Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine Americas pre-history]

1999-07-08 Thread Robert Tatman

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 In a message dated 7/7/99 3:20:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes:

   Comparing this state of affairs to UFOlogy and the like is
   counterproductive, because we are talking about established scientists
   with results of hard physical evidence, which UFOlogy is sorely lacking.
 
   Our courts regularly condemn men to hang on the basis of less evidence
   than is available to prove the existance of UFOs. What IS lacking in
   UFOlogy is evidence that UFOs are extraterrestial in origin.
 
   As for the antiquity on mankind, anomolous finds are simply ignored by
the
   acedemic establishment. For example see Suppressed Inventions  Other
   Discoveries By Jonathan Eisen, ISBN0-89529-809-0, pages 215-226.
 
   Eisen relates the curious tale of a Smithsonian expedition to the Grand
   Canyon in 1909 (as reported in the Phoenix Gazette, 4/5/09) which
   uncovered the abandoned remains of a huge underground settlement of
   apparent Egyptian origin. The present day Smithsonian denies it took
place
   and the part of the Canyon where the site lies is now off limits to
   tourists.
 

 I should have clarified my meaning about UFO's.  You are absolutely correct,
 there is evidence that UFO's are real, but none that they are being driven
by
 aliens from somewhere other than Earth.
 Another great source for hushed up ancient man and technology
 information is William Corliss's "Sourcebook Project", as well as "Forbidden
 Archaelogy".  I think that it is possible that the story in the Phoenix
 Gazette was a fabrication to try and sell papers, only possible, not
 definite.  But even if that were true it begs the question; why is so much
of
 the park given Egyptian names?  I have written the Smithsonian to get an
 answer as to the expedition and to find out why the Egyptian names are used
 and was rudely referred to a text that debunks "crack pot" archaeology, the
 implication was obvious, I am a moron for even thinking of it.
Interestingly
 the book they referred me to was a good book in some ways, and one that I
had
 and had already read.

Well, the park was opened up and developed at a time when "Egyptian" themes
were all the rage--just look at the number of Egyptian Revival movie theaters
put up in the wake of the discovery of Tuankhamen's tomb. Even ("even"!!)
archaeologists succumb to the current fads...we're seeing a new fad in
prehistoric archaeology emerging now, with the "pre-Clovis" discoveries
(Kennewick Man, etc.) becoming all the rage, replacing the "Native Americans
were first" school, which replaced the "American Indians are the degenerate
descendants of the Aztecs" school, which in its turn replaced the "search for
'White Indians' school" (which had given rise to, among other things, the
Lewis and Clark Expedition, the LDS Church, and the conclusion that the Mandan
Indians of South Dakota were the last remnants of medieval Welsh settlers)...
Check out Martin van Leusen's Fringe Archaeology Page
(http://odur.let.rug.nl/arge/Themes/fringe.html) for some especially strange
examples of archaeological fads and fallacies.

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Artifacts redefine Americas pre-history]

1999-07-07 Thread Robert Tatman

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Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In science, every tired old paradigm was once a radical new paradigm -
 and scientists advance not by kissing old orthodox ass, but by coming
 up with SOLID evidence for NEW ass-kicking insights. In the US, the
 "recalcitrant Archelogical/Anthropological community" has undergone
 about a dozen major, tectonic paradigm shifts this century - it's
 hardly static.  But before any orthodoxy gets twisted, there has to
 be sufficient strong evidence - not just dribs and drabs, not just
 scattered fragments in different contexts, but something consistent
 that withstands critical scrutiny.  Conspiratorialists  UFOlogists
 especially have a hard time dealing with these standards, as do
 attorneys and screenwriters.  Meditate on the old Jewish saying:

   "For instance" is not proof.

Also, before the new paradigm is accepted, very often you have to wait for the
advocates of the old paradigm, quite literally, to die...

Bob

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