Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- You were blocked from SNETNEWS because of your continued personal attacks in violation of the rules of the forum you agreed to by joining the forum. I am muttering death threats, nor am I 'drunk'. And yes I do not like the Christian religion, or any other religion. All religions are thinly-veiled mind control schemes. But of course you ignore the truth about the Oil Industry that I have posted because you cannot take the Truth! What a farce you are. Infowarz is a psyop term. Why do you like it so much? Steve On 6 Oct 2003 at 1:28, iNFoWaRZ wrote: and muttering death threats in his drunken, after-midnight stupor. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Oct 2003 at 1:37, Sean McBride wrote: Most oil industry executives hold the neocons in contempt and consider them to be unreliable schemers and blabbermouths. Sez who? 'Sean Mc Bride' or whatever your real identity is. I have contacts in the oil industry that were chomping at the bit to get into Iraq. It would be a 'cakewalk' they said. The contacts are idiots but high up in the industry. Most people in the oil industry are dinosaurs but it's profitable being an industry based on dead reptiles. Steve -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
and Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld, and the latter's defense policy
board, chaired by Richard Perle.Some critics argue that Iraq
policy is driven primarily by these individuals, who, like Likud, believe
that Saddam's obsession with obtaining WMD marks the greatest threat to
Israel's regional military dominance and security.Indeed, the
strongest advocates for attacking Iraq both inside and outside the
administration - Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Perle and other
defense policy board members, respectively - have been the
neo-conservatives."Absent their activities, the United States
would be focusing on containing Iraq, which we have done successfully
since the Gulf War, but we would not be trying to overthrow Saddam
Hussein," says Stephen Walt, a dean of the Kennedy School of Government at
Harvard University, who also points to Washington's unexpectedly sharp
tilt toward Likudist positions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as
evidence of the neo-conservatives' influence.In their view, the
interests of Israel and the United States are virtually identical, or, as
one of them, former Education Secretary William Bennett, noted last year,
"America's fate and Israel's fate are one and the same."(Inter
Press Service)
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and consider them to be unreliable schemers and
blabbermouths.Sez who? 'Sean Mc Bride' or whatever your real identity
is. I have contacts in the oilindustry that were chomping at the bit to
get into Iraq. It would be a 'cakewalk' theysaid. The contacts are idiots
but high up in the industry. Most people in the oilindustry are dinosaurs
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Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- Sean, there are dissenters in the oil industry. They now look like heros. BTW, you continue to attack the list owner Kris. Why should we assume you do not have an agenda? But you always send me your attacks on your 'private list'. How may people are on this list? What is your agenda? Antisemitic Nazi or just a misguided individual. (Maybe I can get unsubbed from his list that I did not ask to be on.) :-) Steve -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- Sean, there are dissenters in the oil industry. They now look like heros. Steve, The *leaders* of the oil industry voiced strong objections to or reservations about the Iraq War -- not simply dissenters within the oil industry. And it turns out they were dead on target. The Iraq oil situation is a mess, with pipelines being sabotaged on a regular basis. This is an inhospitable andhostile environment for any rational oil company. The Iraq War was a neocon venture, not an oil industry venture. Companies like ExxonMobil want nothing to do with it. They think the neocons are nuts. All of this information has been out there and available for anyone who took the trouble to pay attention to it, and whose mind wasn't crippled by half-baked conspiracy theories. (Let's focus, if we can, on substantive issues of universal concern, and not local list personalities. If you want me to unsub you from this distribution list, just say the word and it shall be done.) - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback) -Caveat Lector-Sean, there are dissenters in the oil industry. They now look like heros. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- Ok, I'll restart ignoring your bullshit. I cannot for the life of me understand why Kris Milligan lets you post here. You defame him at every opportunity as I have been hearing on your private list for at least the last three months. Maybe he wants to 'out' you. He is probably wise to do so. ;-) Steve On 5 Oct 2003 at 3:07, Sean McBride wrote: (Let's focus, if we can, on substantive issues of universal concern, and not local list personalities. If you want me to unsub you from this distribution list, just say the word and it shall be done.) -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- So 'Sean' can you at least tell us (or at least me privately) why you cannot post your real name? You hide behind a yahoo address. Why should we not suspect that you are a CIA asset, or worse, much much worse, someone from the BUSH administration? Why don't you send me your phone number and name so I can interview you for my radio program? I guess you need to keep a cover. But why? Why indeed... Steve -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)/ McFraud's Blah, blah, blah
