hemp. But a brief summary, such as the one given in Robinson's 
study and Jack Herer's The Emperor Wears No Clothes, an underground bestseller, is a 
good way to start. Herer reminds us that from about the 5th century BCE to late 
19th century, 90 percent of all ships' sails were made from hemp. Hemp fiber is 
excellent for all kinds of cordage, used for centuries throughout the world. 
Until the 20th century, most paper as well as textiles and fabrics used for 
clothing, bed sheets and linens, rugs, drapes and so on were made from hemp. 
Hemp paper is much more durable than wood pulp paper, while rag paper (which 
contains hemp fiber) is "the highest quality and longest lasting paper ever 
made." The first draft of the Declaration of Independence was written on hemp 
paper, on which were also printed, among many others, the works of Thomas Paine, 
Mark Twain, Rabelais, Victor Huge, Lewis Carroll, and many others. 
An acre of hemp can deliver four times as much fiber as an acre of trees, 
hemp being environmentally very friendly. Drought resistant, it grows quickly 
and abundantly, requiring few if any pesticides. It chokes out weeds and leaves 
the soil clear for another cycle of cultivation. It is thus an ideal rotation 
crop. And it can even clean up polluted soil by drawing up heavy metals through 
its roots. 
Hempseed yields probably the best vegetable oil for human consumption because 
it is the highest of all plants in essential fatty acids, near-perfect for the 
human body. It is among the lowest in saturated fats at only 8 percent and 
contains 55 percent linoleic acid and 25 percent linolenic acid, the highest in 
total essential fatty acids. "Of the 3 million plus edible plants that grow on 
Earth," says Herer, "no other single plant source can compare with the 
nutritional value of hempseeds." 
Another very important potential use of hemp is that "on a global scale, [it] 
produces the most net biomass  and is the only annually renewable plant on 
Earth able to replace all fossil fuels." One acre of hemp is said to yield about 
1,000 gallons of methanol. As Herer reports, Henry Ford grew marijuana "possibly 
to prove the cheapness of methanol production. He made plastic cars with wheat 
straw, hemp and sisal." Producing hemp paper will help stop the senseless 
destruction of the few remaining ancient forests and restore an ecological 
balance between industrial needs and nature conservation. 
Added to this bewildering array of benefits of hemp cultivation and 
processing should be the impressive medical properties of hemp's close cousin, 
marijuana. Of little agricultural use, marijuana has nevertheless remarkable 
medicinal applications. It can reduce intraocular pressure (IOP) in glaucoma, 
lessen nausea and vomiting in cancer patients, and provide relief for those who 
suffer from asthma and migraine headaches. It can also be effective as an 
antiarthritic, antibiotic, anticonvulsant, antidepressant, and analgesic. 
Contrary to what the U.S. government and DEA spokespeople claim, marijuana is 
a relatively safe, non-addictive drug - no drug, legal or illegal, being 
entirely safe. According to World Almanacs, Life Insurance actuarial rates, and 
the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon General's reports (quoted in Herer), about 
400,000 people every year are killed by tobacco, 150,000 by alcohol, several 
thousand by caffeine. Even aspirin kills people, but there is no provable case 
of a single death due to marijuana use. 
Other important medical applications are known, but the point should be 
obvious: the industrial and medicinal potential of hemp and marijuana is nothing 
short of phenomenal. These plants are unquestionably among Nature's

[CTRL] All wars come down to the possession of wealth


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From http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/Thoreau080102/thoreau080102.html

Invading Iraq has little to do with War on Terrorism

By Jackson Thoreau
Online Journal Contributing Writer



All wars come down to the possession of wealth.Plato

August 1, 2002I have studied pacifism, but I'm not a pacifist. I try to practice 
Christianity,
but I don't always turn the other cheek. I don't own a gun, but I keep a baseball bat 
under
my bed, and if someone broke into my house with the intent of harming my family, you
better believe I'd use it.

I guess you could say I'm a realistic idealist.

So when it comes to this question that the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee is
tackling, whether we have the right to invade Iraq again, I do not approach this 
without
some heavy pondering, unlike the illegitimate one in the White House who displays 
little
signs of a conscience.

It's difficult to say which country has been ravaged more by war and economic woes in 
the
past decade, Afghanistan or Iraq. In the Persian Gulf War of 199091, when our bombs
destroyed many Iraqi civilian facilities, such as homes, schools, mosques, and 
hospitals,
more than 100,000 Iraqis died, along with 148 Americans. Since the United Nations
imposed economic sanctions on Iraq after it invaded Kuwait in 1990, more than one 
million
additional Iraqismany of them children under the age of fivehave died of sanctions-
related causes, such as amoebic dysentery and starvation.

Diseases could have been treated, and thus many lives saved, had relief workers with 
such
groups as the Red Cross, Voices in the Wilderness, and Veterans for Peace been able to
get basic medicines to these children. Meanwhile, companies like Halliburton can make
millions by selling Iraq oil equipment through European subsidiaries, somehow getting
around the sanctions. It's no coincidence that Halliburton did this when Dick Cheney 
headed
that Texas-based firm, as he is quite adept at getting around laws most of us have to 
live
by, such as the 12th Amendment to the Constitution.

Ramsey Clark, the former U.S. Attorney General, reported to the UN Security Council in
1997 that the number of Iraqi children under age five who died increased from about 
7,000
in 1989 to 57,000 in 1996. That number continued to rise to 78,000 dead in 1998, 
according
to the Iraq Resource Information Site.

Clark reported touring hospitals with bloated babies not expected to live a day, 
facilities
without clean water or air conditioning or enough basic supplies. While many people
blamed the harsh conditions on Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein for invading Kuwait and
ignoring the needs of many citizens, Clark called the situation a human disaster 
created by
the United Nations, a genocide intended to destroy a national, religious and ethnic 
group.

Compare Iraq, with its 2,000 tanks and several hundred aircraft, to our country, 
arguably
the most powerful, sophisticated military machine in known history. We spend about $396
billion a year on the militaryand that number is expected to increase substantially 
in the
coming years (at the height of the Cold War with the former Soviet Union, we spent 
about
$300 billion). The closest country in military spending is Russia at $60 billion 
annually,
according to the Center for Defense Information. Iraq spends a piddling $1.4 billion on
defense, less than Vietnam, Columbia, and Kuwait. Another country in that axis of 
evil
Bush wants us to fear so much, North Korea, spends even less at $1.3 billion. Iran, 
the third
evil country, is up there at $9.1 billion but still only ranks thirteenth in the 
world in military
spending (see www.cdi.org/issues/wme/ spendersFY03.html for a list of what other
countries spend).

