Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Friday #3

1999-08-28 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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Nobody would want to consume human meats with AIDS in 'em -- RE:  "Reptoids
Like Human AIDS meats" -- etc.  Use your head.  Judith

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Re: [CTRL] Burnt Velveeta Sandwhich

1999-08-28 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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All due respect and with the greatest admiration, Kris, occasionally your
emails engender in me a special liking and concern.  This one does.  Besides
being an off and on again Velvetta lover, and a white meat eater, at the risk
of being personal, what do you look like and really do in your spare time?
My best, Judith

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[CTRL] AND MORE--DRUGS ARE A COVERUP: The political lessons of the Waco massacre

1999-08-28 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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It never is too late.  Never.  According to law enforcement authorities (in
Ohio I spoke to), murder cases are at least theoretically never shut.  It
doesn't matter if it takes 20 years or 50, they can always be re-opened.  As
far as lessons, in point of fact, no -- nobody EVER gets over contorversial
situations or uninvestigated murders.  No.  They really don't.  Look at JFK
-- whoa.  The world has never been the same since, nor have they ever gotten
over Di or Marilyn or the other 50 or more celebs the world loved.  No.  The
NWO does NOT win in these situations.  Thus, what the NWO is attempting to do
now is eliminate EVERY possible icon of Americana that there exists -- celebs
beware.  Get OUT of the public limelight.  Cause, the point as I see it with
so many obvious murders since 1963, is that jealously  envy are the literal
bottom lines of all crime synidcates and the FEDS (FBI  CIA).  We are in
very serious WAR society, which IS like a Gulag, eliminating every single
person it can -- however  clandestinely.  Those who survive are those who are
1) shut up and then protected by either an Intel unit or cult (the cult stuff
often costs money -- like can ruin a person financially) or crime syndicate
like the Mafia (again, financial ruin for the individual), 2) belong and are
liked in freemason org (like Masons, Eastern STar, Mormons, other social
secretive groups), 3) those who are on the run -- living in rec vehicles and
on the move consistently and even this is often not enough tho to protect
them as people DO get tracked from place to place, 4) those who are owned by
pimps/johns and are used by them and protected by them.  What this is, is a
"SEND WAR" -- in part a war about electrical frequencies -- which can effect
nearly any body reaction if they are used appropriately on an individual.
AND this is a mind control WAR, with the entire human public being used for
experimentations.  Changes in electrical magnetic energy in the atmosphere
can indeed change, it appears the WHOLE of human behavior in one region or
community.  Hence, people will wind up in trances in public, in grocery
stores, in malls, in public areas and businesses, IF someone is working a
frequency assault upon that area.  And how these assault occur is another
whole topic, not the topic of this email.

But, the fact that we are living NOW in a false society, with horrendous
public assaults going on in nearly every community (war weapons are both
chemical weapons and beam weapons) is simply not at issue in this author's
mind.  This is REAL.   These assaults on innocent people are real.  People
are not being "allowed" to stay outside even of their homes in the U.S.  The
same is true for Europe (my visits there two months ago and 3 years ago) --
people are not leaving their homes, they are not living normally anywhere in
Holland or in France or in England, in fact the animals aren't living
normally either.  I didn't see a single BIRD in Holland or the UK after
visiting some six cities there.  I only saw about 6 schrikes in Salebury UK.
That was it.  NO BIRDS.  The Bronx hasn't had birds for 5 years, neither has
northern NJ until this year.  And FINALLY we have some sparrows and
mockingbirds.  This is verifiable, through videotapes and people's statements
here.  But, I consider this without a doubt a full-fledged WAR situation.
The environments and people are frozen.

So when is the public going to break loose and begin major public
outcries depicting the truth  WHEN  Are we going to kick the whole
notion of "sly" and begin talking the truth outloud?  When do we start really
opening this thing up?

On balance, much of this scenario may really be tied to highly unusual
new technologies and elements beyond public human knowledge.  It really MAY
have do with creatures from the deep and other control entities -- IN
REALITY, we may be dealing with a real war assault from outside forces that
are not now public.

These appear to be the only answers to verifiable situations occurring
around a great many people these days.  Not a doubt that there definitely ARE
(whatever you want to call em) --  highly unusual and intelligent animals
including the "send fish" or "love fish" -- or slippery eels, which these
POOR innocent mind control victims have been used viciously in procuring by
pimps and Intel agents for decades.