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/4/03 10:39:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the reason that Michael Ruppert and Kris Millegan have been able to produce so little evidence supporting their theory that big oil has been the ringleader behind the drive to invade and occupy Israel's Arab and Muslim neighbors. The theory is simply false. For the most part big oil has sought friendly and stable relations with Israel's oil-producing neighbors, a policy which has enraged Israel and the neocons. McFraud, creating a straw man? I realize that you don't like Ruppert or myself, but there is really no reason for lying. And by trying to create "sides" to defend you seek to divide people. First, off please, prove your assertion that my position is that big oil in the "ringleader." You are doing what you do, put words in people's mouth and then try to corner them into defending false positions. McFraud, you have no credibilty, just rhetorical game playing coward. So, how come you never answer my questions and have never acknowledged that you were wrong about Senator Bob Graham being a member of the Order of Skull and Bones? Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)/ Hey McFraud here is more questions for you to not answer
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/4/03 11:18:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Sez experts on the subject like Anthony Sampson, Jim Lobe, James Baker and many others. I've just posted several well-documented articles on the subject. Do you know who Anthony Sampson is? The oil industry cannot profitably extract and sell oil from nations whose citizens are seething with violence and hatred against an occupying power. Oil industry executives are NOT stupid, and they are not crazed dreamers like the neocons. Praytell, McFraud, where do the neo-cons derive their political power? How is this group allowed to overide other concerns. Is it because of their "hold" on baby Bush." Pray tell what political power does baby Bush hold on his own? Is Senator Graham a member of the Order of Skull Bones as you have said? Please proove it. Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)- more on McFraud perfidy
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/4/03 11:48:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you always send me your attacks on your 'private list'. How may people are on this list? What is your agenda? Antisemitic Nazi or just a misguided individual. (Maybe I can get unsubbed from his list that I did not ask to be on.) :-) Steve Steve, thanks for letting me know of these activities by McFraud. It just shows again his use of cointelpro tactics in his smear and besmirching campaigns against myself, Ruppert, EIR and others. He likes to whisper in the dark and try to divide us that are reaching consensus on the secret societal corruption of our republic and our organic lives. At the end of all of McFraud's rhetoric is the same old tired Israel-is-behind-it-all canard (that can be easily dismissed by the other side of these false debates). He is trying to play William Conrad's part in the movie - Brotherhood of the Bell. Peace, Om K To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- That was most enlightening Stevo. Did you come by this paranoid information via a crystal ball, or when in communiqué withspace aliensusingthat magicastro-galactic-amulet-transceivers youunearthed in one ofyour time-travel expeditions to ancient Atlantis. But I'm just kidding; and you are probably right. I would not for a moment be at all surprised if the Pentagon, NSA, or verily Mr Bush II himself; personally finds time to read the obscure rants reported of him, bya regular half dozen obscure people, on an obscure forum. If I were you, someone who postsextremely important stuff affecting the survival and future of the human race here,I'd be very cautious at posting my real email address! The sinister Intel guys are able to track you downby your email address likethe blood hounds from hell they are;by usingtechnologically advancedWWW sniffer software dude! Anyhow; take care, and give mybest to all when next on Uranus. Dave. - Original Message - From: "Steve Wingate" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback) -Caveat Lector-So 'Sean' can you at least tell us (or at least me privately) why you cannot post yourreal name? You hide behind a yahoo address. Why should we not suspect that you are a CIAasset, or worse, much much worse, someone from the BUSH administration?Why don't you send me your phone number and name so I can interview you for my radioprogram? I guess you need to keep a cover. But why? Why indeed...Steve--ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orgDECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?"not soap-boxingâ?"please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?"with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright fraudsâ?"is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="">ctrlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Sean McBride To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback) SNIP --- If you want to grasp what the neocons are all about, read a large stack of issues of Commentary -- their key issues come into focus quite quickly. Everything they say and do revolves around the interests not simply of Israel ina practical sense, but of Israel as a grandiose and messianic myth. The neocons are ethnocentric wankers. George W. Bush has gone along with the neocons not because of his oil industry connections, but because of his Christian Zionism -- the neocons have exploited that primitive superstition to the