Why are we supposed to fear a country that we outspend almost 300 times more on
defense? Is it because much of what we spend actually goes to defend the security of 
other
countries like Germany, or more accurately, the security of U.S.-owned multinational
corporations in those countries? Much of our defense dollars line already more than 
wealthy
pockets in our country. In keeping with the wave of fraudulent accounting in private
corporations, the Pentagon cannot properly account for $1.2 trillion in past 
transactions,
according to the U.S. Inspector General's office.

I'm all for combating terrorismClinton and Gore tried to get airport security beefed 
up
several years ago, but the Republican-led Congress said nobut this War on Terrorism 
is
simply an excuse and an opportunity for some fat cats to get fatter at the expense of 
the
rest of us, just as the Cold War was in earlier decades. It is the biggest welfare 
program
known to man, not to mention Bush's ticket to continue occupying an office he has no
business holding. We can spend $1 trillion a year on defense, and someone will still 
figure
out how to plant a bomb somewhere. The British learned that in dealing with the Irish
Republican Army, which confounded

[CTRL] The Saddam in Rumsfelds Closet


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From http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Published on Friday, August 2, 2002 by CommonDreams.org
The Saddam in Rumsfelds Closet
by Jeremy Scahill

Man and the turtle are very much alike. Neither makes any progress without sticking 
his
neck out.
Donald Rumsfeld

Five years before Saddam Husseins now infamous 1988 gassing of the Kurds, a key
meeting took place in Baghdad that would play a significant role in forging close ties
between Saddam Hussein and Washington. It happened at a time when Saddam was first
alleged to have used chemical weapons. The meeting in late December 1983 paved the
way for an official restoration of relations between Iraq and the US, which had been
severed since the 1967 Arab-Israeli war.

With the Iran-Iraq war escalating, President Ronald Reagan dispatched his Middle East
envoy, a former secretary of defense, to Baghdad with a hand-written letter to Iraqi
President Saddam Hussein and a message that Washington was willing at any moment to
resume diplomatic relations.

That envoy was Donald Rumsfeld.

Rumsfelds December 19-20, 1983 visit to Baghdad made him the highest-ranking US
official to visit Iraq in 6 years. He met Saddam and the two discussed topics of 
mutual
interest, according to the Iraqi Foreign Ministry. [Saddam] made it clear that Iraq 
was not
interested in making mischief in the world, Rumsfeld later told The New York Times. 
It
struck us as useful to have a relationship, given that we were interested in solving 
the
Mideast problems.

Just 12 days after the meeting, on January 1, 1984, The Washington Post reported that 
the
United States in a shift in policy, has informed friendly Persian Gulf nations that 
the defeat
of Iraq in the 3-year-old war with Iran would be contrary to U.S. interests and has 
made
several moves to prevent that result.

In March of 1984, with the Iran-Iraq war growing more brutal by the day, Rumsfeld was
back in Baghdad for meetings with then-Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz. On the day 
of his
visit, March 24th, UPI reported from the United Nations: Mustard gas laced with a 
nerve
agent has been used on Iranian soldiers in the 43-month Persian Gulf War between Iran
and Iraq, a team of U.N. experts has concluded... Meanwhile, in the Iraqi capital of
Baghdad, U.S. presidential envoy Donald Rumsfeld held talks with Foreign Minister Tarek
Aziz (sic) on the Gulf war before leaving for an unspecified destination.

The day before, the Iranian news agency alleged that Iraq launched another chemical
weapons assault on the southern battlefront, injuring 600 Iranian soldiers. Chemical
weapons in the form of aerial bombs have been used in the areas inspected in Iran by 
the
specialists, the U.N. report said. The types of chemical agents used were bis-(2-
chlorethyl)-sulfide, also known as mustard gas, and ethyl N, N-
dimethylphosphoroamidocyanidate, a nerve agent known as Tabun.

Prior to the release of the UN report, the US State Department on March 5th had issued 
a
statement saying available evidence indicates that Iraq has used lethal chemical 
weapons.

Commenting on the UN report, US Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick was quoted by The New
York Times as saying, We think that the use of chemical weapons is a very serious 
matter.
We've made that clear in general and particular.

Compared with the rhetoric emanating from the current administration, based on
speculations about what Saddam might have, Kirkpatricks reaction was hardly a call to
action.

Most glaring is that Donald Rumsfeld was in Iraq as the 1984 UN report was issued and 
said
nothing about the allegations of chemical weapons use, despite State Department
evidence. On the contrary, The New York Times reported from Baghdad on March 29,
1984, American diplomats pronounce themselves satisfied with relations between Iraq 
and
the United States and suggest that normal diplomatic ties have been restored in all but
name.

A month and a half later, in May 1984, Donald Rumsfeld resigned. In November of that
year, full diplomatic relations between Iraq and the US were fully restored. Two years 
later,
in an article about Rumsfelds aspirations to run for the 1988 Republican Presidential
nomination, the Chicago Tribune Magazine listed among Rumsfelds achievements helping
to reopen U.S. relations with Iraq. The Tribune failed to mention that this help 
came at a
time when, according to the US State Department, Iraq was actively using chemical
weapons.

Throughout the period that Rumsfeld was Reagans Middle East envoy, Iraq was 
frantically
purchasing hardware from American firms, empowered by the White House to sell. The
buying frenzy began immediately after Iraq was removed from the list of alleged 
sponsors
of terrorism in 1982. According to a February 13, 1991 Los Angeles Times article:

First on Hussein's shopping list was helicopters -- he bought 60 Hughes helicopters 
and
trainers with little notice. However, a second order

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Since 1980, the average pay of regular working people increased just 66 percent, while
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a major corporation made 42 times the average hourly worker's pay in 1980, 85 times in
1990 and a staggering 531 times in 2000. If runaway CEO pay growth continues at its
current exponential rate over the next 50 years, the average CEO will be paid more than
250,000 American workers. What would YOUR paycheck be like today if, for the past five
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[CTRL] Family Matters


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From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38104-2002Aug2.html

washingtonpost.com

In Tight Arkansas Senate Race, Family Matters

By Dale Russakoff
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 3, 2002; Page A01

ROGERS, Ark. -- In politics as in life in this smallest of southern states, everybody 
knows
everybody and his proverbial brother. Washington may know Tim Hutchinson as the most
vulnerable Republican in a narrowly divided Senate, but in political circles here, 
he's just
Tim, which also means he's Asa's brother, Jeremy's father and -- as everybody and his
brother now know -- Donna's ex-husband.

