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And even as our nation exports jobs that once opened the door to the middle class, we are importing waves of unskilled immigrants, including millions of illegals. No longer America's protector, our political elite schemes to merge our country with the other nations of this hemisphere into a continent-spanning socialist mega-state modeled after the European Union. In America's Engineered Decline, investigative journalist William Norman Grigg reveals the common threads binding these developments together into a revolutionary agenda. But, as Grigg points out, that subversive agenda can be defeated - if enough Americans will join in organized, principled action. (2004, 176pp, poc) 1 copy - $5.95 - Order 10 copies - $49.50 - Order 50 copies - $197.50 - Order Call 1-800-342-6491 for case ordering From: "H1BNews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---------------<<<>>>--------------- JOB DESTRUCTION NEWSLETTER by Rob Sanchez www.ZaZona.com ---------------<<<>>>--------------- This article is a perfect illustration of Alan Tonnel- son's book entitled "The Race to the Bottom: Why a Worldwide Worker Surplus and Uncontrolled Free Trade are Sinking American Living Standards". In this case, American computer/IT workers desperate for a job have agreed to work for salaries that are compar- able to those made in India in order to make themselves competitive. This free-market approach to getting jobs back is a losing strategy that will backfire. That's because India and China have huge populations that will continue to bid the wages lower than anything U.S. workers can accept. These countries can promise more profits to low wage employers because they have almost no benefits, OSCHA, FICA, environ- mental laws, or labor protections. The American technical workers mentioned in the article would rather accept 3rd World salaries than to spend time fighting the politicians that have forced them into this race-to-the-bottom. Do they realize that their next pay cuts will occur when another 3rd World country underbids the pittance they are getting for their work? It's a zero sum game for American workers. American citizens should think twice about fighting globalization by accepting low salaries with no benefits because the only thing that they will get in the long run is lower incomes that continually spiral downward. ------------------------------------ http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/dec2003/sb2003122_8887.htm DECEMBER 2, 2003 GROWING CONCERNS By David E. Gumpert U.S. Programmers at Overseas Salaries Rather than send IT work to India, a Boston startup sought locals at the same money. The result: plenty of applicants -- and a lot of questions It's the great unanswered business-economic question of our day: How do we replace the hundreds of thousands of information-technology, call-center, paralegal, and other jobs rapidly exiting the U.S. for India, Russia, and other low-wage countries? The main answer that the so-called experts put forth, without a lot of conviction, is that we'll create new "high-value" jobs to replace those leaving the U.S. What are those jobs? No one seems to know. In the meantime, the matter of overseas subcontracting appears to have become open-and-shut. If you're an executive with half a brain, you can come to only one conclusion when tallying the differences in costs between hiring computer programmers in the U.S., vs. India or Russia. These days, the jobs are going to Indians and Russians. OFFSHORE BARGAINS. But what if there was another way to skin this particular cat. That's what Jon Carson wondered a few months back, when confronted with the need to complete a major programming project in a hurry, and at the lowest possible cost. Jon is a serial entrepreneur whose latest venture, cMarket, helps nonprofit organizations increase their revenues by putting fund-raising auctions online. I have known Jon for years, and -- full disclosure -- have invested in several of his ventures. I only learned about his computer-programming dilemma after the fact, though. cMarket had been pursued, as many business owners are these days, by an intermediary who promised he could cut cMarket's programming costs significantly by outsourcing his needs to India. So last spring, when cMarket signed an agreement with the national Parent Teachers Assn. (PTA) to handle online auctions for its 20,000-plus local chapters and, simultaneously, began taking on charity auctions from Boston to Miami, Jon knew he had to rapidly expand cMarket's capabilities. He had his IT director call the intermediary and tell him that cMarket needed four programmers, pronto. Jon knew the numbers for experienced American programmers doing the specialty work he required: $80,000 a year, with benefits adding an additional $5,000 to $10,000 per program- mer. The intermediary came back with the number for the services from India: $40,000 per programmer. It seemed like a cut-and-dried decision, the kind U.S. executives are making every day without hesitating, but for some reason Jon hesitated. Much as he likes the idea of having projects completed at the lowest possible cost, and as responsible as he feels to investors, he didn't like the feeling of becoming