hilt. You are correct, in terms of the perennial Mid-East conflagrations and problems, in the sense that oil cannot possibly be the sole motive for whatthe Iraqi war. That is not to say it does not have a role. After the horror of the twin towers devastation,the "oil weapon" arose as a moreprioritised issue, and viewed as an importantinstrument in the potential arsenal of unfriendly Arab states. Likewise,a number of other factors played a part, including the removal of Saddam Hussein, whichcannot be viewed as a totally cynical gesture, since many Iraqi peoples and otheranxious Arabs themselves had genuine Human Rights concerns, and had petitioned the global community in general and the US in particular, to act againstthedespotic Iraqi regime. In any case, the simple fact is,for millennia, many foreign powers have pokedtheir political noses into the Mid-East region and been left the worse for it; and this was in historic periods when OIL was not even an existent or known commodity. Also, and in part,"the no blood for oil" campaign was a chimerawhich disguised the multi-faceted aspects of the whole operation; political, religious and economic; making it appear that a singular objective alone was in play. This was also an important propaganda slogan developed by the Roman Catholic ecclesia, whichtoday feels betrayed by Mr Bush II; after he successfully captureda good deal of the conservative Catholic American vote, with the aid of the pope. Part of the papal angst began when President Bush II, publiclyproclaimed that the Infallible pope of Rome, gods very own voice on earth, was wrong over his anti-war stance. Such humiliation and snubbery, from all people, the leader of the worlds most powerful nation,went down like a lead Zeppelin in Vatican circles. The present toxic venin toward Bush II is such that; it has been publicised that many insider clerics within the Vatican claim that the Pope considers Bush II, the Antichrist. Hence, Bush II is being presently crucified by so-called anti-Zionists and anti-Neo-Cons whomewl theirchorus linesinspirationally Scored by clerical theoreticians and propagandists who are centuries-old-practiced in the art of malice and hate. In the past, the pope spoke out against the war, but did very little to speak out against Saddam'sdespotic regime. It was more important for the pope to decry and protest American power, even when clearly it was used for a good end. Given the popesalleged high moralturf right beside Jesus;ethical people were left to ponder whether the Vatican and the pope had gone troppo, assuming they were ever sane in the first place. Even significant European Liberals dissented from their predominantly anti-American colleagues, who disguised their anti-Americanism with a bloated, sanctimoniousanti-war rhetorical facade. "I think it's not by chance that the idea of confronting evil may have found more support in those countries that have had a recent experience with totalitarian systems compared with other European countries that haven't had the same sort of recent experience." - Vaclav Havel The situation of the UStoday near-parallels the power of ancient Imperial Rome in the Mid-East some two millennia ago. The issues the Caesars faced in the region were manifold in number; waring religious andpolitical factions fighting one another internally and everybody else externally; which all tended to impede Rome'smilitary lebensraum and its economic interests. Rome, like the US,sought a negotiated peace in the region, but alas there was none. The modern State of Israel simply would not exist if it were not an inventedand empoweredby the Christo-Zionists. Religiously, many piou
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- You are full of lies from an obvious disinformation specialist. You deserve to die a cruel death by non-natural means. I will not participate but will be glad to help with your funeral expenses. Take care, 'David'. You never know who might live next door. Steve On 6 Oct 2003 at 13:23, David Sutherland wrote: That was most enlightening Stevo. Did you come by this paranoid information via a crystal ball, or when in communiqué with space aliens using that magic astro-galactic-amulet-transceivers you unearthed in one of your time-travel expeditions to ancient Atlantis. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- You're one sick fu*k! It's not surprising the creeps can only flame me instead of discussing the issues. All you can do it parrot another psyop's bs. You're Sean's pathetic little poodle. Watch out when you cross the road, the tiger might be behind the wheel. Steve On 6 Oct 2003 at 13:23, David Sutherland wrote: Did you come by this paranoid information via a crystal ball, or when in communiqué with space aliens using that magic astro-galactic-amulet-transceivers you unearthed in one of your time-travel expeditions to ancient Atlantis. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- Wingate, if that's your real name: you have shown yourself as a paranoid and now you are showing yourself as a dangerous paranoid by posting death threats. The moderator should remove you from this list immediately. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- At 12:39 AM 10/6/03, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- Wingate, if that's your real name: you have shown yourself as a paranoid and now you are showing yourself as a dangerous paranoid by posting death threats. The moderator should remove you from this list immediately. . The same coward Steve Wingate who, besides kicking people off his SNET list for telling it like it is, without so much as an explanation, hiding behind his awesome power as a moderator of a damned declining discussion list, and who uses his SNET list for his personal Bigotry against anything Christian, and has the symptoms of Juvenile Control Freak Disease, seems to have such a desire and fetish for wanting to exterminate people and muttering death threats in his drunken, after-midnight stupor. To wit : From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Our Favorite Hero Spot? Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:58:55 -0700 - SNETNEWS Mailing List Try an advanced google search with the words 'assasinate GW Bush' and see what you get. Note to Secret Service. Do you work for the Fed, or do you just contract out? New suggestion, search for the exact phrase assasinate Alan Greenspan. Can we say Echelon overload? Steve Put me on your list. You're on mine! From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: How can we 'kill' terrorism (Bush)? Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 00:12:07 -0700 - SNETNEWS Mailing List Seriously, how can we 'get rid' of Bush, and thus the threat of oil terrorism. Simple. You have to uncover the energy alternatives that diffuse the power of the mid east. If you cannot figure this out, you deserve to die in Bush's Oily Armegeddon holocost. If you can, Bush will have an oily death. So sue me Secret Service. Or not. Steve - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Echelon Test Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 02:07:26 -0700 - SNETNEWS Mailing List Assasinate Bush! Does that bring up Echelon? Just kidding, NSA. We all love you and your monitoring. I listen to your clicks on my phone. You'd think you would be able to stop the clicks. You guys are idiots. But dangerous idiots, like Bush. Steve Yes, the same Steve Wingate who mutters such Jewels of Knowledge such as: From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Real Leader of US: Alien Intelligence? Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 05:01:31 -0700 - SNETNEWS Mailing List What if the United States, and the rest of the world, was ruled by a genetically-modified human foetus, or foetii, large groups of individual foetus hybrids linked telepathically. Steve - Yes, that Steve Wingate, Mr. Moronic Deaththreat himself. -iNFoWaRZ As in Information Warfare. I agree with Flash Gordon. Ban the murderous infidel. BwHaHaHaaa! www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Oct 2003 at 21:39, Flash Gordon wrote: Wingate, if that's your real name: you have shown yourself as a paranoid and now you are showing yourself as a dangerous paranoid by posting death threats. The moderator should remove you from this list immediately. My name is: Steven Lee Wingate. My address is 168 Lakeside Dr. Corte Madera, CA 94925-1054 I'll be wainting for you. I might be armed however, but never paranoid. Just don't shine the flashlight in my eyes very fast or I might... go crazy. 'Dangerous' Steve -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- On 5 Oct 2003 at 21:39, Flash Gordon wrote: The moderator should remove you from this list immediately. You just can't take the truth. What is YOUR real name, Flash? I love you Yahoo operatives. Steve -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
Title: Guardian | Bush's oil move backfires -Caveat Lector- In a dream ending for the chapter of history being written now in Iraq, neo-conservatives fantasised before the war about a privatised, pro-American Iraqi oil industry. Note well: NEOCONSERVATIVES fantasized about easily exploiting Iraqi oil, NOT big oil industry executives. Big oil all along has had a much more skeptical and realistic understanding of the Mideast oil situation than the fanatically ideological neocons, most of whom have no track record of succeeding in any business. Neocons are simultaneously chickenhawk laptop bombardiers andimaginary capitalist tycoons. They are grotesque fantasists. Bush, of course, had no track record of succeeding at anything before launching the disastrous Iraq War. Winning the White House has given him, with the help of the neocons,the opportunity to fail on a truly grand scale. http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,4726562-103682,00.html Bush's oil move backfires Now he will have to try diplomacy LeaderTuesday August 5, 2003The Guardian In a dream ending for the chapter of history being written now in Iraq, neo-conservatives fantasised before the war about a privatised, pro-American Iraqi oil industry. This would have access to the world's second largest hydrocarbon reserves and produce so much oil that Saudi Arabia, in charge of Opec, would lose its grip on petrol prices. The world would then be swimming in inexpensive petrol - the cost of which would be dictated by the market, not by an anti-American price-fixing club run by Riyadh. Low prices would also mean falling revenues for oil-producers, which in the Middle East might precipitate the collapse of regimes hostile to the US. These hopes are now being dissipated like sand before the desert wind. Oil is dribbling, rather than pumping, from Iraq's bomb-blasted oil industry. Sabotage and theft mean Iraq's oil production remains at a fraction of the levels achieved under Saddam. With reconstruction failing to take off, there is little sign of a post-Ba'athist dividend in the form of low oil prices. The result is that US action in Iraq has not weakened Opec, and hence Saudi Arabia, but strengthened it. Last week's meeting of Opec ministers confirmed that with supplies being disrupted by political unrest in Venezuela and Nigeria, oil prices would remain where the Saudis want them to be - high. This is bad news for any putative global recovery and the US economy. Ever since Arab nations imposed an embargo on oil exports to America in 1973, the United States has