A Baptist minister, past winner of the Christian Coalition's Friend of the Family 
Award and
consistent antagonist of Bill Clinton as governor and president, Hutchinson in 1999 
divorced
his wife of 28 years to marry his considerably younger former legislative director, 
Randi
Fredholm. The news jolted his conservative Christian base, but in a race churning with
issues from abortion to Social Security to the balance of power in Washington, what
Hutchinson calls my failing is only one piece of the action.

Still, even minor factors loom large in a close race, and everyone, including 
Hutchinson,
agrees that he's in one with Democratic state Attorney General Mark Pryor, 39 -- or, as
most voters know him, David's son. That would be David Pryor, the state's most 
beloved
living politician, a populist with a surpassingly human touch. For 35 years, he was a 
U.S.
senator, governor, congressman or state legislator, and one journalist famously 
nicknamed
him Arkansas' unofficial pet rock.

Sometimes I feel like I'm running against Mark Pryor and David Pryor, said 
Hutchinson,
52, who won his Senate seat in 1996, when the elder Pryor, now 67, retired.

The text of this nationally watched campaign features familiar Republican and 
Democratic
sound bites on prescription drugs, education, corporate greed and terrorism. But the
subtext -- where many campaigns are fought and won -- features a distinctively local
conversation about families and values, and which ones are right for Arkansas.

Hutchinson is the first GOP senator here since Reconstruction, and both parties 
consider
him vulnerable, less for his divorce than for his strongly party-line voting record. 
The
majority- Democratic state chose a Republican governor, Mike Huckabee, in 1998 and
George W. Bush in 2000, but it is famous for rejecting ideologues of any stripe -- a
challenge for Hutchinson, whose voting record was ranked by National Journal as the
Senate's most conservative in 2000. (This year, he dropped to 27th.)

Money is gushing into the race from interest groups hoping to tip the Senate toward the
Democrats or Republicans, making it the state's costliest campaign. Bush has been here
twice and is expected again and again as the GOP tries to retake the Senate. However,
according to political scientist Art English of the University of Arkansas at Little 
Rock, this
proxy fight is like one battleship shooting at another. The race will be won on 
personal
campaigning. That's the Arkansas style.

Name Recognition

In Arkansas politics, family names are more influential than television ads, and the 
same
surname often appears on a ballot multiple times. For example, as Huckabee seeks
reelection this year, his wife, Janet, is running for secretary of state.

Mark Pryor represents the fifth generation of his family to hold public office (the 
first three
were sheriffs of Ouachita County). His father gave the name its man-of-the-people
reputation from early advocacy of civil rights to 1990s crusades against high 
prescription
drug prices.

Tim Hutchinson is a first-generation politician who made his name synonymous with a
conservative Christian agenda as a state legislator in the 1980s. (His son, Jeremy, is 
a state
representative.)

Tim Hutchinson championed home schooling and decried abortion, the decline of the 
family
and taxes in general. He fought then-Gov. Clinton, but their fates seemed intertwined.

Hutchinson was elected to Congress in 1992, when Clinton was elected president. When
Clinton was reelected, Hutchinson went to the Senate, succeeded by brother Asa, who
became a House manager of Clinton's impeachment trial and now heads the federal Drug
Enforcement Administration. A 1996 profile in the weekly Arkansas Times dubbed the duo
the Righteous Brothers.

Pryor never mentions Hutchinson's divorce and has instructed his pollster, Harrison
Hickman, not even to question voters about it. But longtime political observer and 
Arkansas
Times editor Max Brantley detects an unspoken message in the Democrat's TV ads.

One features Pryor, his wife, Jill, and their two children saying grace over dinner, 
and
Pryor, holding a Bible, saying, The most important lessons in life are in this book 
right
here. Another, portraying Pryor as a fiscal conservative, opens with his wife by his 
side.
She says playfully, I love my husband, but

[CTRL] First Fund, Now Sipple


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MORAL CRIPPLE LEADS G.O.P. MORALITY OFFENSIVE
Accused Domestic Abuser Don Sipple Keeps Pounding Away
Weirdo Praises Bushs Moral Authority
First Fund, Now Sipple  Yet Theres Hardly A Ripple

Readers of the Los Angeles Times were recently treated to an opinion page lecture from
G.O.P. strategy kingpin Don Sipple, praising George W. Bush for his moral authority 
and
advising Bush to use it in the current crisis over the American corporate crime wave.

Never mind about Harken Bushs complete lack of moral authority in these matters. Who 
is
Don Sipple  a man Arianna Huffington once described as a moral cripple  to be 
telling
anybody anything about morality?

Sipple, as Washington political observers know well, is a highly successful Republican
image-maker. He has worked in the past on the campaigns of George W. Bush, Robert
Dole, and John Ashcroft, among others. His specialty has been inventing the nasty 
modern
G.O.P. brand of character politics, promoting mediocre men with regressive politics 
while
trashing the personal reputations of their Democratic opponents.

But as all Washington also knows, Don Sipple is a poster-boy of G.O.P. hypocrisy  an
accused wife beater notorious for his intense rages and his vicious vindictiveness.

Sipples first wife, Regina, stayed married to him for five years, enduring, by her 
account,
numerous verbal and physical assaults. Once a stunning fashion model, she ended up
having to recover from various batterings, including one in 1977 that, she says, left 
her face
badly bruised.

Sipples second marriage, to Deborah Steelman, lasted less than four years. According 
to
court documents, Steelman testified that Sipple was a violent irrational man who 
physically
attacked her repeatedly, in public as well as in private, which led her finally to 
leave him.

When Mother Jones magazine reported on these matters, Sipple responded with a $12.6
million defamation suit against the magazine and its reporter, Richard Blow. Both of 
Sipples
ex-wives vouched for the accuracy of the article, and a California judge threw out 
Sipples
suit as a transparent and desperate effort to bully the press.

None of this has stopped G.O.P. candidates from hiring Sipple as their chief media 
adviser.
Earlier this year, Sipple worked for G.O.P. gubernatorial hopeful Richard Riordan, in
unsuccessful primary campaign that received strong backing from the Bush White House.

