Re: [CTRL] 'Conspiracy Theories'
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- It seems to me that it would be more cost effective for... let's call them "The Bad Guys" for the sake of simplicity... to just spread the rumor of misinformation, rather that actually do it. Once paranoid conspiracy researchers get the notion that they can't trust each other, they attack each other! The Josh Haydn from the original message gets second hand information that David Southwell was seen entering a military intelligence office, and he immediately categorizes Southwell as The Enemy. Southwell publishes a book about conspiracy theories which contains definitions of "cabal" and "misinformation". Ooooh, talk about a smoking gun! He must be One Of Them, figures Haydn, not realizing that the self-referential comments in these definition sound more like jokes than confessions. Haydn then assaults the guy and floods him with emails. It's fortunate for Haydn that Southwell's masters with the 'Elder Race' didn't provide him with an Atlantian ray-gun. Please pass along to Josh Haydn that I found David Southwell's home page (well, the home page of a David Southwell). Except for the blank, evil grin, he doesn't seem so dangerous to me: http://www.freeyellow.com:8080/members2/dsouthwell/ Of course, I'm actually paid by the military industrial complex to spread misinformation. (Uh, oh! I hope no one read that previous line. Perhaps it was too blatant! Nah, they probably missed it.) David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- @ Of the Religion of Deism Compared with the Christian Religion: http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/paine-deism.html and see http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/paine-essaysreligion.html Wow, Thomas Paine opened a heaping can of whup-ass on the Bible! I don't agree with him that every person is, first and foremost, a deist, but I'll allow him that hyperbole. Ric, if you find any more information about, or arguments against, the Christian conspiracy, please keep it coming. Those nasty Masons have been getting quite a beating on this list lately, so I look forward to seeing some balance. Hail Eris! David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A fundamentalist by any other name...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Tsadowq writes: This "new" definition of FUNDAMENTALIST is nonsensical. From Oxford to Webster, dictionaries roughly define the area of meaning for "fundamentalist," as one who is constrained within the strict adherence-- to the most basic of CHRISTIAN tenets. I believe the term Dave Rupp is searching for is "theologically bigoted." I thought I was very clear. I wasn't refering to any particular kind of belief system (religious, political, scientific), only closed-minded people in general. There seem to be quite a few on this list these days. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Internet threat to Israel, say rabbis.htm
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Eagle 1 writes: And by the way, I'm about as far from the fundamental Christian beliefs as they come. I do not believe in organized religion, nor do I believe in fundamental / mainstream Chrstianity. I've expressed my views on this over and over... Who, then, is the one who does not comprehend here? :-) My definition of a fundamentalist is one who believes his or her worldview is the single, absolute Truth. One can be a fundamentalist Christian, a fundamentalist Jew, a fundamentalist Materialist, a fundamentalist Scientific rationalist, a fundamentalist UFOologist, etc. One doesn't need to believe in mainstream Christianity to be a fundamentalist. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED!
