Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- These drug users are imprisoned and used as slave labor. The US is a socialist society, eh? Then why don't we have socialized medicine and why have all the social programs been gutted? Samantha In a message dated 7/9/01 11:54:16 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a socialist society, politicians would want to help every pathetic, mindless doper at public expense, by creating an endless array of social programs and treatment progams to relieve the doper from the consequences of his own stupidity. The more the programs failed to solve the problem, the greater the proof that more funding, more programs, and more bureacrates would be needed to solve the problem. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/08/2001 2:10:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You haven't been paying attention. Liberals are for drugs. Conservatives are against drugs. You must be kidding. I'm pretty liberal, and I think drugs are for fools. If I had my way, they would all be legal, and everyone could have as much as he or she could carry. They would only have to have the word STUPID tattooed across their forehead so everybody would know how dumb they were. This would do for all except those addicted to heroin. They would have the word ZOMBIE tattooed, because you can't get any closer to the living dead than they are. I have to exclude marijuana from the list, however. I still remember when Nixon's blue ribbon panel came back and said that if used moderately there was no harm in it. Talk about a quick gag job. Still they have to have the word STUPID on their foreheads anyway, because its use is illegal, and you really have to be stupid to do something illegal that will allow the beauracracy that passes for government in this country to have a chance to get its hooks into you. I make an exception to those who truly need it for medicinal purposes. With my method we'd all know just how much of the populations is truly dumb and it would all be free for the asking, so nobody, not the Columbians, the CIA or anybody else would make any money from it. Well, perhaps the tattoo parlors would make a pretty good profit. That's a liberal's viewpoint on drugs. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At 01:27 PM 7/8/01 -0700, Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well, it's at least a higher standard than advocated by Al Gore, who thinks he should have won an election he lost by a razor thin margin but tried to fix after the fact. (1.) Thats irrelevant. Stay on topic. It's my damn posting. The topic is what I say it is. It's not about what you wish that I didn't think. If you don't like MY topic, then YOU'RE irrelevant. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At 10:11 AM 7/9/01 -0400, Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/08/2001 2:10:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You haven't been paying attention. Liberals are for drugs. Conservatives are against drugs. You must be kidding. I'm pretty liberal, and I think drugs are for fools. If I had my way, they would all be legal, and everyone could have as much as he or she could carry. They would only have to have the word STUPID tattooed across their forehead so everybody would know how dumb they were. Your approach would work wonderfully in a pure libertarian society, but it would be a cataclysmic disaster in a socialist society. Unfortunately, the United States of America in the year 2001 IS a socialist society. In a libertarian society, people would accept dopers and drug addicts laying in the gutter and rolling around in their own vomit and dog crap, and conclude simply that they asked for it. In a libertarian society, people would accept the right of a parent to shove a cheap, readily obtainable 44 magnum handgun into the face of a drug dealer to invite the dealer not to sell drugs to his children. In a socialist society, politicians would want to help every pathetic, mindless doper at public expense, by creating an endless array of social programs and treatment progams to relieve the doper from the consequences of his own stupidity. The more the programs failed to solve the problem, the greater the proof that more funding, more programs, and more bureacrates would be needed to solve the problem. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At 03:34 PM 7/7/01 -0700, Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- George Bush did not make a secret flight to Spain in an SR-71 to make a deal with the Iranians. That's one opinion. And a pretty darn compelling opinion. If Bush puts on his fully pressurized astronaut suit, jumps on an SR-71 at Washington National Airport, climbs out of the D.C. commercial air traffic pattern in a supersonic jet on full afterburner, breaks all the plate glass windows in Maryland and Virginia, and flies to Madrid in two hours, lands with a fleet of aerial tankers to hold all the fuel he burns and unmarked military cargo planes to hold the special ground support equipment that an SR-71 requires (you can't just taxi up to the jetway in an SR-71) , don't you think someone might notice. It was blatantly illegal. Why would a leftie quibble about a little illegality. Let's not say that the support of the Contra's was illegal. That's so-o-o judgemental. Let's just call it undocumented. You know, like undocumented immigrants, Are you saying its alright to break the law if the cause is just? if so, I agree. OK. So why the hell are you roasting Ollie North? However, this was not a just cause. Because the New York Times never told you it was just cause? The contras were drug dealing fascists. They went through the motions of waging war to cover their drug dealing. You mean they did things like fly drugs into Mena, Arkansas? As Arkansas governer William Clinton said, that was Lassiter's deal. So, why are you blaming this on the Contras's? But they seldom engaged the regular army. Well, duh-uh. The Sandinista regular army had Mig jets, Hind assault helicopters, and tanks courtesy of the Soviet Union and Cuba. George Washington would not have engaged that regular army either. So what's your point? That the Contra's were not as militarily stupid as you think they should have been? Mainly they murdered unarmed civilians in cold blood and then ran for it. Why, didn't the Viet Cong do the same thing? You LIKED the Viet Cong, didn't you? And the fascist-symp in the U.S. media told us over and over again how the Nicaraguan people really loved the contras and they were the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers. Even fascist-symps can be right. What's a fascist, anyway? It's just a made-up word to smear people that Commies don't like When the Nicaraguan people actually had a chance to vote, they threw the Red bastards out. By a razor thin margin in a fixed election. Well, it's at least a higher standard than advocated by Al Gore, who thinks he should have won an election he lost by a razor thin margin but tried to fix after the fact. This is not to say that the Sandanistas had no faults. They had, and continue to have, plenty. Which is why thoughtful, well informed, fair-minded people concluded that the Contra's were the legitimate expression of the interests of the Nicaraguan people. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At 07:05 PM 7/7/01 -0700, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- You left out the guns for drugs, with cocaine flooding our streets in the 80s. Do you mean the Chinease 5000 assault rifles brought into the U.S. through San Francisco harbor by a Clinton campaign contributor, and winked at by Janet Reno? Do you mean the cocaine brought in the the Meno, Arkansas airport during the governorship of William nose like a vacuum cleaner Clinton, who never released his medical records to cover up his cocaine damaged nasal septum? The same governor Clinton who described the Mena drug transhipment operation as Lassiter's deal? But I guess that is ok for you conservatives because most of the victoms were blacks and the drug was rock cocaine. You haven't been paying attention. Liberals are for drugs. Conservatives are against drugs. If Blacks would listen to Conservatives, they wouldn't do drugs. The only culpability that Conservatives have for Black drug problems is ignorantly and passively paying taxes to support paternalistic government bureacracies that expand Black dependency and powerlessness. The worst drug problems in America are in those satrapies where there are NO Conservatives: Washington, D.C, San Francisco, East Los Angeles, etc, etc. Washington, D.C. is the shining jewel in the crown of triumphant liberal social policy. It doesn't get any better than that, I'll bet you love it. :( Wrong. Socialists love it. Socialists love desparate, ignorant, impoverished populations. Desparate, hopeless people are receptive to the notion that government can solve their problems, and will ultimately be grateful to the leaders for doing things for them. Socialists are ultimately narcissists, and socialism is the ultimate self-esteem problem. The socialist's fantasy is not about solving problems, it is to be told over and over by as many people as possible how wonderful they are. That's why so many Hollywood airheads are socialists. That's why Castro's favorite sport is delivering endless speeches to the adoring masses. That's why Bill Clinton was an eternal campaigner, never tiring of appearing before throngs of adoring sycophants. Your wonderful, Bill!, You're so smart, Bill!, Only you can help us Bill!. Your the greatest President ever, Bill, Your just a victim of those mean conservatives, Bill. Socialism is not about reality. It's an emotional problem. Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com The Truth is out there. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- And a pretty darn compelling opinion. If Bush puts on his fully pressurized astronaut suit, . . . think someone might notice. Bush didnt have to go to Paris. Casey could have set the whole thing up on his own. Why would a leftie quibble about a little illegality. Im not a leftie. Im an anarchist. Why do you persist in seeing politics in purely binary terms? Is half your brain missing? Let's not say that the support of the Contra's was illegal. That's so-o-o judgemental. Its the truth of the matter. Period. End of story. Let's just call it undocumented. Then wed be lying to conceal a crime. Is that what you think we should do? You know, like undocumented immigrants, Off topic and irrelevant. Dont change the subject. OK. So why the hell are you roasting Ollie North? He used my tax money to finance a murderous bunch of drug dealing fascists. Because the New York Times