And now, heres Don Moral Cripple Sipple, spinning and doling out advice about 
morality
and character and about Dubyas vast resources of authority to the readers of the Los
Angeles Times!

MWO has sometimes wondered if Sipple the moral cripple has inspired false stories about
Democrats' private lives, including false stories about spousal abuse. Matt Drudge's
notorious smear of Sidney Blumenthal, reportedly abetted by John Restraining Order
Fund, mentioned Sipple by name as someone the press might want to lay off. Was the
smear simply part of Moral Cripple's earliest efforts to deflect the effects of the 
Mother
Jones article, which appeared at the same time as the Drudge smear?

But those questions now take a back seat now to two bigger questions.

First: Why is it that two of the G.O.P.'s loudest advocates of character and morality 
are a
pair of men, Sipple and Fund, with official histories of domestic violence and abuse?

Second: Is the press's attention span so reduced that it doesn't even remember who Don
Sipple was  and who he is?

Commentary; The Bully Pulpit Needs a Preacher
The Los Angeles Times; Jul 22, 2002 (Must purchase)
Don Sipple

With his popularity strong, President Bush is in a unique position. After all, he owes 
his
election in large part to Bill Clinton. In our amazing and enduring self-correcting 
democracy,
George W. Bush was the repenter who replaced the sinner. Thus, Bush's elevation to
the presidency had moral undertones. So who better to lead us out of our ethical-moral
quagmire?

Bone-Chilling: Mother Jones article, 1997

Surely, Regina thought, after hearing her stories of abuse, the judge would not give 
custody
of the boy to a man Evan didn't want to live with. She couldn't imagine a more 
explosive
combination.

Under Durley's questioning, she testified about the violence. Were you physically 
abused by
Don? Durley asked.

Yes, she said.
Did he, in addition to [hitting] you, did he push you, kick you, pull you?
All of the above.
Is that the reason you left Don and asked for the divorce?
Yes.

Durley submitted as evidence a photograph, dated April 1977 on the back, of Regina, her
face puffy and decorated with ugly black-and- blue bruises. ...

Regina's case looked strong when Debbie Steelman, a last-minute witness, arrived. Her
presence there was the result of a sad instinct; Regina had told Durley that if Don had
beaten her, he might well have done the same to Steelman. So Durley called Steelman,
who hesitantly admitted that she,

[CTRL] Suicide was Dear American Slaves

2002-08-04 Thread Tenorlove


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 Thus spoke Tenorlove on Sunday 04 August 2002 06:04:

  And if you survive, you are likely to get charged with a crime.

 Why that? (blackout of moi, sorry)

There are states in the US where it is illegal to attempt to commit
suicide. Here's an excerpt from a PRO-suicide site (take yer Maalox and
caveat lector, NOT ENDORSING):

http://www.satanservice.org/coe/suicide/faq.encouraging

(faq 13)  attempting suicide may be illegal, but this should make no
difference to those who are certain that it is our time to
die. you can't legislate against emotional pain, so making it
illegal will not stop people from feeling suicidal. it is
actually quite helpful in isolating the awakened, though it
should be noticed that, unfortunately, the vast majority of
attempts are unsuccessful, partially due to lack of basic
information and social antagonism toward this heroic act.

in some countries and states it is still illegal, in other
places it's not.  we recommend moving to those places where
attempted suicide is legal before proceeding with the act,
just in case you don't succeed. also be aware of the likely
repercussions of any kind of unsuccessful suicide attempt.
even though suicide itself is legal in the US, for example,
those who attempt it unsuccessfully may have many of their
liberties removed and may be drugged into conformity with
social norms by the psychiatric community (for 'observation').

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[CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Bus Bombing in Northern Israel Kills at Least 10

2002-08-04 Thread Tenor Love


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Bus Bombing in Northern Israel Kills at Least 10

August 4, 2002
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A suicide bomber blew up an Israeli bus today, killing at
least 10 people and wounding dozens. Hours later, a
shootout left three dead outside Jerusalem's Old City.

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Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Bus Bombing in Northern Israel Kills at Least...

2002-08-04 Thread William Shannon

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A suicide bomber blew up an Israeli bus today, killing at
least 10 people and wounding dozens. Hours later, a
shootout left three dead outside Jerusalem's Old City.

And apparently the bus was full of soldiers returning to the work of occupation...therefore a legitimate target.

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[CTRL] The Party's Over...

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http://www.marijuana.com/article.php?sid=4088mode=threadorder=0 




  
  
Contrast: 
  The Party's over...=Posted 
  by:xxdr_zombiexx.=Sunday, August 04 @ 04:20:03 MST 
  
  
 xxdr_zombiexx 
  submits "The corruption of both big business and the war on drugs has 
  been dragged kicking and screaming into the light of day for all to see. 
  xxdr_zombiexx8.2.2002Attorney General John 
  Ashcroft has announced there is a "nexus" 
  of drug traffikers and terrorist organizations. "Suprise! Suprise! 
  Suprise!", said a famous miltary leader once upon a time.I am here 
  to say we have all seen the "nexus" of corrupt govenment and 
  corrupt big business and how the war on drugs is a huge lie maintained 
  to protect some of these same companies as well as generate profits for 
  drug traffickers.The main players - corporate CEO's, the bulk of 
  the GOP, along with several big Dems (it's been something of a bi-partisan 
  effort) - are all seen in bed together making legislation to enrich 
  themselves by looting the American worker, and in doing so, inadvertently 
  killing investor confidence, and setting our recession into motion. 
  Meanwhile other politicians are trying to create all sorts of legislation 
  abridging and limiting the rights of the little person under the Banner of 
  the War on Drugs. The government's problems are multi-fold: 
  
the War on Drugs under Team Bush is fronted by people with no 
credibilty, 
The War on Terror is fronted by bickering titans and plagued with 
"varying degrees of success" dependiing on who is talking. 
The incessant 
back and forth on attacking 
Iraq further undermines confidence. 
The War on Corporate Fraud will be exposing the mega-scam of 
Halliburton / Enron / Harken / Cheney / Arthur Anderson at the point the 
SEC starts the Halliburton Investigation. 
Add the ONDCP/Olgilvey-Mather advertising cost-overrun scam and 