tried, in theory, to wean itself off foreign oil. George Bush declared hydrocarbon independence a priority. But the real issue is not where the oil spurts from, but how much it costs to buy. If politics is the pursuit of economics by other means, then Mr Bush needs now to display a deftness previously absent. Oil ministers are already talking of cutting production, with the implicit, Exocet-shaped threat of rising petrol costs. Every major economic recession in the past 40 years has been preceded by a jump in the oil price. The Saudi foreign minister's fury last week over a Congressional report that implicated his nation in terrorism will not have gone unnoticed. The neo-conservatives' project for Opec has been exposed as counterproductive. Instead Washington will have to revert to diplomacy to win over Riyadh.The question is whether they do so by being crude - or by being refined. Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- Keep in mind that a number of the neocons were also oil industry executives. Condoleeza Rice was a consultant to Chevron. They are definitely connected. Steve On 4 Oct 2003 at 15:35, Sean McBride wrote: Guardian | Bush's oil move backfiresIn a dream ending for the chapter of history being written now in Iraq, neo-conservatives fantasised before the war about a privatised, pro-American Iraqi oil industry. Note well: NEOCONSERVATIVES fantasized about easily exploiting Iraqi oil, NOT big oil industry executives. Big oil all along has had a much more skeptical and realistic understanding of the Mideast oil situation than the fanatically ideological neocons, most of whom have no track record of succeeding in any business. Neocons are simultaneously chickenhawk laptop bombardiers and imaginary capitalist tycoons. They are grotesque fantasists. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback)
-Caveat Lector- Keep in mind that a number of the neocons were also oil industry executives. Condoleezza Rice was a consultant to Chevron. They are definitely connected. Steve, Strictly speaking, the neocons for the most part are a group of ideologues, academics, intellectuals and journalists who are a strange combination of ultra-leftism on social policy and ultra-right Likud Zionism. Most of them have no accomplishments to their name in pragmatic endeavors. This is the same parasitic personality type which seized positions of bureaucratic power in the Soviet Union and drove it into the ground. The neocons are long on big, unrealistic ideas and short on practical accomplishments. Condoleezza Rice, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are not technically neocons -- they are tools and instruments of the neocons. They are regurgitating concepts and words that have been put into their mouths by Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, William Kristol, Michael Ledeenand other prominent neocons who dominate the PNAC, AEI, JINSA and similar think tanks. Most oil industry executives hold the neocons in contempt and consider them to be unreliable schemers and blabbermouths. The neocons have been hatching schemes for stealing Arab and Muslim oil on behalf on Israel since at least the seventies. These schemes have little to do with the carefuljudgment of big oil of what is in its best interest. If you want to grasp what the neocons are all about, read a large stack of issues of Commentary -- their key issues come into focus quite quickly. Everything they say and do revolves around the interests not simply of Israel ina practical sense, but of Israel as a grandiose and messianic myth. The neocons are ethnocentric wankers. George W. Bush has gone along with the neocons not because of his oil industry connections, but because of his Christian Zionism -- the neocons have exploited that primitive superstition to the hilt. Bush Sr.'s oil buddies, including James Baker, tried to warn Junior that invading Iraq would be bad for the oil business. This is the reason that Michael Ruppert and Kris Millegan have been able to produce so little evidence supporting their theory that big oil has been the ringleader behind the drive to invade and occupy Israel's Arab and Muslim neighbors. The theory is simply false. For the most part big oil has sought friendly and stable relations with Israel's oil-producing neighbors, a policy which has enraged Israel and the neocons. - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Bush's Oil Move Backfires (Flashback) -Caveat Lector-Keep in mind that a number of the neocons were also oil industry executives. CondoleezaRice was a consultant to Chevron. They are definitely connected.SteveOn 4 Oct 2003 at 15:35, Sean McBride wrote: Guardian | Bush's oil move backfiresIn a dream ending for the chapter of history being written now in Iraq, neo-conservatives fantasised before the war about a privatised, pro-American Iraqi oil industry. Note well: NEOCONSERVATIVES fantasized about easily exploiting Iraqi oil, NOT big oil industry executives. Big oil all along has had a much more skeptical and realistic understanding of the Mideast oil situation than the fanatically ideological neocons, most of whom have no track record of succeeding in any business. Neocons are simultaneously chickenhawk laptop bombardiers and imaginary capitalist tycoons. They are grotesque fantasists.--ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILEShttp://www.anomalous-images.comwww.ctrl.orgDECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?"not soap-boxingâ?"please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?"with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright fraudsâ?"is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="">ctrlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISC