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Sorry to break the news to you, Extremist, but Thomas Jefferson definitely wasn't a Christian--he was a Deist. Read any biography of him. The Declaration of Independence never refers to "Christ" or "Jesus". The first paragraph references "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God". That's the Deist conception of God. I couldn't find reference to any of those names in the Constitution, either. And I am extremely grateful and thankful to our ancestors for creating a framework that protects the religious rights of EVERYONE. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. - From: The Extremist[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 1:12 AM Subject:Re: Where's The Outrage?? Religious Freedom DENIED! I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. -Thomas Jefferson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: Politically Correct Jesus
-Caveat Lector- Nah, that's an image of Jacques de Molay created by Leonardo DaVinci for his Illuminati bretheren. David Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. -- From: Das GOAT[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:55 AM Subject:Re: Politically Correct Jesus -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-12-13 18:03:51 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The TRUTH is that Jesus probably looked like Woody Allen without glasses. Or perhaps, Gene Wilder. Or, if Christians are really lucky, Bernard Schwartz a.k.a. Tony Curtis. Personally, I like the unprepossessing face imprinted on the Shroud of Turin. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine
-Caveat Lector- Rodrigo wrote Leaders and Founders of Satanic Cults... (Crowley, Gardner, Westcott, Blavatsky). David: I wouldn't consider them Satanists, per se, because they didn't actually *worship* Satan. What they called 'Satan' was a principal different than that of mainstream Christianity. These people tapped into the beliefs of other cultures which had different ideas about sex, the feminine principal, creativity, and intelligence. If you're going to transmit new ideas you need to use metaphors that other people can understand. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Monday #1 - 11/29/99
-Caveat Lector- Peter wrote: I can suggest.. Bloodlines of the Holy Grail by Laurence Gardner.. Seems to be the latest revelations/.. David: Most of us on the Priory of Sion list serve at OneList.com would debate the value of Sir Laurence's work. He seems willing to twist and even invent information to serve his own purposes. Compared to 'Bloodlines', 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail' reads like mainstream scholarship. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Link
-Caveat Lector- Rodrigo wrote: Another good site: http://jewwatch.com/ David: That was interesting, Rodrigo. I just found this site: http://www.jewkid.com/. It turns out those Jews are actually having sex. Now we know where they're all coming from. What do you suggest we do about it? David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Link
-Caveat Lector- Rodrigo: Do you is joking?! David: If you mean "Am I joking?!" the answer is that I believe humor is the best antidote to the hatred found in those web sites you recommended. Or do *you* is joking?! If so, I apologize for thinking you meant those web sites were worthy of serious consideration. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Link
-Caveat Lector- Rodrigo: Hatred no, TRUTH. Or you find which some forged all that data? You IS joking. David: TRUTH, huh? I went to that Jew Watch site and looked up the article on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. These documents were declared forgeries by scholars around the world, not just Jewish ones. Yet this site continues to treat them seriously. There's one example of the LIES on this site. If there is any worldwide conspiracy which we must fear, it's one made up of PEOPLE. To single out any one ethnic or religous group for derision and fear fits my definition of 'hatred', and 'racism' as well. David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Conspiracy to hide The Ark
-Caveat Lector- So, JAH, I skimmed through the page you referenced. Are you saying that your conclusive evidence is the Old Testament, a book by a Eugene Conwell (1873 AD), and an autobiography of the sixth century BC queen of Ireland (which you recovered and edited)? Did I miss anything? Even if I did help you dig up Royal Meath, and even if we did find something that looks EXACTLY like the Ark, I wouldn't immediately conclude that it was definitely the One True Holy Ark. There would be simpler explanations to explore before resorting to Deux Ex Machina. Perhaps others might take you more seriously if you weren't so absolutely convinced based upon (IMHO) thin evidence. David Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- JAH Wrote: There is absolutely no chance that the Israeli government could have The Ark because it was removed to Ireland by Jeremiah as part of the punishment of the Jewish people for not keeping The Covenant. If they have found anything it is a copy and not the original. So the fight goes on. David: Perhaps the human-reptile alien hybrids, working with the Illuminati and ex-president George Bush, moved it back using their 4-D technology. Just a theory. JAH: The Conspirators' or David Rupp's story, or wherever it came from is just a smoke-screen put out to try to put you off getting involved to help me recover it, because the Conspirators are afraid of its power to defeat them. David: Not my story. Just a little gem of a story found on the Internet, as I said. I believe the author left an address and phone number at the bottom. Maybe they'll help you. Why not reach out and touch someone? JAH: Please take note that David Rupp's web-server is STARPOWER.NET the same as Joshua2, who has also tried to discredit this story. David: I doubt Starpower is part of the conspiracy to stop you. They are way too incompetent. It took them 2 weeks to get my cable modem to work. Although the one guy did look kind of scaly JAH: Think about it. Would you stop someone digging such a tiny area of grass, in a field, if there was even a wildly remote chance of finding The Ark, unless you didn't WANT it to be found? David: I do want the Ark to be found. However, if you came to my house and told me your story, I'd tell you to get off my property. Then I'd get a restraining order issued against you. David Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- Someone just sent this link to another list that I read: http://www.fine-art.com/Steadman/ark.txt It seems that the Ark has been located and it's in the hands of the Israeli government. I'm sure that most of us can rest easy now, and JAH can find a new crusade. Good luck! David Rupp Get caught up in The Web of Fate at http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