an amazing 
story by Mike Ruppert and we are back in the midst of the 
  War on Drugs, but on a questionable side.Oh... and Team Bush spent 
  $13.8 million dollars on the Florida recount effort, 4 times what the Gore 
  Team did. Much of that money came in "large donations". Care to guess 
  where from? Yep. Enron 
  and Halliburton. This pretty much shows the paper work on 
  buying out the system. The scandal where Cheney has refused to part with 
  the list of those involved at the White House Energy Task Force summit 
  loom huge at this point, and Cheneys protest of the need for "executive 
  privelegde" just looks more and more like a criminal using any means 
  necessary to complete his objectives.Meanwhile, outside the United 
  States, those progressive Europeans have been relaxing cannabis laws. Asa 
  Hutchinson , John Walters and ex-Drug Czar Barry McCaffery were out and 
  about, and showing up in the media. They are concerned that people, 
  especially young people , get confused. These policy changes in other 
  countries cause "rumblings" here...makes people want to talk about 
  changing our policies.Walters went to Canada, England and the 
  Netherlands to tell them that marijuana is a dangerous and addictive drug 
  with no medical uses known, and moves to ease stiff intolerance would be 
  greatly frowned upon, but they are free to run their governments they way 
  they like. (Hint, Hint...) His evil henchman, Robert Maginnis has implied 
  a trade war with Canada if they legalize marijuana.Having rested 
  up from laying siege to cannabis clubs in California earlier this year, 
  Asa Hutchinson has been on tour in America, "educating" Hollywood 
  producers about Terrorism and "drugs" and rolling up the sleeves on his 
  very fine shirts and "fighting methamphetamine labs". Both he and 
  McCaffery have decided to appear on televison programs: the smartest 
  programs on mainstream TV. Neither of these gentleman got the free and 
  easy ride to which they are accustomed: the repercussions are just now 
  being assessed.Hutchinson appeared on both CNN Crossfire 
  and on MSNBC's Donahue discussing failure of the drug war. Barry 
  McCaffery appeared on an hourlong Donahue about 
  legalizing marijuana outright. The three of them made appearences in John 
  Stossel's "War 
  on Drugs, War on Ourselves" progam on ABC July 30th.The 
  "reality gap" - the difference in how "the poeple" see a thing and how 
  "the governement" sees the same thing is awesome. McCaffery protested that 
  Donahues program, which ate him alive, politlely, was terribly 
  "unbalanced". Robert 
  Wiener's review of Stossel's program is a nice "encore performance" of 
  the

Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Bus Bombing in Northern Israel Kills at Least...

2002-08-04 Thread Tenorlove


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In that case, bombing that Hamas terrorist's apartment complex was also
a legitimate military target.

--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And apparently the bus was full of soldiers returning to the work of
 occupation...therefore a legitimate target.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [narconews] Spotlight on Vancouver: Bustos on Beating the Narco-Warriors

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August 4, 2002
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Narco News has reported extensively on the social movements South of the
U.S. border that challenge Washington's imposed war on drugs and in the
coming days we will bring you more reports, including from Andean Bureau
Chief Luis Gómez, who is on the scene in La Paz, Bolivia as, for the first
time, a significant bloc of indigenous leaders takes their seats in the
national Congress.

Meanwhile, North of the Border, in Vancouver, Canada, innovative grassroots
organizing strategies by drug policy reformers are, likewise, dismantling
the undemocratic policy of drug prohibition.

In a special report, Narco News Canadian correspondent Alejandro Bustos
interviews some of the key movers and shakers who are achieving fast success
on Canada's West Coast. Today we publish Spotlight on Vancouver: A Crash
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Narco-Warriors: Come out with your hands up! You are surrounded from the
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Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

2002-08-04 Thread Mark McHugh


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iNFoWaRZ wrote:

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 At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
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 Quite simple really -
 
 Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
 
 Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
 freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
 --

 ?
 The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
 The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
 They have you both ways.
 If you are decadent, you are a slave.
 And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.

 Take your body back?
 Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and screwing 
your neighbors.
 More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the state.


Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
filters.  If you follow rigid Judeo-Christian cant, are you not as
easily controlled?  As thew recommends, Think For Yourself.

--
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THE WAR CONSPIRACY

Peter Dale Scott - Interview Transcript

Stephen Marshall: Hello Peter. I guess I wanted to start off by turning to
some of the work you have done, some of the analysis of U.S. policy and what
you have described as 'deep politics' and 'para-politics' in your books. One
of the things that I feel many people, specifically young people, are
lacking in their approach to understanding what is happening right now is a
good historical context. So let's start with that.

Peter Dale Scott: Alright.

On many of the forums and chat rooms around the web, people are referring to
the current course of action (in the War on Terrorism) and what the U.S.
government is going to do. And they think of the government as one
singular, monolithic entity. But in your books Cocaine Politics and Deep
Politics you describe a government that is not a unified organization.
Rather, that it is one of factions and interests who don't always operate
from the same agenda. Can you describe how we should be looking at the
government right now? Is it a monolithic entity being run by the President
or is it a group of factions working with different objectives and agendas?


Well, I think that particularly in a country like the United States, which
has such diverse elements in it, you are going to see those diverse elements
reflected inside the government. There are a lot of tensions. One is, for
example, whether America should try to live as a partner in a world with
many other, different cultures and states within it or whether America
should assert its supremacy. And even in that second camp, there is tension
between the people who believe the military and the use of force is the
answer to problems versus the people who believe in political understanding
of other cultures and states and who advocate a more political and
diplomatic approach.


This is very much being debated at this moment in Washington.


Right. Now you are a person who finds the origins of their work as an FOIA
activist and critical thinker back in the era of the Vietnam War. Maybe even
before then but, let me ask you, as a person who has witnessed the various
stages of the post-WW II evolution of the U.S. as the dominant global
military power, where would you place this recent event on that timeline? Is
it even linked to that timeline? Where does it emanate from


Well, I think that the best way to place what is happening right now in
perspective is to see it as fall-out from the Cold War. Back in the 1950's
first in 1950 and then, again, in 1954, America - rightly or wrongly, I
think wrongly - decided they were dealing with an implacable and absolutely
unscrupulous enemy and actually decreed on paper, in internal documents,
that the United States should be equally unscrupulous in fighting back. And
that was the beginning of the (U.S.) cultivation of terrorism.


We trained the Cuban exiles against Castro, we trained the Contras in
Nicaragua and most relevant to this new crisis, we trained a lot of Afghans
in terrorism taught them how to commit sabotage and to plant bombs and blow
things up. And now some of those people are fighting back against us.
Coordinating terrorist activities against the United States.


So, when you look at the people who make up Bush's cabinet and various
military advisors, what can we expect to be the dominant or, maybe I should
say, policy response to the attacks?


Well I think its not just the heads in the Cabinet that matter, its the
bureaucracy. And there will be a State Department faction that will say we
need to understand the Middle East

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Taliban Prisoner Alleges Torture in US-Run Prison

TALIBAN PRISONER ALLEGES TORTURE IN US-RUN PRISON
Torture, sexual abuse and stark conditions prevail at a US-run military jail
in southern Afghanistan, according to an ex-prisoner. The jail, near a US
airbase outside Khandahar, employs Afghan guards. The prisoner, former
Taliban commander Mullah Fazal Mohammad, did not say whether or not US
military officers based near the jail knew about the torture or poor
conditions. The Taliban prisoners are facing extreme torture, Mohammed
said. Ferocious dogs are often let loose in the prison cells by Afghan
agents who use third degree methods... In a bid to humiliate them, the local
secret service agents subject them to sexual abuse and inflict injuries to
their private parts. Mohammed was released due to ill health, and was being
treated by a doctor in the Pakistani border town of Chaman. Mohammed, now
part blind, further alleges that most prisoners are afflicted with eye
diseases, and are hungry, served only one meal a day--consisting only of
stale bread. Mohammed claims prisoners at the jail include ex-Taliban
Foreign Minister Wakil Ahmed Mutawakil, his spokesman Abdul Hai Mutmaen,
former governor of western Heart province Maulawi Khairullah Khairkhawa, as
well as other former Afghan officials.

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[CTRL] Incentives and Motivation

2002-08-04 Thread M.A. Johnson


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~~for educational purposes only~~
[Title 17 U.S.C. section 107]

Incentives and Motivation
by Brad Edmonds

It sounds pedestrian, but one way to gain insight into
people's behavior is to ask what the motivation could be
for the behavior you're observing. This is more than a
curiosity, or even a truism relevant only for obscure
psychological research; examining the motivation of
others can help you make important decisions, and
thereby affect your own outcomes.

As noted by a home schooled student recently, one of the
reasons home schooled children are better educated and
socialized than government- or private-schooled students
is that parents are motivated only by the well-being of
their children. By contrast, public school teachers are
union members and government employees; both groups
produce distorted incentives for members, primarily in
that member loyalty is not to the constituency served. Put
another way, if government teachers are loyal to their
unions, they are better off financially; what is good for the
students is irrelevant (or worse  a population deliberately
made ignorant is more likely to continue voting for
increased funding for government schools). Further, that
they work for the government means teachers can
continue to demand funding and perquisites regardless of
the quality of their service.

Private school teachers are much less beset by such
conflicts, but private schools usually still have to please
the government, by hiring government-certified teachers
and by submitting curricula for government approval.
(Private schools suffer in other ways compared to home
schools: A class with 20 students will exert pressure on
the teacher to orient himself toward the lowest common
denominator; and since a private school must satisfy the
largest number of parents, Alan's parents might have to
accept for Alan what the parents of Barbara and Charles
want for Barbara and Charles.)

Our heroes in Congress, while they claim they are rushing
to rescue us from evil CEOs, are motivated only to win
votes  a concern independent of solving financial
reporting problems. Votes are won by politicos' acting
publicly as though they are solving problems. In reality, in
their ignorance they are worsening current financial
reporting problems by writing new laws that will have
unintended consequences of their own. (Even worse is
the near certainty that some Congressmen realize that
more laws will deepen the problems, but that the true
cause-effect relation will escape the awareness of the
public; they know that future outcries arising from the
new problems will have Congress making new laws that
take still more freedom from us while giving still more
power to government.)

People are not automatons, and incentives such as job
security, money, power, and recognition are not the only
things that motivate us. In many  not all  law schools,
first-year students leave dissatisfied when they learn that
justice is ignored while the law as considered a tool to be
used to win settlements. Regardless what
government-fostered short-term incentives they face,
most CEOs are interested in the long-term outlook for
their company, most have used their rank to ensure that
honest financial statements are produced, and most
would be honest in the absence of government attempts
to make them so. And many individuals not only behave
honestly in business, but even tithe. People are more
complicated than simple punishment/reward schemes
make them out to be.

That being said, incentives can be viewed another way:
Whenever a large population is offered an incentive for
doing something, there will be takers. If the government
offers a monthly check to teenaged girls, even if the catch
is that they have to have a baby and no job prospects,
and even though most teenaged girls will recognize that it
is a raw deal, there will be girls lined up at the government
office, infant in hand, to begin receiving their checks. If
Congressmen offer the prospect of legislation that favors
businesses who forward campaign contributions, they'll
have plenty of campaign contributions. If Congressmen
are promised votes from Midwestern states for
supporting legislation that amounts to direct transfer
payments from the rest of us to farmers, along with higher
prices for food (indirect transfer payments),
Congressmen will weigh the votes they'll gain and lose,
and make their decisions, without regard to the effect on
the economy or individual families.

The tangible incentives we face are just a subset of the
varied things that motivate us. They don't explain
behavior to the extent that it is easy to predict what any
individual will do, except in those cases where there is an
exceptionally strong incentive at stake and there are no
counterbalancing disincentives. But applied to a
population, incentives reliably tell you what to expect on a
larger scale. They help explain the inefficiency of
government and the effectiveness of the private sector.

[CTRL] The Value of a Dead Afghan: Revealed and Relative


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The Value of a Dead Afghan: Revealed and Relative

by Marc W. Herold
Departments of Economics and Women's Studies
Whittemore School of Business  Economics
University of New Hampshire

POSTED JULY 21, 2002 --

On May 7, 1999, a U.S. B-52 bomber dropped three JDAM bombs upon the Chinese
Embassy in Belgrade. Three young Chinese journalists were killed and 27
other persons in the embassy were wounded. Four months later, the United
States agreed to pay $4.5 million in damages to the families of the deceased
and to the injured. This amounts to about $150,000 per victim. When a U.S.
marine jet hit aerial tramway cables in Italy not too long ago, the U.S.
gave close to $2 million to each Italian victim.

On July 1, 2002, a U.S. AC-130 gunship attacked and strafed four villages in
the Deh Rawud district of Uruzagan, killing more than 60 innocent Afghans
and wounding about 120 others.1 The American troops which occupied the
villages offered tents and blankets as compensation. A week later, the
U.S.-installed and backed Karzai regime offered the Afghan wedding victims
$18,500 in compensation, or about $100 per victim -- the payments were $200
on behalf of each individual killed and $75 for each wounded person, using
Afghan regime figures of 48 killed and 118 wounded.2 Note might be taken
that the wedding party victims were Pashtuns [from the same ethno-linguistic
group as Karzai, though Karzai does not speak Pashto]. What does seem
certain is that the villagers of Uruzgan will now receive a permanent U.S.
Special Forces base in their area (as compensation) and the compliant U.S.
mainstream media spins this as a way of better protecting innocent Afghans
from U.S. firepower.

I agree fully with those who argue that attaching a monetary value to a life
is an immoral and sordid endeavor and this essay in no way should be
interpreted as support for such efforts. I merely wish to show that by the
extremely conservative standards of mainstream economics -- and many in
Karzai's closest entourage are well-versed in such thinking having been
employees of the World Bank and other pillars of international
capitalism3 -- the compensation offered by the Karzai regime is paltry and
insulting, even far below what should be given using the discounted future
earnings approach.

Other figures for compensation have been put forth, for example Global
Exchange argues for $10,000 for each family which lost kin -- a very modest
amount of about one-fifteenth of that paid the Chinese victims in Belgrade.

By Karzai's accounting standards, the life of a dead Afghan is 'worth' only
one-seven hundredth of that of a dead Chinese, one-ten thousandth of a dead
Italian and one-thirty thousandth of a dead American -- if her/his life is
'worth' $6,000,000 on average, as the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
has calculated.

The point is sometimes made that cross-country comparisons of monetary
values should be made in purchasing power parity (PPP) terms.4 To do this in
the Afghan case -- that is to make $18,500 in Afghanistan match an
equivalent dollar amount in terms of purchasing power in the United States,
would amount to about multiplying the $18,500 figure by five. But in
fairness, then we should also translate into U.S. terms the numbers of
Afghan civilian deaths from bombing -- estimated at 3,100- 3,600, or in U.S.
terms, given a U.S. population 10 times as large, 31,000 - 36,000.

Economists, lawyers and moral philosophers have struggled to assess the
'value of life.' I shall dwell on the attempts by mainstream economists to
do this and apply such reasoning insofar as is possible to Afghanistan.
Naturally, mainstream economists seek to determine a 'fair' monetary value.
Different approaches have been advanced. Recent work argues that the
calculation of the value of human life should begin by asking individuals
how much they would be willing to extend their life for a finite period of
time. This allegedly circumvents the impossible question of evaluating
possible death in monetary terms, and rather asking a person to assess the
utility of additional years of life which she/he does know. According to a
model of Allan Feldman, the amount people are willing to pay to extend their
life for a fixed period of time is then roughly equivalent to what the
person would spend on personal consumption during that time [note the
powerful Western bias here which privileges consumption as the end-all of
living].5 Another approach calculates the value of a human life by examining
how much an individual is willing to pay to reduce the risk of death by say
a certain specified percentage.

The dominant 'model' in practice, however, remains not the neoclassical
economists' 'willingness to pay' perspective, but rather the simple old
discounted future earnings model which focuses upon human beings as a
machine generating a stream of income into the future. What could the
deceased have earned?

Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

2002-08-04 Thread iNFoWaRZ


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At 11:05 AM 8/4/02 , you wrote:
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iNFoWaRZ wrote:
 
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  At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
  -Caveat Lector-
  
  Quite simple really -
  
  Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
  
  Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
  freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
  --
 
  ?
  The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
  The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
  They have you both ways.
  If you are decadent, you are a slave.
  And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.
 
  Take your body back?
  Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and 
screwing your neighbors.
  More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the 
state.

--


Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
filters.
´´
Mark McHugh


Great then you won't mind if I have sex with your wife, Kill your dog and eat it, and 
steal your kids and sell them to some homo pornographers.
I just love subjectiveness.
And if you don't like it, tough.
Re-adjust your mental filters.
Who are you to tell me what is decadent or not?
Get the picture?

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[CTRL] Tony Blair: a Traitor to the UK


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It must be a hard fact for the British to face that own their Prime
Minister Tony Blair is a traitor to their country, a puppet obeying
a foreign US commander, ignoring the UK Parliament and the British
public.

This is part of the US military operation Puppet Master, repeated all
over the world. In essence: Get the leaders, the lambs will follow. (Or
should I say, leading the Bulls, leading the other Bulls.. At the moment
Ariel Sharon seems to be the one pulling all the strings..)


http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=319977

...

Here in Britain, the Prime Minister infuriated MPs by telling them that he
would not necessarily recall Parliament before joining a US-led military
assault. He then tried to reassure the rest of us by saying that no decision
on military action had been taken and that any such operation, if indeed it
happened, was some time away. There followed predictable squawks of protest
from predictable quarters about everything from the humiliation of pandering
to Washington to the dangers of desert warfare.

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[CTRL] Iraq: Why the West Keeps Going Back


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Iraq: Why the West Keeps Going Back
by Brendan O'Neill
August 3, 2002

What is the real reason that America and Britain are threatening to bomb
Iraq?

Forget all the talk about weapons of mass destruction (even US officials are
having trouble believing that one); or the ridiculous idea that Saddam is a
threat to the Western world (all the evidence suggests that post-Gulf War
and sanctions he is weaker than ever).

And get over the nonsense about Western leaders being concerned about Iraqi
people's human rights (if they were, they wouldn't have bombed them back to
the Stone Age in 1991  and it's funny how the West only cares about the
Kurds when they're being attacked by Iraq, but couldn't give two squats
about them when they're being attacked by Turkey).

Behind the bull, why is the West really going back to Iraq yet again? The
mistake most people make is to look for an answer to that question in the
Gulf itself  but you won't find it there. To discover why Iraq has been an
international priority for the past 10 years you need look no further than
London and Washington.

Since the Gulf War, UK and US forces have launched air raid after air raid
on Iraq, and issued threat after threat against Saddam, in what seems like a
war without end. In January 1991 they bombed Iraq to 'protect Kuwaitis'; in
June 1993 US forces bombed Baghdad in retaliation for a supposed plot to
assassinate Bush senior; in December 1998 the bombs were an attempt to
destroy Iraq's non-existent nuclear weapons programme. In February 2001 the
West attacked to enforce the 'no-fly zones' and teach Saddam some
international etiquette. Now the West is planning another assault.

But who really believes the Gulf crisis is about no-fly zones, nuclear
weapons, or anything that is happening in Iraq? If so, you couldn't be more
wrong. These ongoing, neverending ventures against a weakened and
beleaguered state are primarily about making the UK and USA look like the
tough guys of international politics.

For the West, the motto seems to be: Want to make a statement? Bomb Baghdad!
Losing control at home? Bomb Baghdad! Can't find bin Laden? Bomb Baghdad!

This is why the conflict with Iraq has lasted so long  because it is the
one place in which American and British leaders can assert some political
and moral authority when all else fails. And if they fail to find any
weapons, they'll just change the charge against Saddam to being about the
no-fly zones or human rights or his actions against the Kurds  anything, as
long as they have a premise on which to bomb in times of need.

The goalposts in relation to the Gulf keep shifting, because the ability to
kick up a crisis over weapons of mass destruction or no-fly zones allows the
UK and the USA to turn to the Gulf whenever they need to look impressive in
front of the rest of the world. The Gulf crisis drags on, not because Saddam
continues to flaunt the rules, but because it suits the UK and US
governments.

Yet if such posturing has a short-term benefit for Bush and Blair, it also
has its problems. There may not be much serious opposition to the latest
planned attack, but nor is there much enthusiasm for it. A small and
declining majority of American people support invading Iraq, but there is
hardly the all-out war fever there was in 1991. And in the Middle East
itself, almost every state has rejected America's planned invasion, making
clear that the last thing they want is Gulf War Take Two.

Iraq will be an issue as long as America and Britain need it to be an issue.
If Saddam didn't exist, Bush and Blair would have to invent him. In the
meantime, they have clearly decided that Iraqi lives and bloodshed are a
price well worth paying for their international image.

Brendan O'Neill is a London-based journalist and assistant editor of spiked.
He founded and teaches the online journalism course at the Surrey Institute
of Art and Design.

Visit his website.
http://www.antiwar.com/rep/oneill1.html

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[CTRL] Usama bin Laden tape: Another fraudulent translation by US


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http://www.inin.net/3binladentape

Usama bin Laden tape: ANOTHER FRAUDULENT TRANSLATION

NEW! Latest breaking...

Guys, we are Arabic translators and the words of OBL in the US Gov tape
and what is being written are not accurate. The use of We asked We
expected and We calculated are in fact not the words used as he
actually says They asked They said They calculated.these are the
words of a spectator not a MASTERMIND!!
and...

The Bin Ladin video tape finally released by the Pentagon turned out to
only prove four things:

1-That the audio quality of Bin Ladins voice was the worst of those
talking on the video (?)

2-The sound was so bad that the Arabic grammer could be heard either way
i.e. we did, we said, could also be heard as they did, they said etc.
Which mean the difference between a person being a spectator or a
mastermind.

3-Bin Ladin must be exceedingly stupid to admit in an open dinner party
(this while the US air force and special forces are carpet bombing the
entire country) and with kids and guests all over the place that he
planned and carried out the WTC attacks while previousely declaring to the
World he had nothing to do with it.

4-If he is that stupid then there is no way a person of that level of
intelligence could have pulled of the sophisticated operation Washington
claims he did from the caves of Afghanistan!

and...

1. Bin Laden mumbles. His voice is barely audible.

2. His alleged comments are taken out of context. Notice how lenghty
conversations are reduced to just a few sentences of translated script.

3. The translators were hired by the US government.

4. Even if the translations are generally accurate, Bin Laden's comments
can just as easily apply to someone who had no knowledge of the attacks as
they could to someone who plannned them.

5. Bin Laden is alleged to have said he learned that the attacks were
going to happen on the previous Thursday. How can someone who
masterminded 9-11 only have learned about them 5 days in advance?

6. Bin Laden is alleged to have talked about expecting the iron-ore to
melt. He must be quite a psychic because the actual designers of the WTC
didnt even expect a collapse to happen. When Bin Laden speaks about what
he calculated would happen, it could easily mean what he expected to
happen after hearing of the first strike.

7. CNN was interviewing an Arab professor shortly after it showed the
tape. The professor said that Bin Laden's voice was so inaudible that the
tape is not conclusive. CNN then stopped speaking to him and he was cut
off!

see online: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

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Re: [CTRL] Dear American Slaves

2002-08-04 Thread Mark McHugh


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iNFoWaRZ wrote:

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 At 11:05 AM 8/4/02 , you wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-
 
 iNFoWaRZ wrote:
  
   -Caveat Lector-
  
   At 10:45 PM 8/3/02 , you wrote:
   -Caveat Lector-
   
   Quite simple really -
   
   Retake the ownership of your body back from the state.
   
   Anti-abortion, anti-drug, anti-prostitution, anti-suicide, anti-sexual
   freedom laws, tc, are simply state sponsored slavery.
   --
  
   ?
   The state wants the people decadent.  Decadent people are compromised and 
extremely easy to control.  The state loves the fact that the people are aborting 
children, prostituting, committing suicide, taking *government* trafficked drugs, and 
screwing and backstabbing each other.
   The Laws against these things are a facade of the state.
   They have you both ways.
   If you are decadent, you are a slave.
   And if that fails then they can also prosecute you under their myriad of laws.
  
   Take your body back?
   Take it back by NOT aborting, using government drugs, killing yourself, and 
screwing your neighbors.
   More important than taking your body back is taking your mind back from the 
state.

 --

 Decadence is such a subjective concept, dependent on one's own mental
 filters.
 ´´
 Mark McHugh

 Great then you won't mind if I have sex with your wife, Kill your dog and eat it, 
and steal your kids and sell them to some homo pornographers.
 I just love subjectiveness.
 And if you don't like it, tough.
 Re-adjust your mental filters.
 Who are you to tell me what is decadent or not?
 Get the picture?


Ja, I get the picture.  You've been programmed to believe that freedom
of thought is anarchy and that freethinkers are defenseless pacifists.

Aren't you going to address my question:  If you follow rigid
Judeo-Christian cant, are you not as
easily controlled?

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[CTRL] Taliban Prisoner Alleges Torture in US-Run Prisons