someone who callously pushes jobs to other countries. "I'm in the entrepreneurial economy," where competition around both costs and revenues is very intense, he says. "But I was personally very uncomfortable. This situation brought me face-to-face with how easy global disintermediation is being made for folks, to the point where it is almost inevitable." TOUGH CALL. As he thought more about his decision, Jon realized he had a valid business reason to hesitate: As the head of a startup that had been going for less than a year, he wasn't at all certain he should take the risk of having essential work done at a far-off location by people he didn't know, and with whom he could communicate only via e- mail and phone. Still, there was that matter of nearly $200,000 in annual savings. Each time he hesitated about making his decision, various confidantes reminded him about the big money at stake. And then Jon had a brainstorm. What if he offered Americans the jobs at the same rate he would be paying for Indian programmers? It seemed like a long shot. But it also seemed worth the gamble. So Jon placed some ads in The Boston Globe, offering full-time contract programming work for $45,000 annually. (He had decided that it was worth adding a $5,000 premium to what he'd pay the Indian workers in exchange for having the programmers on site.) The result? "We got flooded" with resumes, about 90 in total, many from highly qualified programmers having trouble finding work in the down economy, Jon says. His decision: "For $5,000 it was no contest." Jon went American. And the outcome? "I think I got the best of both worlds. I got local people who came in for 10% more (than Indians). And I found really good ones." HERE AND NOW. In the interim, Jon has promoted two of the programmers to full-time employees, at standard American programming salaries, rather than risk losing them to the marketplace. And he is convinced that having people working onsite gives him control over quality and timing that he wouldn't have enjoyed if he had subcontracted overseas. While cMarket has solved its immediate challenge, the implications of Jon's approach are potentially mind-bending. What if other companies begin taking the same approach -- offering Indian-style wages to American workers? On the positive site, we could begin to solve our job-creation problems. But on the negative side, America's standard of living would inevitably decline. There's only one way to find out for sure how it all might shake out, and that is for other executives to replicate Jon's experiment. The results could be quite interesting. David E. Gumpert is the author of Burn Your Business Plan: What Investors Really Want from Entrepreneurs and How to Really Start Your Own Business. 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Groups Links ----- Original Message ----- From: "carl william spitzer iv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:33 PM Subject: [JBirch] WS>>US Programmers at Overseas Salaries > > > > > From: "H1BNews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > ---------------<<<>>>--------------- > JOB DESTRUCTION NEWSLETTER > by Rob Sanchez > www.ZaZona.com > ---------------<<<>>>--------------- > > This article is a perfect illustration of Alan Tonnel- > son's book entitled "The Race to the Bottom: Why a Worldwide > Worker Surplus and Uncontrolled Free Trade are Sinking > American Living Standards". > > In this case, American computer/IT workers desperate > for a job have agreed to work for salaries that are compar- > able to those made in India in order to make themselves > competitive. > > This free-market approach to getting jobs back is a > losing strategy that will backfire. That's because India and > China have huge populations that will continue to bid the > wages lower than anything U.S. workers can accept. These > countries can promise more profits to low wage employers > because they have almost no benefits, OSCHA, FICA, environ- > mental laws, or labor protections. > > The American technical workers mentioned in the article > would rather accept 3rd World salaries than to spend time > fighting the politicians that have forced them into this > race-to-the-bottom. Do they realize that their next pay cuts > will occur when another 3rd World country underbids the > pittance they are getting for their work? It's a zero sum > game for American workers. > > American citizens should think twice about fighting > globalization by accepting low salaries with no benefits > because the only thing that they will get in the long run is > lower incomes that continually spiral downward. > > ------------------------------------ > > > http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/dec2003/sb2003122_8887.htm > > DECEMBER 2, 2003 > > GROWING CONCERNS > By David E. Gumpert > > > U.S. Programmers at Overseas Salaries > > Rather than send IT work to India, a Boston startup > sought locals at the same money. The result: plenty of > applicants -- and a lot of questions > > It's the great unanswered business-economic question of > our day: How do we replace the hundreds of thousands of > information-technology, call-center, paralegal, and other > jobs rapidly exiting the U.S. for India, Russia, and other > low-wage countries? The main