Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
-Caveat Lector- When I saw this story originated in Sandpoint, Idaho, where Vincent Bertolini, the Aryan Nations moneybags, and the family is being represented by a Aryan Nations lawyer, I figured they must be Christian Identity. Nuff said. Michael Pugliese Yes, you are right. Those dirty little Identity kids are racist trash. Time to send in Janet Reno and some tanks. flw A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
-Caveat Lector- When I saw this story originated in Sandpoint, Idaho, where Vincent Bertolini, the Aryan Nations moneybags, and the family is being represented by a Aryan Nations lawyer, I figured they must be Christian Identity. Nuff said. Michael Pugliese - Original Message - From: Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: Re: (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho -Caveat Lector- The victims are being portrayed as paranoid because they believe the government is trying to take their land and break up their family. Yet, by the governments own admission, these charges are precisely true. The familys belief that the fathers MS was caused by environmental pollutants is entirely within the realm of plausibility. By definition, its only paranoia if ones beliefs are not grounded in reality. This family is being persecuted because they are poor, and because their land is valuable. If they were Of Color, the Left would be outraged. But alas, they are white, so the Left is doing nothing to support them. Racism cuts both ways. For shame, Leftists, for shame. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
-Caveat Lector- When I saw this story originated in Sandpoint, Idaho, where Vincent Bertolini, the Aryan Nations moneybags, and the family is being represented by a Aryan Nations lawyer, I figured they must be Christian Identity. Nuff said. That's quite a stretch. I live in San Francisco. Does that make me gay? I don't like CI either. But even if they are CI, so what? They're victims of fascism and we ought to stick up for them. If we only stick up for the victims of fascism we happen to like, we're making a serious mistake. For the reasons why, see the discussion at: http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=44354group=webcast A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
-Caveat Lector- I figured they must be Christian Identity. They are being reported as being Catholic. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
In a message dated 6/2/01 12:31:54 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I figured they must be "Christian Identity." They are being reported as being Catholic. What they need is a good thrashing and perhaps a little parenting. Bill.
[CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- APFN Release: (Idaho Standoff) http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495article=2117 Subject: Trouble in Paradise Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:16:09 -0700 From: Edgar J. Steele - [EMAIL PROTECTED] My name is Edgar J. Steele. I am an attorney with an office in Sandpoint Idaho. I have been asked by JoAn McGuckin to provide representation to her where her court-appointed attorney's representation ends, as well as for her six children, now the subject of the highly publicized standoff in Sagle, Idaho, which is the rural township where I maintain my personal residence. Here is the statement I released to the press this afternoon: Edgar J. Steele = [EMAIL PROTECTED] 102 South Fourth Avenue, Suite C Sandpoint, Idaho 83864 Admitted in Idaho, Oregon, Washington California Facsimile: (208) 265-5329 Telephone:(208) 265-4153 PRESS RELEASE - IMMEDIATE May 31, 2001, 4:00 p.m., Sagle, Idaho Contact: Edgar J. Steele, attorney for JoAnn McGuckin and her children Sandpoint, Idaho. A modern American tragedy in the making. Thatâs what the Sagle, Idaho, McGuckin family âstandoffâ represents. The McGuckin family home and the 40 acres upon which it stands were recently sold for a pittance by the county government for past-due taxes.It brought only $50,000, while the property is in prime territory, with fully half of Beaver Lake on its eastern edge. Dad died recently, after a long and valiant struggle with multiple sclerosis, not of âmalnutrition and dehydration,â which has widely and falsely been reported as the cause of death. Just a couple days after this tight-knit family buried Dad, county government lured her out with a promise of money and free groceries, then arrested her, leaving them only to have to deal with the kids. That was a mistake, of course, but not their first. Rather than allow this tightly-knit family a decent period to grieve the loss of their beloved husband and father, the county government instead is doing its best to make the familyâs worst nightmare come true. For years, Mrs. McGuckin has been fearful of the government taking her property and her kids. Today, that fear is realized, with the issuance of an order through Child Protection Services, making the six children its wards. Of course, the Sheriff canât get near the house to make good on that order. She has been jailed on a charge of felony child endangerment, allegedly for not providing a proper home for the children, including food, hygiene and education. Well, admittedly the running water is off temporarily, because the well pump broke and, what with Dadâs severe condition as his days drew to a close, they just didnât have the time or the money to deal with it properly. So, they drew water from the crystal-clear lake on their property for washing and to flush their toilets with.And, yes, the laundry did pile up, but what family doesnât have a few domestic backlogs when it loses its patriarch? And the children are home schooled, fact which makes them politically incorrect, even by North Idaho standards. But, they do have food, contrary to reports, and the power was hooked up and paid for when Mrs. McGuckin was arrested. Are they armed?Who knows?Nobody has seen any weapons and no gunshots have been fired. Sheriff Jarvis has shown great prudence in executing the orders he is lawfully obligated to follow.He did not cut off any essential services, as has been reported.He has vowed to keep his men well away from the house and allow us time to effect a peaceful resolution to this crisis. That resolution must begin with the release from custody of JoAnn McGuckin and the rescission of the order giving custody of her children over to the government.Friends and family stand ready to accept responsibility for the children while Mrs. McGuckin puts her life in order and proves the outrageous charges against herself to be false. However, the demand by the county Prosecuting Attorney that the bail, initially set for $10,000, be elevated to $100,000, effectively guarantees that Mrs. McGuckin will not be given that opportunity. We are now asking the court for a reduction in the bond requirement and will then seek a modification to the CPS order, whereby the children are given over, as a single unit, to the custody of a trusted family friend.Then, we will take on these outlandish charges and give them the ignominious end that they deserve. We are also investigating this highly-questionable attempted seizure of the McGuckin family home. Donations to the family can be made to: McGuckin Family Trust, PO Box 1255, Sagle, ID 83860. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RE: IDAHO CHILDREN SEEMS TO ME THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE HELPED THIS WOMAN A LONG TIME AGO. SEEING THAT HER HUSBAND DIED AND SHE HAD ALL THOSE CHILDREN TO CARE FOR, WHERE IS THE
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) APFN Alert - Standoff in Idaho
-Caveat Lector- The victims are being portrayed as paranoid because they believe the government is trying to take their land and break up their family. Yet, by the governments own admission, these charges are precisely true. The familys belief that the fathers MS was caused by environmental pollutants is entirely within the realm of plausibility. By definition, its only paranoia if ones beliefs are not grounded in reality. This family is being persecuted because they are poor, and because their land is valuable. If they were Of Color, the Left would be outraged. But alas, they are white, so the Left is doing nothing to support them. Racism cuts both ways. For shame, Leftists, for shame. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
