Re: [CTRL] Agriculture After Global Warming

2001-07-18 Thread M.A. Johnson

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MJ
Corporations -- a creation of Government -- does NOT  possess legalized
 FORCE.
Nessie
 (1.) Tell that to Wackenhut.
MJ
You PREACH your nonsense to 'Wackenhut'.

Nessie
(2.) Corporations own the government. Ergo, they control the poluce and
military. If you don't believe me, try not paying your mortgage and see
who the government sides with, you or the bank.
MJ
Let's see here ... YOU sign a CONTRACT with another PARTY whereby
YOU agree to PAY $X per month in exchange for THEM to PAY $Y to
a THIRD PARTY in a lump sum.  YOU breach said CONTRACT.
THEREFORE, corporations own the government.

Such impeccable religious nonsense you cling.

It REMAINS that Corporations do NOT possess legalized FORCE.

Regard$,
--MJ

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multitude that, if they are forcibly awakened, they still regret
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Re: [CTRL] Agriculture After Global Warming

2001-07-17 Thread Nakano Nakamura

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--- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Most scientists agree that the levels of the
 greenhouse gas CO2 in the atmosphere are rising
 due to the burning of coal, oil, and natural gas.

Nakano comments:
This report is intended to be alarming.
Let's look at the facts another way.
How much carbon dioxide are we talking about?
1. Only 0.03 percent of the earth's atmosphere is
   carbon dioxide (CO2).
2. CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels account for
   only a small portion of the .03% of CO2 in the
   total atmosphere.
3. All greenhouse gases combined make up only 2
   percent of the atmosphere.
4. Over 90% of that 2% of greenhouse gases are from
   natural causes (not man made).
5. Less than 5% of the 2% are man made.
6. If there were zero greenhouse gases in the
   atmosphere, the earth would be a cold and
   inhospitable place...we need them.

Is this confusing?
The point is, only a tiny fraction of one percent
of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide and most of
that is not manmade.
Even if the burning of all fossil fuels were to be
completely stopped today, this whould not have a
major effect on Global Climate.

The Global Warming - Greenhouse Gas scare story is
designed to justify the placing of strict
international
taxes and controls on the use of energy. One result
will be that electricity, gasoline, coal, and fuel oil
will have far higher prices. The standard of living
will plunge in the weathier industrialized countries.
Underlying all of this will be the establishment of
international authority over national sovereignty and
authority.  International laws and rules will
supercede national laws.
THIS IS A HUGE STEP TOWARD ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT.

There are some questions you should be asking
yourself.
Are you ready to pay international taxes?
Are you ready to pay tremendously higher energy
prices?
Are you ready for America to start giving up its
national sovereignty in large chunks?
Do you think that a tiny fraction of 1 percent of
the atmosphere is reason enough to answer yes
to all of the above?
Do you think that possibly you have not been told
the truth about all of this?
Do you think that it's possible this entire
Global Warming thing has been concocted to stampede
the people into accepting serious international
authority over their lives?

The greatest fears are born in the imagination.
The powers behind the Global Warming scare know this.

 Regards to All
   Nakano





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Re: [CTRL] Agriculture After Global Warming

2001-07-17 Thread Nessie

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Do you think that it's possible this entire Global Warming thing has
been concocted to stampede the people into accepting serious
international authority over their lives?


We already have serious international authority over their lives. It's
not the UN. It's the multinational corporations.

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Re: [CTRL] Agriculture After Global Warming

2001-07-17 Thread M.A. Johnson

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Someone Asks
   Do you think that it's possible this entire Global Warming
   thing has been concocted to stampede the people into accepting
   serious international authority over their lives?
Nessie chants
   We already have serious international authority over their
   lives. It's not the UN. It's the multinational corporations.
MJ
Corporations -- a creation of Government -- does NOT
possess legalized FORCE.

I know, I know ... Government Good ... Business Bad.

Regard$,
--MJ

A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in
which the all-powerful executive of political bosses
and their army of managers control a population of
slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they
love their servitude.  To make them love it is the
task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to
the ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and
schoolteachers.
-- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Foreward, p. XV.

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Re: [CTRL] Agriculture After Global Warming

2001-07-17 Thread Nessie

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Corporations -- a creation of Government -- does NOT  possess legalized
FORCE.

(1.) Tell that to Wackenhut.