answer that the so-called > experts put forth, without a lot of conviction, is that > we'll create new "high-value" jobs to replace those leaving > the U.S. What are those jobs? No one seems to know. > > In the meantime, the matter of overseas subcontracting > appears to have become open-and-shut. If you're an executive > with half a brain, you can come to only one conclusion when > tallying the differences in costs between hiring computer > programmers in the U.S., vs. India or Russia. These days, > the jobs are going to Indians and Russians. > > OFFSHORE BARGAINS. But what if there was another way > to skin this particular cat. That's what Jon Carson wondered > a few months back, when confronted with the need to complete > a major programming project in a hurry, and at the lowest > possible cost. Jon is a serial entrepreneur whose latest > venture, cMarket, helps nonprofit organizations increase > their revenues by putting fund-raising auctions online. I > have known Jon for years, and -- full disclosure -- have > invested in several of his ventures. I only learned about > his computer-programming dilemma after the fact, though. > > cMarket had been pursued, as many business owners are > these days, by an intermediary who promised he could cut > cMarket's programming costs significantly by outsourcing his > needs to India. So last spring, when cMarket signed an > agreement with the national Parent Teachers Assn. (PTA) to > handle online auctions for its 20,000-plus local chapters > and, simultaneously, began taking on charity auctions from > Boston to Miami, Jon knew he had to rapidly expand cMarket's > capabilities. He had his IT director call the intermediary > and tell him that cMarket needed four programmers, pronto. > Jon knew the numbers for experienced American programmers > doing the specialty work he required: $80,000 a year, with > benefits adding an additional $5,000 to $10,000 per program- > mer. The intermediary came back with the number for the > services from India: $40,000 per programmer. > > It seemed like a cut-and-dried decision, the kind U.S. > executives are making every day without hesitating, but for > some reason Jon hesitated. Much as he likes the idea of > having projects completed at the lowest possible cost, and > as responsible as he feels to investors, he didn't like the > feeling of becoming someone who callously pushes jobs to > other countries. "I'm in the entrepreneurial economy," where > competition around both costs and revenues is very intense, > he says. "But I was personally very uncomfortable. This > situation brought me face-to-face with how easy global > disintermediation is being made for folks, to the point > where it is almost inevitable." > > TOUGH CALL. As he thought more about his decision, Jon > realized he had a valid business reason to hesitate: As the > head of a startup that had been going for less than a year, > he wasn't at all certain he should take the risk of having > essential work done at a far-off location by people he > didn't know, and with whom he could communicate only via e- > mail and phone. Still, there was that matter of nearly > $200,000 in annual savings. Each time he hesitated about > making his decision, various confidantes reminded him about > the big money at stake. > > And then Jon had a brainstorm. What if he offered > Americans the jobs at the same rate he would be paying for > Indian programmers? It seemed like a long shot. But it also > seemed worth the gamble. So Jon placed some ads in The > Boston Globe, offering full-time contract programming work > for $45,000 annually. (He had decided that it was worth > > adding a $5,000 premium to what he'd pay the Indian workers > in exchange for having the programmers on site.) > > The result? "We got flooded" with resumes, about 90 in > total, many from highly qualified programmers having trouble > finding work in the down economy, Jon says. His decision: > "For $5,000 it was no contest." Jon went American. And the > outcome? "I think I got the best of both worlds. I got > local people who came in for 10% more (than Indians). And I > found really good ones." > > HERE AND NOW. In the interim, Jon has promoted two of > the programmers to full-time employees, at standard American > programming salaries, rather than risk losing them to the > marketplace. And he is convinced that having people working > onsite gives him control over quality and timing that he > wouldn't have enjoyed if he had subcontracted overseas. > > While cMarket has solved its immediate challenge, the > implications of Jon's approach are potentially mind-bending. > What if other companies begin taking the same approach -- > offering Indian-style wages to American workers? On the > positive site, we could begin to solve our job-creation > problems. But on the negative side, America's standard of > living would inevitably decline. There's only one way to > find out for sure how it all might shake out, and that is > for other executives to replicate Jon's experiment. The > results could be quite interesting. > > > David E. Gumpert is the author of Burn Your Business > Plan: What Investors Really Want from Entrepreneurs and How > to Really Start Your Own Business. 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