THIS situation probably constitutes the major portion of Intel "black
projects" worldwide -- these are NOT DRUG adventures or stings.  NO. These
are not drug situations directly NO.  These ARE situations of procurement of
specialized, intelligent species which people are using to obtain favors and
gifts from others through.  The people who NEED to carry around these
send-fishes on a daily basis are the following:  1) Intel agents who are
implanted and therefore at risk for harm by those that recognize they are
implanted and being used by syndicates for harvesting these animals and other

Re: [CTRL] Drugs and Crime

1999-08-26 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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While this is a fascinating article on crime, I find it also lacking in an
acceptance of secretive-stalking crimes, probably also related to drug use
and other outside syndicate situations.  It does not take into account
violence such as stalking violence.  It does not take into account Intel
agencies violence either (like Waco) -- and, as one person on list brought up
-- it may not include some elements of corportate crimes.

I am convinced that we have a very highly violent society now and very
possibly with the wrong perpetrators being targeted.  I don't believe that
the hidden agendas are public enough yet for us to be able to judge a lot of
so-called criminal behaviors.  And the U.S. body of law, Consitution as well
as subjects bearing upon human behavior (psychology, sociology, education,
sexuality) may all need new interpretations once more of the hidden agenda is
revealed.  I hope this is sooner rather than later.  Small city cults are
probably making some of this information available to their members in some
forms these days.

Judith

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[CTRL] FYI

1999-08-24 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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Listers:

For the past week I have been installing a new computer system and with it a
new browser and ISP server.  I am using compuserv now.  This is to let you
know that my email address has changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -- to
the address herein, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- IF you replied to the CTRL list
concerning the sort of unusual emails which I sent last week concerning jelly
fish or glass fish or leeches -- and if you would like to forward your
comments to me -- I would appreciate this.  And I will reply to your email --
on list or off as you may wish.  My best, Judith

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Re: [CTRL] Freeing Speech

1999-08-24 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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Das Goat's points here I applaud.  Like, DG, I have an obvious obcession
against politically correct nonsense.  I published three years ago, in the
Washington Times, a long editorial which spoke out against a small, elite
group of Iroquois who were attempting to re-write Iroquoian history.  This
was not the entire group of American Indians, I wanna stress, but a small
group whose interests appeared to be primarily their own bandwagons and
staging.  Their views were not necessarily the views of most Iroquoians
either.  But Iroquois don't usually, out of politeness, counterdict other
Iroquois either.  Major points in the "new" history they were pushing in
well-publicized videos and films was utterly unsubstantiated.  So much so
their large history curriculum was rejected by the  NYS Board of Regents for
having bad information in it, years in a row.  Long before the American
public began to understand that their kids were being spoonfed this sort of
rot endlessly for decades -- those in graduate school were being educated
initially by scholars about the horrors of what was coming out of small elite
bands of supposedly well educated academics.  No.  Nonsense.  Having a
critical eye for good scholarship is one of the skills anyone in graduate
school learns.  And this is not a skill the public generally has.  But the
public NEEDS to get wiser about how to evaluate information.  Even tho
someone is published does not mean that they are good at their research or
materials.  OR that their expertise is well accepted in the academys.   Even
though someone is employed in the academy does not mean that their reputation
is well known or liked by their peers.  Top notch scholars are people others
in their  respected field can't easily debate essentially, because their
research is so clean, unbiased, and thorough.  Written words have NO color to
them and if they eminate biases, then this can be readily debated just like,
say a well investigated law case can be at trial.  The facts on paper are the
facts on paper, the facts in the case are the facts in the case.  Period.
AND certain academic degrees are considered far HARDER to obtain than other
degrees (education and sociology are not as well respected as anthropology
and linguistics and philosophy, say).

The subjects taught in the academy now are really getting silly and
irresponsible, even at such reknown establishments as Stanford, where
requirements are practially nill.  And things like homosexual yearnings may
be offered to sophmores.

Judith

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Re: [CTRL] FW: Plattsburgh AFB Named Major Mind-control Center

1999-08-19 Thread Judith A. Brundin

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I resent heavily the assumption in this article that Manchurian Candidates are
"govt operatives" and have had control over their own behaviors.  Many of these
kids were used in horrendous mind control projects -- subjected to horrible
torturous assaults as infants and young children.  Many may be being used in
horrible situations in public, as SLAVES.  These people are VICTIMS , they are
not, it appears, consciencious perpetrators.  They are being USED by our very govt
in horrendous assaults against humanity.  And, then they must endure horrible
"de-programming" sessions to face the fact that indeed they were used in even MORE
horrible situations and then they must swallow these facts.  Nothing, absolutely
NOTHING could be more torturous than the Manchurian Candidate's synopsis of what
they have endured as society's mechanical robots.  NONE of it did most of them
acquiesse to of their own volution.

Come ON!!!  Wake up America!!!  These people are being used in horrendous slavery
networks, alive and well in this country.  Geezus.  Even J. Marks' admitted this
one outright in his astute book, In Search of the Manchurian Candidate (WW Norton
Press, 1979).  Common' -- humanity, get your eggs OUT there in the right basket.
Knock, knock, is your brain workin"

Judith



Dave wrote:

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 forwarded

 Dave Hartley
 http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
 http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

 8.17.99
 Plattsburgh AFB Named Major Mind-control Center
 Air Force DEEPLY Involved in Mind Control Projects--
 According to Eric Harris's AF Programmer AND Harris Himself

 © 1999 John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.
 (Rights of UNALTERED reproduction/distribution waived.)

 The Air Force--THAT is, those divisions of what USED to be the U.S. Air
 Force now under control of New World Order global governance masters,
 seems to have trouble keeping itself out of NewsHawk's press releases
 lately.

 We just issued a heads-up to our readers yesterday concerning the fact
 that KC-135s and other aircraft KNOWN to belong (at LEAST on paper!) to
 OUR U.S. Air Force are currently engaged in an extremely widespread
 campaign of continual, all-out, virtually round-the-clock bombardment of
 the people of North America (not ONLY U.S. residents) with chemical and
 biological materials known to be injurious to human health--and almost
 certainly to the health of most indigenous life forms on our planet
 (cloned reptoid-zomboid-android-Nazoid test-tube vermin such as those
 overrunning our entire governmental structure are obviously not affected
 by this most unwelcome crud being showered down on us daily.)

 We have also made note of the extremely interesting fact that
 mind-controlled "Manchurian Candidate" perpetrators of at LEAST four of
 the recent mass shooting nightmares in our country had/have SIGNIFICANT
 and HARD ties to the Air Force.

 In just the past two days, these articles of ours have stimulated
 additional responses from others with knowledge and/or direct experience
 which further confirms the high degree of involvement on the part of
 covert Air Force intelligence operatives at specific Air Force bases in
 the "engineering", programming, indoctrination and training of those
 unfortunate subjects; picked to become mind-controlled mass killers.

 A wide variety of tactics and techniques are used in these utterly
 abusive and demonic programs, which are almost completely derived from
 the infamous MK-Ultra project, the Montauk Project and related
 intelligence agency mind-control projects. The "genealogy" of all these
 evil, grotesque activities leads DIRECTLY back to the death and torture
 slave camps of the Third Reich by way of the Nazi-infested CIA, NSA, DIA
 and other U.S. intelligence groups. This is absolute, unqualified FACT.
 Check the records. These agencies funneled HORDES of high-level Nazi
 Party members, intelligence and military officers, "scientists" (yea
 right!) and vast quantities of Nazi technology information databases
 into the most fundamental levels of OUR United States government: after,
 DURING and even BEFORE WW2!

 Two of these recent communications to NewsHawk in fact pinpoint a
 particular Air Force base which has ALREADY been heavily "outed" by us
 in our articles ("The Rocky Mountain Horror Show" and "Putting the
 Columbine Puzzle Together") on the Columbine High School massacre on
 April 20. This corroborates information from other widely divergent
 sources regarding bizarre covert activities at this location.

 The location we refer to is PLATTSBURGH AIR FORCE BASE in northeastern
 New York State, roughly 80 miles south of the Canadian border. Beneath
 the Plattsburgh base is a VAST, 18-level deep subterranean facility.

 Eric Harris, whose father has been linked to covert AF intelligence
 projects going back nearly 20 years, lived with his family at
 Plattsburgh AFB for over 4 years right before moving to Littleton.

 We have previously received confirmation on the