(2.) Corporations own the government. Ergo, they control the poluce and
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[CTRL] Agriculture After Global Warming

2001-07-16 Thread William Shannon
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/07/0711_wiresoybeans.html



Scientists Test Crop Growth in Climate Forecast for 2050

Environmental News Network
July 11, 2001

Researchers at the University of Illinois in Champaign are raising soybeans 
in the kind of atmospheric conditions forecast for the year 2050. 

By 2050, carbon dioxide (CO2) levels are expected to be about 1.5 times 
greater than the current 370 parts per million, while daytime ozone levels 
during the growing season could peak on average at 80 parts per billion—now 
60 parts per billion. 


Most scientists agree that the levels of the greenhouse gas CO2 in the 
atmosphere are rising due to the burning of coal, oil, and natural gas. Since 
the Industrial Revolution, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has 
increased from approximately 290 parts per million by volume (ppmv) to 
greater than 370 ppmv today. 

One unknown effect of this concentration is how well food crops will grow in 
a CO2-rich atmosphere. The conversion of sunlight through the green pigment 
chlorophyll in plants uses carbon dioxide and water and releases oxygen. 

Portions of 40 acres (16 hectares) of University of Illinois farmland this 
summer are sprouting soybeans grown in the presence of higher CO2 levels. 

Next summer, elevated levels of ozone will join the mix in an experiment 
called SoyFACE that is the first of its kind.

 Global Food Security 

"When you consider the importance of the Midwest in terms of global food 
security, it is important to do this research here," said Stephen Long, a 
photosynthesis professor of plant biology at the University of Illinois. 

"Up to now, experiments related to global warming on many crops have been 
done in locations on the periphery of major food production areas," he 
pointed out. 

SoyFACE (Free Air Gas Concentration Enrichment) is the first test of crop 
growth in the presence of both increased carbon dioxide and ozone. 

Researchers want to know how soybeans may be affected, and what scientists 
might do to assure the integrity of yields and quality as the climate 
changes, the university said in a statement July 2. 

Five University of Illinois departments, the Agricultural Research Service of 
the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and Illinois State Water Survey, as well 
as researchers from four other nations and two other U.S. universities are 
participating this summer. 

FACE research projects are being conducted in many places across the United 
States and around the world. In Oak Ridge, Tennessee, a sweetgum plantation 
is being grown in a CO2-rich environment, while in Rhinelander, Wisconsin an 
aspen forest is getting the CO2 treatment. Swiss scientists are testing 
grasslands and a bog in high CO2 concentrations, while in Brazil a tropical 
rain forest is being fed a CO2-rich diet. 

In Champaign, Illinois, four control and four experimental 70-foot-diameter 
(21-meter) rings now surround 24 varieties of soybeans. The experimental 
rings have vertical plastic pipes that deliver at crop level a precisely 
regulated flow of carbon dioxide, based on wind speed and direction, pumped 
from a 50-ton solar powered tank. 

Next summer, soybeans will grow on an adjacent 40 acres (16 hectares) dotted 
with 24 of the octagon shaped rings. Four rings will pump carbon dioxide, 
four will provide just ozone, and four will provide ozone and carbon dioxide. 

Natural conditions will exist in an equal number of control rings for each 
test. 

Next summer, eight more rings, including four experimental rings delivering 
CO2, will be placed among corn on the same 40 acres (16 hectares) being used 
this year for soybeans. 

50 Percent Loss in Yield 

Soybeans are sensitive to ozone. In August 1999, for instance, ozone levels 
in central Illinois exceeded the crop threshold for damage on 28 days. 
Greenhouse experiments suggest a 50 percent loss in crop yield under constant 
2050 levels. 

But under elevated CO2 levels, greenhouse work has shown increases in yields. 

This SoyFACE experiment, Long said, will provide insight as to what happens 
in real field conditions. 

Studies earlier this year by researchers at the U.S. Department of 
Agriculture Research Service (ARS) found that cropland and grassland in the 
United States could potentially store enough carbon to offset up to 14 
percent of the carbon dioxide emitted from vehicle tailpipes and industrial 
smokestacks in this country. 

The first national estimate of how much carbon these lands are storing and 
how much more they could store was developed by Marlen Eve, an ARS soil 
scientist in Fort Collins, Colorado. Eve and colleagues developed the actual 
storage estimate for use in international climate change agreement 
discussions: 20 million tons of carbon a year. 

If crops of the future utilize more CO2 than plants of today, that carbon 
storage estimate could rise.