never told you it was just cause? The NYT has nothing to do with it. Fascists are evil. Period. You mean they did things like fly drugs into Mena, Arkansas? As Arkansas governer William Clinton said, that was Lassiter's deal. So, why are you blaming this on the Contras's? Why are you buying Clintons obvious lie that it was Lassiters deal? Clinton was in it up to his chin. But so were the contras. So what's your point? That the Contra's were not as militarily stupid as you think they should have been? My point is that they murdered women and children in cold blood and then ran for it. They passed this off as waging war, but really it was just a cover for their drug dealing. They were evil. Why, didn't the Viet Cong do the same thing? Very seldom. The vast overwhelming majority of civilians killed in the war were killed by US and ARVN troops. You LIKED the Viet Cong, didn't you? Not particularly. Why do assume that I did? Are you stupid or just uninformed? Which is it? Be specific. I do respect what the VC did militarily. They were very, very good at what they did, which was to defend their homeland against a viscous, brutal foreign invader. Even fascist-symps can be right. What's a fascist, anyway? It's just a made-up word to smear people that Commies don't like Thats the flat out lamest thing Ive ever heard you say, and thats saying a lot. If you dont know what a fascist is by now, youre too stupid to live. Well, it's at least a higher standard than advocated by Al Gore, who thinks he should have won an election he lost by a razor thin margin but tried to fix after the fact. (1.) Thats irrelevant. Stay on topic. (2.) It was Bush who stole the election. (3.) It doesnt really matte who won because both Bush and Gore were bought and paid for by the same guys. thoughtful, well informed, fair-minded people concluded that the Contra's were the legitimate expression of the interests of the Nicaraguan people. Who, exactly, were these well informed, fair-minded people? Be specific. They certainly werent the majority of the Nicaraguan people themselves. Which brings us to the crux of the issue. Its none of our business how the Nicaraguan people, the Vietnamese people, or any other people choose to run their own lives. If they want to be ruled by communists, thats their choice. We have no more right to force our will on them than do the Russians or Chinese have to force their will on us. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- RE: Abrams/scandal SCANDALS!!! Is this some joke! After the 8 years + that we just lived thru, where we saw and heard of every low down corrupt, perverted, traitorous, etc etc scandal that decent people could not even imagine, AND IT WAS ALLL OKAY? Get real On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:47:25 -0700 Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- At 09:14 PM 7/5/01 -0400, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bergen.com/editorials/abr220010703.htmhttp://www.bergen.com/ e ditorials/abr220010703.htm Bush's dubious choice Elliott Abrams is a ghost of scandals past The pardons effectively killed the Iran-Contra investigation, leaving many questions still unanswered -- not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the affair. And the Janet Reno stonewalling in conjunction with the Clinton's pardons left MANY, MANY MORE questions still unanswered - not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the MANY, MANY criminal affairs of the Clinton era. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- After the 8 years + that we just lived thru, where we saw and heard of every low down corrupt, perverted, traitorous, etc etc scandal that decent people could not even imagine, AND IT WAS ALLL OKAY? That's a separate issue. Elliott Abrams is still living scum. Besides, nothing Clinton ever did comes even close to the October Surprise and Iran-contra. Get some perspective here. They're all corrupt. Gangsters run this country. One way you can tell is by the presidents' nicknames. We used to get guys like Old Hickory, Honest Abe and Father of his Country. Now we get guys like Tricky Dick, Slick Willy, Poppy and Dutch. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At 10:52 AM 7/7/01 -0700, Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- That's a separate issue. Elliott Abrams is still living scum. Besides, nothing Clinton ever did comes even close to the October Surprise and Iran-contra. Get some perspective here. They're all corrupt. The so-called October Surprise is a left wing fantasy. George Bush did not make a secret flight to Spain in an SR-71 to make a deal with the Iranians. It never happened. Give it up. Iran-Contra was a brilliant stratagem. Funnel Iranian money to the Contras to overthrow an illegitimate Commie regime right under the noses of the Commie members of the U.S. Congress. I love it. The Com-symps in the U.S. media told us over and over how the Nicaraguan people loved the Sandinistas. When the Nicaraguan people actually had a chance to vote, they threw the Red bastards out. Its a tragedy that the oppressed people of Cuba have to eat rats and leather belts to survive so that the socialist narcissists in the U.S. and Europe can visit Castro's SocialismWorld theme park for a few days, pass their venereal diseases to a few sorry and exploited Cuban hookers and then come back to the real world and stuff their faces with Ben and Jeffy's socialist ice cream while living off their trust funds or government grants. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- George Bush did not make a secret flight to Spain in an SR-71 to make a deal with the Iranians. That's one opinion. But even if it's true, it does not disprove the October Surprise, merely one of the cover stories. It is a common disinfo technique to disseminate a story that is basically true except for one element, discredit that element, and thus discredit the entire story. For more on such techniques, see: http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm http://www.brasscheck.com/martin.html http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.htm#25r Iran-Contra was a brilliant stratagem. Funnel Iranian money to the Contras to overthrow an illegitimate Commie regime right under the noses of the Commie members of the U.S. Congress. I love it. It was blatantly illegal. Are you saying its alright to break the law if the cause is just? if so, I agree. However, this was not a just cause. The contras were drug dealing fascists. They went through the motions of waging war to cover their drug dealing. But they seldom engaged the regular army. Mainly they murdered unarmed civilians in cold blood and then ran for it. The Com-symps in the U.S. media told us over and over how the Nicaraguan people loved the Sandinistas. And the fascist-symp in the U.S. media told us over and over again how the Nicaraguan people really loved the contras and they were the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers. What a load of crap. When the Nicaraguan people actually had a chance to vote, they threw the Red bastards out. By a razor thin margin in a fixed election. This is not to say that the Sandanistas had no faults. They had, and continue to have, plenty. But the contras were far, far worse and not just for their own country. They flooded American streets with crack. Is this why you love the illegal and immoral support that your tax dollars funded? Do you like what crack has done to America? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 7 Jul 01, at 14:11, Damian B. Cooper wrote: Iran-Contra was a brilliant stratagem. Funnel Iranian money to the Contras to overthrow an illegitimate Commie regime right under the noses of the Commie members of the U.S. Congress. I love it. You left out the guns for drugs, with cocaine flooding our streets in the 80s. But I guess that is ok for you conservatives because most of the victoms were blacks and the drug was rock cocaine. I'll bet you love it. :( Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com The Truth is out there. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:52:40 -0700 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- After the 8 years + that we just lived thru, where we saw and heard of every low down corrupt, perverted, traitorous, etc etc scandal that decent people could not even imagine, AND IT WAS ALLL OKAY? That's a separate issue. Elliott Abrams is still living scum. Besides, nothing Clinton ever did comes even close to the October Surprise and Iran-contra. Utterly RIDICULOUS HE SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER!! AND WE PROBABLY WILL NOT RECOVER! It will take years for us to get 'ahead' again. Meanwhile China is going to bomb us. ABSOLUTE TREASON, besides the filth. Get some perspective here. They're all corrupt. Gangsters run this country. One way you can tell is by the presidents' nicknames. We used to get guys like Old Hickory, Honest Abe and Father of his Country. Now we get guys like Tricky Dick, Slick Willy, Poppy and Dutch. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Utterly RIDICULOUS HE SOLD US DOWN THE RIVER!! AND WE PROBABLY WILL NOT RECOVER! And Reagan spent us into a national debt that we'll never pay off, our children will never pay off and our grand children will never pay off. He sold us out to the banksters. We'll never recover. Our great grandchildren will be born into debt slavery because of that man. What could be worse than that? It will take years for us to get 'ahead' again. Ahead of what? We're the most successful, and greediest, bullies in the planet's history. We suck on the world like a tick. Nobody else even comes close. Meanwhile China is going to bomb us. You're sounding really hysterical. Calm down. China is not going to bomb us. It would be suicide and their leaders know it. They may be evil, but they're not stupid. Get a grip, man. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER =CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ===Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A ===To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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In a message dated 7/7/01 10:15:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Meanwhile China is going to bomb us. You're sounding really hysterical. Calm down. China is not going to bomb us. It would be suicide and their leaders know it. They may be evil, but they're not stupid. Get a grip, man. Yeah, China is gonna' bomb us...like the Soviet Union was on the verge of doing at any given time too...uh huh, sre... Nessie you're spot on...either Lass has a vested interest in expanding the military budget or (more likely) he's (?) a big sucker for the Limbaugh line... Bill.
