Re: [CTRL] "Serb Terrorists" Attack School?
-Caveat Lector- At 02:59 PM 4/20/99 -0500, Brian Redman wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >Black trenchcoats? Grenade launcher? This sounds like >more than the average Manchurian candidate set loose. >Will the gunmen turn out to be "Serb terrorists"? More likely they're the teen-age sons of staunch NRA members. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Cognitive Dissonance: Mindcontrol vs Lewinsky
-Caveat Lector- >From Nexus Magazine: >Beta was the sexual servicing part of me. They >also sometimes called the alter state 'Barbie'. It was supposed to be named >after Klaus Barbie." Like Barbie doll? >Survivors Cathy O'Brien and Brice Taylor were also subjected to Beta, or >sex-slave, programming. They, like actress Marilyn Monroe, were called >"presidential models", mind-controlled slaves for the use of high-level >politicians. Why does Clinton need blow jobs from "the portly pepperpot" (Lewinsky) if there are NWO sex slaves to do his bidding? Che "Every fart has some kind of smell, and we cannot say that all Soviet farts smell sweet." - Mao Tse-tung to the Supreme Soviet, 1956 DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Templar Revelation
-Caveat Lector- At 11:35 AM 4/5/99 EDT, someone wrote: >You must look for clues in movies too: note that the actor >Roger Moore plays, in movie The Saint, Simon TEMPLAR, and in movie The >Persuaders Lord SINCLAIR. And don't forget the 1st captain of Babylon 5 was Jeffrey SINCLAIR, and more importantly the object of Robin William's affections in The Fisher King (there's a hint!) was Lydia SINCLAIR!!! The Sinclairs, the conspirators, are everywhere! Che Just kidding. Really. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: 666
-Caveat Lector- >From: Williams Institute <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Oh yes, three sets of information comprised of 6 bits? I guess that adds up >>to "666". I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I may have to come >to >>terms with my innate scepticism of religion and start going to church again. >>Time to stock up on food, precious metals, and ammo, if you haven't already! Let's see, 6 bits is 2^6 or 64 possibilities per data field. 64x64x64 = 262144 total possibilities - not a whole lot. Sounds like this guy should blow off church and take some remedial math classes! Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CTRL Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- At 04:44 PM 2/10/99 -0500, Frank Newsom wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >This list is a really fine group of conspiracy folk. Can't even find the >one right under their own noses. There was once a time when you could only >post 4 times a day. There were many more "factual" posts and less >discussion. Many of the older members are no longer here or post much less >frequently. Threads of pure drivel go on forever. There was discussion of >splitting the list into one for "serious researchers" by invitation only and >then there are the rest of us. Nitwits. If you use Eudora or another email client that supports filtering, you could do what I do - every Subject line that has "Re: [CTRL]" in it goes straight to the trash. If for some strange reason I actually want to read what passes for "discussion", I can retrieve it from the Trash, which I purge once a week. I've been doing this for a few weeks now, and it has improved my attitude towards this list considerably. Try it, you may like it. Note: you can also use this to delete "factual" posts from irritating sources by searching for their names in the header. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Two VERY SERIOUS Articles Re The POWER GRID: MUST READS!
-Caveat Lector- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Across the board, the project managers have started late, if at all, on the >Y2k problem. The utility industry is outrageously, poorly managed. We all know >how to count to 2000, yet the utility industry has abandoned Y2K compliancy, >and are instead going for Y2K readiness. (see the latest North American >Reliability Council (NERC) Y2K report > >According to page 25 in the NERC report: >"Y2K Ready means a system or component has been determined to be suitable >for continued use into the Year 2000. Note that this is not necessarily the >same as Y2K Compliant, which implies fully correct date manipulations. >Consistent with practices across other industries, the NERC assessment process >has adopted the term Y2K Ready and does not use the term Y2K Compliant." This seems very sensible - it's much more cost-effective and achieves the desired results, i.e. continued operation on 01/01/00. >In the testing of two coal-fire power plants (which were currently offline and >being used as "hot spares") for year 2000 compliance, the clocks were >simultaneously rolled over to the year 2000, causing immediate plant failure. So, to make the power plant "Y2K Ready", you roll the clocks over to the year 1980, or whatever date it is that keeps everything working for the longest time, so that you can repair or replace the non-compliant equipment. The only difference between "Y2K Ready" and "Y2K Compliant" is that the clocks read wrong for the former. This doesn't really matter, since in industrial processes relative time is important, not absolute time. You'll see wrong dates in the logs & such, but that's just an annoyance. Everything works - that's all that matters. >The discussions that took place in the meetings really scared the hell >out of me. Why? It makes perfect sense to me. Che >When does the next millenium begin? Since a millennium is 1000 years, the first millennium began at the start of the year 1 and ended at the end of the year 1000. The second millennium then began with the year 1001 and will conclude at the end of the year 2000. Therefore, the next millennium begins with the year 2001. from: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Time and Frequency FAQ - http://www.bldrdoc.gov/timefreq/faq/faq.htm DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- At 08:16 PM 1/5/99 EST, Gerald Harp wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >In a message dated 1/5/99 2:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes: > >> > >> > CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. >> > > >This single line for capitalism which makes it sound like a right smart system >while the alternatives are described with multiple sentences and none too >flatteringly is not well balanced. I don't know what the right add-on should >be but as it is, Here's my take: CAPITALISM (PURE & UNBRIDLED): You have two cows. You would like to sell one and buy a bull, but your neighbor owns all the bulls and isn't selling. Your neighbor keeps enlarging his herd, forcing the price of milk down until you're forced to sell your cows to your neighbor. Then the price of milk is raised and your only choice is to go to work for your neighbor for substinence wages. Eventually you find yourself living in a shack that your neighbor owns, shopping in a store your neighbor owns, and in debt up to your ears to your neighbor. If you think this is feudalism, remember that you're free to leave, as long as you pay your debts. CAPITALISM (AMERICAN STYLE): You have two cows. You fill out lots of paperwork and go in debt to buy the equipment you need to receive USDA certification. You can only sell milk at a price set by an arcane government formula based on your distance from Wisconsin. Some of the milk you sell is made into cheese and winds up in a government warehouse. To compete you buy antibiotics and bovine growth hormone from a large pharmaceutical corporation. To enlarge your herd you buy bull sperm from a large agribusiness. To feed your herd you buy cattle feed from another large corporation. Despite your best efforts you wind up heavily indebted to the local bank, and your kids move to the city to be something besides dairy farmers. CAPITALISM (REIGNED IN BY ADAM SMITH'S MYTHICAL IDEAL "INVISIBLE HAND OF GOVERNMENT"): You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Che >When does the next millenium begin? Since a millennium is 1000 years, the first millennium began at the start of the year 1 and ended at the end of the year 1000. The second millennium then began with the year 1001 and will conclude at the end of the year 2000. Therefore, the next millennium begins with the year 2001. from: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Time and Frequency FAQ - http://www.bldrdoc.gov/timefreq/faq/faq.htm DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 100GB BUG
-Caveat Lector- EXPERTS WARN OF THREAT FROM 100GigaBurg BUG - Experts warned today of a new and deadly threat to our beleaguered civilization: the 100GB Bug. As most people know, McDonald's restaurant signs show the number of hamburgers the giant chain has sold. That number now stands at 99 billion burgers, or 99 Gigaburgers (GB). Within months or even weeks, that number will roll over to 100GB. McDonald's signs, however, were designed years ago, when the prospect of selling one hundred billion hamburgers seemed unthinkably remote. So the signs have only two decimal places. This means that, after the sale of the 100 billionth burger, McDonald's signs will read "00 Billion Burgers Sold." This, experts predict, will convince the public that, in over thirty years, no McDonald's hamburgers have ever in fact been sold, causing a complete collapse of consumer confidence in McDonald's products. The ensuing catastrophic drop in sales is seen as almost certain to force the already-troubled company into bankruptcy. This, in turn, will push the teetering American economy over the brink, which, finally, will complete the total devastation of the global economy, ending civilization as we know it, and forcing us all to live on beetles. "The people who know -- the sign-makers -- are really scared of 100GB," one expert said. "I don't know about you, but I'm digging up a copy of THE FIELD GUIDE TO NORTH AMERICAN INSECTS and heading for the hills." ...author unknown Che >When does the next millenium begin? Since a millennium is 1000 years, the first millennium began at the start of the year 1 and ended at the end of the year 1000. The second millennium then began with the year 1001 and will conclude at the end of the year 2000. Therefore, the next millennium begins with the year 2001. from: National Institute of Standards and Technology, Time and Frequency FAQ - http://www.bldrdoc.gov/timefreq/faq/faq.htm DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Congressional Record: Leftist Agenda, 1963
-Caveat Lector- At 03:02 AM 1/3/99 -0800, Mike Moxley wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >Consider the record of recent history; how many of these goals listed >below have been achieved, and who provided the primary efforts to >bring them about? >Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for >socialism ... . Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' >associations. > >Put the party line in textbooks. I remember being taught in elementary school (in the 60's) that one of the most evil aspects of Communism was that they taught children to turn in their parents. Nowadays I read about American kids ratting on their parents as taught by D.A.R.E., and the papers laud it as saintly behavior. I guess those unholy Commie bastards have infiltrated the Right as well... Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Euro (Re: [CTRL] Source: Fate Of Clinton Being Decided At Hilton Head)
-Caveat Lector- At 12:52 PM 1/1/99 EST, Gerald Harp wrote: >IMHO, the Euro will prove the most popular. This is because the US is >becoming less modern as time passes. The key to societal (national) strength >is for knowledge and wealth to widely exist over the entire population. Could you please quantify this? A quick check of census figures and the C1A World Factbook he difference in average income between Germany and Greece is greater than the difference between Connecticut and Mississippi (the difference between west & east Germany is even greater). Or were you referring to the difference in income levels between the richest and poorest within a country? In Europe these are held lower by high rates of taxation and social welfare, i.e. income redistribution. Europe will never be as cohesive as the US due to differences in language. But I don't see this as being much of a factor in the Euro being a popular trading currency. Trading ties and currency stability will factor much higher. Look for the Euro to be popular in Europe, Africa, possibly Western Asia, and the Dollar to maintain its strength in Eastern Asia and the Americas. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ZDNet: Experts gear up for Y2K reality check
-Caveat Lector- Pay close attention to the 8% figure... Che from: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2179992,00.html Just how bad will things really be? Experts will have a good sense because the new systems are already kicking in. By Mitch Ratcliffe, ZDNN By the time the turn of the century rolls round, computer experts will already know how ugly things may get because many institutions and companies are starting their fiscal 2000 financial years in 1999. Indeed, only 8 percent of all date-related errors will hit on January 1, 2000, according to the Gartner Group., which believes the majority of Y2K errors will strike over the next three years in relatively equal portions. After 2001, the problems will sporadically continue to strike as "dormant code" in legacy applications occasionally triggers errors. Two key dates have already passed without major incident: the start of fiscal years for 46 states on July 1, 1998, and for the federal government on October 1, 1998. On each date, government computers began to look forward into fiscal year 2000 to perform projections and calculate benefits. Errors were expected and no significant interruption of government services occurred. But those were warm-ups for the main event and observers will study several critical dates to gauge how computer systems respond to the errors. Party hats on Jan. 1, 2000? When the clock strikes 12:01 on Jan. 1, 2000, two critical formatting problems will converge with many computer applications looking ahead into 2000. The chances that an unrepaired Y2K problem could then trigger a problem are high. The result: miscalculation of expiration dates on time-sensitive inventories, errors in checks, under- or over-estimation of interest on credit accounts -- and that's just for starters. The U.S. expects some problems with unemployment benefits because of look-ahead calculations, beginning on January 1, 1999. Thirteen states and the District of Columbia have applied short-term patches to their systems to enable them to continue to issue benefits checks. Meanwhile, the new European currency, the Euro, goes into virtual use on January 1, 1999. But the presence of Euro-denominated calculations in systems that previously dealt only with dollars, marks, pounds or other existing currencies could wreak havoc on transactions. Many of these January 1 problems will not appear until the second day of the year, because they will be processed in batches after the close of business or after midnight, so January 2 may be the first date to generate recognizable errors. January 4, 1999 The first working day of 1999 is probably the most important date for getting a bead on how computers will handle Y2K problems. This will be the first day that new data will be entered in most systems that look ahead to 2000. New data represents risk, because older files may be isolated from date-based calculations. For example, if you buy a television set on which you will not pay interest until 2000, the salesperson will enter the data into the store's computers, which will pass it along to the credit company computers for processing. If either of these systems has a Y2K problem, now is the time it will malfunction. What do you want to look for as evidence of problems on these early 1999 dates? Well, headlines exclaiming the loss of benefits checks by pensioners is a good place to start. But also keep an eye on your own bills, particularly the ones generated by Christmas buying, which will being to accrue interest in January, 1999. A late invoice or an error on your bank statement will tell you that this is a company to keep your eye on. Watch these dates Each of the following dates mark the beginning of an important fiscal year for government. On April 1, Canada, Japan and New York state begin their Fiscal Year 2000. Forty-six states begin Fiscal Year 2000 on July 1st. The U.S. government starts its Fiscal Year 2000 on October 1. For all intents and purposes, these dates are the real beginning of 2000 for government benefits and programs. And, because government is the largest consumer of virtually every product and service on earth, it is a critical date for suppliers and companies that depend on payments from government. If errors occur in government computers, interfering with the payment of Social Security, Medicare, veterans or other benefits, a large and very influential segment of the population will immediately be in an uproar. Two indicators to keep an eye on are: the earnings warnings of companies that are highly dependent on government for their revenues -- an interruption in government procurement processes or payments will show up in these corporate statements about upcoming earnings; and the credit/bond ratings for these governments, which would be downgraded if there is a change in their ability to pay creditors. April 4, 1999, and September 9, 1999 These are the infamous "Nines Problem" date
Re: [CTRL] y2k..another view
-Caveat Lector- At 12:37 PM 12/31/98 EST, Gerald Harp wrote: >This is another view all right. The right wing religious nuts with their >survivalist shops of wilderness equipment and books have been heavily pushing >this for some time. Another self interested group would be the y2k >consultancy and programming shops that are making a bundle by supplying >solution activity. The antigovernment militia groups are also deep into this. >IMO the guy is right about this being a crises of a week or so. Then echoing >problems over a span of a few months. Perhaps a recession but no end of >civilization. Save your wheat grinder money for beer and peanuts. Just remember that they don't put you on TV for spreading good news, unless you're selling something. Of course the doomsayers are going to dominate the media coverage. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Y2K Overhype (Re: [CTRL] OEN 12/27/98)
-Caveat Lector- >Other electronic equipment besides computers may also be vulnerable. So >engineers everywhere are clambering over pipes, behind walls and into >closets in a giant scavenger hunt for computer chips that control >factories, oil platforms, aircraft, traffic lights and building-security >systems. Why do I have such a hard time finding a computer programmer that I know that's even mildly concerned w/ Y2K? I've asked all my programmer friends the following questions: 1) Are you the least bit worried about Y2K, and 2) Are any of your colleagues worried about Y2K? The answer to both is always no, though I don't know any fundie apocalyptic programmers with predispositions towards this sort of panic. >Several potential Y2K problems have been discovered during simulations. >When Chrysler Corp. set the clocks on the electronic equipment at one of >its factories ahead to 2000, for example, the security system locked all >the doors. So, set the clocks back to 1980 and you have another 20 years to fix the problem. QED. I have a real problem w/ this sort of apocryphal story (which I've heard many many times, always with a different organization/corporation). It defies common sense. Furthermore, it goes against everything I know about industrial equipment. Very little industrial equipment and/or embedded systems have a realtime clock. What little does has to have a way of resetting the clock. Why? The batteries run down every 3-10 years, at which time on every powerup the clock resets to some set date around the time of the clock's development (usually in the early 1980's). Anyone w/ a PC that's more than a few years old has encountered this. So, if your equipment has a Y2K problem, reset to an earlier date, or go around and yank the batteries for a few seconds and your problem is solved for 20 years. Before which time the equipment will have depreciated and/or worn out and been replaced. Mainframes are a different problem, but corporations that use mainframes have the resources to fix the old code. PCs? Most programmers I know have known about Y2K since before they went to college. >The year 2000 problem raises vexing questions for consumers. Most home >appliances and cars should work fine, manufacturers say, though many >people will have to test and fix personal computers. I have a Mac that's been Y2K compliant since 1987, but I don't use Micro$oft products. The only reason they're not Y2K compliant is so they can sell you an upgrade. See how smart Bill Gates really is? Bastard. >Some alarmists scoff at the notion that such organizing will stave off >the societal breakdown they see coming from large-scale computer >failures. When profits are at risk, corporate types will find workarounds. People tend to be very creative when their ass is on the line. >Bankers are especially worried about possible major withdrawals. > >The Federal Reserve Board has already said it will set aside an extra >$50 billion of currency reserves at the end of 1999. > >"When we get down to 1999, the retail public is going to panic and want >cash, and we better have it for them," said David Iacino, head of the >year 2000 program at BankBoston. This is my biggest worry - a media hype crisis, not a computer-created one. There's a slim chance of some government power-grab under cover of a staged Y2K crisis, but my paranoia doesn't reach that far. Your mileage may vary. Of course, w/ the media's natural tendancy to accentuate the negative, it's hard to say whether this is the usual fear-mongering or a deliberate disinformation campaign. I'm leaning towards the former. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Hapsburgs & Vatican
-Caveat Lector- Does anyone have any info on Hapsburg/Vatican connections? I'm trying to help a friend... Thanks in advance Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- At 03:28 AM 12/20/98 -0500, Jim Condit Jr. wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > >SnowOwl, are these serious posts? If they are, then it goes to underscore >that we have a real cultural war (and religious war, the term Pat Buchanan >used at the 1992 GOP convention during that greatest of all convention >speeches in this century). Yes, it's a religious war between those Christians whose NT's say "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", and those Republicans whose NT's have curiously been expunged of these verses Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "Heads Up": Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- At 10:04 AM 12/14/98 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Why is it that every time something is posted about Commie Lover C1inton >all we hear about is Bu sh and Re agan. Seems to be a conspiracy to keep any >topic off C1inton and some people on this list said they were "conservative." I brought up Bu sh & Rea gan to emphasize the similarities between the Republocrats & Demicans. They all eat from the same dog dish. The purpose is not to distract but to point out that C1inton is part of a continuing pattern of abuse of pres idential power. >C1inton is as far to the left as anyone can get without being called >"Comrade." Seems to me that he's somewhere to the right of Nixon. >"IF" the media is owned by the Republicans why does it support >C1inton all the time? Reag an and Bu sh have nothing to do with a discussion >about C1inton, they were not subject to impeachment no matter what you say... >C1inton is. If you would just turn on your TV on a Sunday morning, or MSNBC just about any time (all Monica...all the time), you might change your tune. The few voices supportive of C1inton will be drowned out by those hurling bile & invective at him. Did you ever read the "Pressgate" article in the 1st issue of Brill's Content? It was very critical of the trial by press leaks that Ken 5tarr has conducted. In an interview 5tarr virtually admits to the leaks (in violation of Rule 6E), giving the justification that they were necessary to counterspin information from the Wh1te H0use. Brill is also critical of the inability of the press to "bite the hand that feeds it" by questioning the legality of these leaks. He also criticized how the press replaced reportage of facts with speculation and conjecture by so-called "experts". In conclusion, the article is fairly damning of the press for failing to execute their duties as impartial reporters of fact. Even before the article was published, the media attacks began. Brill was painted as a C1inton stooge for a contribution he gave to the '92 campaign (none in '96). I did not see anyone in the mainstream media even address Brill's criticisms - they were too busy slurring him, questioning his accuracy, and deflecting the discussion to unrelated matters. It was all so consistent it seemed orchestrated. Very supportive of the articles you posted on the lack of an independent press. Now, you may see this as just sour grapes on their part, but there's more to it than that. The power elites definitely felt threatened by this article, and trained their media guns on Brill to discredit him. If the media was really "support[ing] C1inton all the time", then they would have fallen all over themselves to dig deeper into the questions Brill raised about 5tarr's office. By no stretch of the imagination can their attacks on Brill be construed as being supportive of C1inton. An important point to remember is that an attack on 5tarr does not necessarily indicate support of C1inton. Some of us who consider C1inton to be guilty of something think that the letter of the law should be followed, and that the O I C represents a threat to what little democracy we have left. The ends DO NOT justify the means. At 03:21 PM 12/13/98 -0800, nurev wrote: >High crimes, treason, bribery. C1inton has committed all of these. The >problem is that the rest of the more powerful politicians have done >the same. >What you are witnessing is an attempted coup by the right wing. They >want to throw C1inton off the apple cart without tipping over the apple >cart. Sit back with this in mind and watch how it's done. It's been done >before. The 1ran/C0ntra hearings are the blueprint for what happens next. The >real crimes will be avoided. The minor issues will be exagerated, and they >will get C1inton out or cripple him severely enough to render him useless. >UNLESS THINGS GET OUT OF CONTROL IN THE SEN ATE. This is the best we have to >hope for as citizens. That they will hate each other enough to do each >other real damage in the eyes of the voters, hopefully ending in some seriously >needed reforms. This is essentially my take on the situation as well. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let u
Re: [CTRL] "Heads Up": Bill Clinton Is Finished
-Caveat Lector- At 08:36 PM 12/12/98 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Now that's an interesting observation. The media have been defending and >covering for the current president since before his first election. For years >prior to that they have consistently espoused a left-wing agenda. ..Are >you suggesting that all of this is some sort of reverse pyschology? That would explain the big stink raised by the so-called "liberal media" when Brill's Content printed their "Pressgate" story. You'd think Steven Brill was an enemy of the Rupublic for daring to question the media's cozy relationship w/ Ken Starr. Wake up kids, the mainstream media is about as liberal as Ronald Reagan. >Yes, it is surprising that the polls say this - if they are legitimate. If you don't believe the polls, try crawling out of your troll cave sometime and asking your fellow citizens how they feel about the subject. Being social isn't that difficult, in fact I consider it to be and important part of citizenship. I've had trouble finding anyone, even a registered Republican, that is for impeachment (A caveat - I'm from Oregon; Republicans are a little different here). >Actually the most frightening element would be the possibility that these >polls might indeed be true, which would prove that our society has finally >devolved literally into "the ignorant masses." I would not argue that >"neither the Congressional majority nor the media care a fig what the >electorate wants," but in fairness, and in the interest of accuracy, I would >have to add that neither does the congressional minority. I had an interesting conversation w/ some coworkers at the company Christmas party tonite. First there was a discussion about how Clinton's sexual peccadillos were nothing compared to Bush's involvement in the both the S&L & Iran/Contra scandals. Then we discussed Bush's ties w/ C I A drug running. A coworker and his wife from Texas acted like the Bush/C I A/drug connection was common knowledge. I can hardly characterize them as being a part of "the ignorant masses". >If you mean Jimmy Carter, yes he's been laughed >at quite a bit, but not by the media. His problem was simply incompetence; he >simply wasn't up to the job. But that is not a part of his historical legacy. >His legacy is merely that he was a very nice man. And this brings us to Mr. >Clinton. The irony is that Carter is probably the last honorable man that will serve as president (honorable relative to other presidents, that is, I know about Jimmy's dirty laundry). It's hard to find anyone that thinks he was a good president (myself included), yet he is to this day a decent human being. You'll never find George Bush swinging a hammer to build a house for a poor person. >It is you and the pundits who are helping to form your opinions who are making >the mistake. This is not a coup. It is the legitimate activity of the American >constitutional system of government in reaction to a crisis. A bit late and a >bit light perhaps, but the system is working, and at least so far, we should >all be thankful for that. No, it's the devolution into political gridlock via unlawful abuse of the independent council statutes and other laws. It's the dissolution of the carefully placed balances of power in our Constitution. It's the end of democracy as we know it. From now on, if Congress doesn't like what the Executive or Judicial branches are doing, then they can just tie them up w/ an "independent council". The distraction will easily drown out any meaningful public discourse about things that really matter to you or me. >> And all of you who think that you hate/dislike/disapprove of Clinton are not >going to > like what comes nextbut you will deserve it. >> >This I would agree with. None of us is going to like what comes next. And we >will all deserve it. Those of us who vehemently disapprove of the level of >corruption exemplified by your Mr. Clinton will deserve it because of our >apathy, lack of protest. Those like yourself who condone and support the >actions of men like Bill Clinton will deserve it because of your unwillingness >to see truth through your own smokey aura of petty and selfish emotion. It is >a sad thing for all of us. I do not for a minute think Clinton is an innocent choirboy. But I'd prefer that he be given the benefit of the protections afforded by our Constitution and the laws of the land. Otherwise, it might be me they're coming for next time w/ their illegal wiretaps, their illegal press leaks, their illegal detention without legal representation, and their overzealous interpretation of the Constitution. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTR
Re: [CTRL] Apples and Oranges: REDEFINING Capitalism
-Caveat Lector- At 08:16 PM 12/6/98 -0500, M. A. Johnson wrote: >Several major turning points mark the reversal of this [Constitutional >enumerated powers] ethic. The first was the passage in 1913 of the >Sixteenth Amendment, which permitted a federal income tax. This was >the first major tax that was not levied on a proportional or uniform >basis. Hence, it allowed Congress a political free ride: It could >provide government benefits to many by imposing a disproportionately >heavy tax burden on the wealthy. ... > -- Stephen Moore, _Between Power and Liberty_ But that's not the way it works. If you look at the ratio between people's disposable income (what's left after paying for necessities like food, clothing, and shelter) and the income tax they pay, the wealthy have a far lower RELATIVE tax burden. Besides, most of the non-working rich use tax shelters to almost totally avoid paying income tax. >There is NOTHING in the nature of a free-market economy to cause >such an event. The popular explanations of depression as caused >by 'over-production', 'under-consumption', monopolies, labor-saving >devices, maldistribution, excessive accumulations of wealth, etc., >have been exploded as fallacies many times. (refer to _Capitalism >the Creator_ by Carl Snyder, The Macmillan Company 1940) Since this was written after 1929, it's hard to believe that this guy didn't know what an Asset Price Bubble is. To understand capitalism, you have to understand mob behavior. Assets such as stocks, property, and beanie babies are priced based on what other investors are willing to pay. The problem is, investors act like a herd of cows. Where one goes, the rest follow. When asset values start to move up, investors begin paying more and more for assets, reinforcing each others' increasingly irrational exuberance. Eventually though, one of the herd is spooked by the total disconnection between asset prices and real worth, and the rest stampede, causing asset prices to plummet. This tends to have numerous collateral effects which if extreme enough can cause a depression. Some of these effects include lack of consumer spending due to loss of consumer confidence, constraint on business growth due to lack of investment capital and lack of demand, and bank failures due to failure of loans based on unrealistically valued asset prices. This has been seen time and time again, most recently in numerous countries in Asia. Government regulation attempts to put limits on the collateral damage that can occur, for instance by keeping banks out of investment banking and limiting how they value collateral. Increasingly there is a call to limit asset price inflation along with the already regulated wage and consumer goods price inflations. This is because economists are beginning to wake up to the hazards caused by Asset Price Bubbles, especially as electronic trading and lack of capital flow controls cause money to move in and out of markets at incomprehensible rates. Even Adam Smith understood the need for "the invisible hand of government" in controlling capitalism. If you look at the economic history of the US, you'll see that in the 19th century the booms and busts tended to be equal in length. Since the "Great Depression", booms have gotten longer and busts shorter, as government regulation has become increasingly sophisticated in preventing the economy from overheating in booms and crashing in busts. You don't have to take my word for it, just read the article by George Soros posted to this list a few days ago. I think his billions suggest some understanding of capitalism (FWIW, he seems to be a wolf compared to other investors). I also recommend reading The Economist magazine. As Noam Chomsky likes to point out, business magazines tend to give a slightly less filtered version of the news, as sophisticated investors demand to know what's really going on in the world. You still have to read between the lines, but the gaps aren't quite as large. Che DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