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- Yeah, YOUR bad politician is much, much worse than MY bad politician. Steve On 5 Jul 01, at 22:47, Damian B. Cooper wrote: And the Janet Reno stonewalling in conjunction with the Clinton's pardons left MANY, MANY MORE questions still unanswered - not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the MANY, MANY criminal affairs of the Clinton era. DBC ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com The Truth is out there. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At last, a modicum of truth, however inadvertent. Check the yearly increase of the national debt since 1980, then try to tell which was a republican administration and which was a democratic administration. Impossible. As Tom Anderson wisely observed back in 1963, socialist party candidate A and socialist party candidate B. Or, as another wag observed, vote democratic and get socialism... Vote republican, and get socialism ... a little slower. _ Steve wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yeah, YOUR bad politician is much, much worse than MY bad politician. Steve On 5 Jul 01, at 22:47, Damian B. Cooper wrote: And the Janet Reno stonewalling in conjunction with the Clinton's pardons left MANY, MANY MORE questions still unanswered - not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the MANY, MANY criminal affairs of the Clinton era. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- On 6 Jul 01, at 1:35, BB wrote: At last, a modicum of truth, however inadvertent. The Truth is all that I post. Most do not understand because they are living in an altered form of reality induced by various factors, both external and internal. :) Steve ANOMALOUS IMAGES http://www.anomalous-images.com The Truth is out there. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/05/2001 9:14:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GEORGE W. BUSH took the office of president promising to restore honor and integrity to government. Last week, he appointed Elliott Abrams, a convicted criminal and oath-breaker, to an important White House post. I can't fault Dubya for this appointment. There have been many in the Reagan/Bush cabinets who were criminals and oath-breakers; most of the criminals were pardoned by outgoing Republican presidents. It's all due to a difference in what is considered to be honorable behavior--it's a judgment thing. Republicans are only concerned about sexual matters, most especially not sex but sodomy. They will excuse adultery if the perpetrators are Republican. So if you look at him from the Republican aspect, Mr. Abrams is completely honorable. Criminal behavior and oath breaking are totally acceptable in his political persuasion. Prudy A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 11:37 PM 7/5/01 -0700, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Yeah, YOUR bad politician is much, much worse than MY bad politician. Steve Yes. It's true. Moral equivalence is only for those who don't know anything either about morality or equvalency. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
http://www.bergen.com/editorials/abr220010703.htm Bush's dubious choice Elliott Abrams is a ghost of scandals past Tuesday, July 3, 2001 GEORGE W. BUSH took the office of president promising to "restore honor and integrity" to government. Last week, he appointed Elliott Abrams, a convicted criminal and oath-breaker, to an important White House post. How to account for this strange disconnect between rhetoric and reality? The answer, as is often the case with this president, lies in family history. As assistant secretary of state under Ronald Reagan, Mr. Abrams worked closely with Oliver North, the man who directed the squalid Iran-Contra operation that entangled the Reagan-Bush administration with gunrunners, drug traffickers, money-launderers, and others engaged in illegal activities designed to circumvent a law banning military aid to rebel armies in Nicaragua. Mr. Abrams was a key figure in the administration's attempt to cover up the scandal. In 1991, facing a barrage of felony charges for lying under oath, he struck a plea bargain with prosecutors and confessed to two counts of deceiving Congress in sworn testimony. But his conviction was quashed by President George H. W. Bush, who issued last-minute pardons to Mr. Abrams and several other Iran-Contra figures just before he left office. The pardons effectively killed the Iran-Contra investigation, leaving many questions still unanswered -- not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the affair. Now his son has named Mr. Abrams to a senior position on the White House National Security Council, overseeing "democracy and human rights" worldwide. Mr. Abrams spent his previous government service as an apologist for some of Latin America's most brutal authoritarian regimes. He was considered one of the fiercest partisans of the Reagan-Bush era, blasting his political opponents as "vipers" with "blood on their hands." Even many Republican leaders were dubious about him. Sen. Dave Durenberger, R-Minn., once declared: "I wouldn't trust Elliott any farther than I could throw Ollie North." There is no doubt that the White House could have found an equally qualified, equally conservative, but far less divisive figure to fill such an important position. But the president chose not to. This provocative appointment -- which, conveniently enough, doesn't require Senate approval -- speaks volumes about the hardball politics that lie behind the administration's soothing rhetoric. Mr. Bush likes to project the image of a political innocent, a plain-talking Texas "outsider" arriving to clean up the Washington swamp. But in fact he is a savvy Beltway insider. He served in his father's White House as a tenacious "enforcer" of partisan loyalty and knows well the murky ins-and-outs of the scandal that tainted the last two Republican administrations. Mr. Abrams' new job makes sense only in this context. It's a reward to a partisan loyalist who fell on his sword for the Reagan-Bush cause. His appointment as an advocate for international human rights is a disgrace.
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Disgraceful Payback
-Caveat Lector- At 09:14 PM 7/5/01 -0400, William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.bergen.com/editorials/abr220010703.htmhttp://www.bergen.com/e ditorials/abr220010703.htm Bush's dubious choice Elliott Abrams is a ghost of scandals past The pardons effectively killed the Iran-Contra investigation, leaving many questions still unanswered -- not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the affair. And the Janet Reno stonewalling in conjunction with the Clinton's pardons left MANY, MANY MORE questions still unanswered - not least the extent of the former president's own involvement in the MANY, MANY criminal affairs of the Clinton era. DBC A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
