[CTRL] Catholic Church Used Slave Labor
.. From the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed] Note: We store 100's of related "conspiracy posts" at: http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/recentmail.html From: "Alex Constantine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Kris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "Lloyd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Catholic Church Used Slave Labor Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 4:39 PM LA Times Tuesday, August 29, 2000 Catholics: Yes to WWII Compensation By STEPHEN GRAHAM, Associated Press Writer BERLIN--Germany's Catholic church said Tuesday it would pay $4.6 million in compensation for using Nazi-provided forced labor during World War II but snubbed a national compensation fund, saying the church had no part in "collective guilt." Pressure on the Catholic church has grown since German firms and the government established a $4.6 billion fund earlier this year and called on all organizations who might have used slave or forced labor, including the churches, to contribute. While Protestant church leaders agreed last month to pay $4.6 million into the national fund, the Catholic church decided not to join that initiative and will instead channel payments to surviving victims via a charity, said Karl Lehmann, chairman of the German Catholic Bishops Conference. He said the Catholic church rejected the idea of "collective guilt" for any abuses of forced laborers because it had treated its workers well, while the Nazis deliberately had worked slave laborers to death. Many of those forced to work for Catholic institutions during the war were agricultural laborers not covered by the government-industry fund, which is aimed at helping forced laborers detained in concentration camps or employed in industry and government, the church argues. "That doesn't mean we won't help shoulder the people's burden of responsibility," Lehmann said at a news conference in the western town of Mainz after 27 bishops met Monday to decide their policy. Representatives of the government-backed fund and victims criticized the bishops for paying too little, too late and accused them of arrogance in deciding to shun the national initiative. "It's an altogether small-hearted reaction to rid themselves of a painful subject," said Wolfgang Gibowski, the spokesman for the government-industry fund, complaining that the Catholic church had never approached the fund to discuss whether agricultural laborers would have been covered. Otto Lambsdorff, the government's chief Nazi labor envoy, argued that it wasn't true that agricultural laborers wouldn't be entitled to payments under the national scheme. He said the fund would take into account payments by the Catholic church so that all victims would be treated fairly. The foundation has been struggling to collect the firms' $2.3 billion share of the fund, with their pledges stuck for weeks at just over $1.4 billion. Michael Witti, a Munich-based lawyer representing victims, said it had taken the church "a laughably long time" to decide to compensate survivors and accused it of ignoring popular support for the government-backed fund. The Catholic church said half of its pledge will be direct payments via a charity organization to those forced to work in institutions such as monasteries and convents. The other half will go to educational projects run by the church. While the Catholic church has yet to release details of how many forced laborers it employed, newspaper reports have suggested only a few hundred are still alive. Also Tuesday, a Berlin historian confirmed that an archive containing the names and personal details of about 3,000 slave laborers, most from western Europe, was discovered in the bunker of a former electronics company in the capital. The data could help survivors claim compensation, Reiner Janick said. Copyright 2000 Los Angeles Times Forwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms Discussion List, not necessarily endorsed by: *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. **FREE RARE BOOK SEARCH: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Explore Our Archive: http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us
Re: [CTRL] Catholic Church Used Slave Labor
What about the slave labor where soldiers are drafted and sent to fight in a war, whereby someone profitted greatly? How many ophaned children in American where father's did not return; during Viet Nam as all wars there was not to question why, but do or die... Americans will fight for their country, and today you see what Clinton is doing - destroying the Military and then only the UN will have military force, and if you do not like it and take arms against a tyrannical government, UN troops will be sent in - and do not think in the past some of these masked soldiers have not been UN troops in training - on how to put down the Americans. It is all a slow dehilibating leveling process; but you cannot put new wine into old bottles, so they go for the kids. What about reparation from these big companies like Schlumberger and the ones who manufacture the big bombs, like the ones dropped on the children of Iraq..why are we giving Israel billions of dollars to arm up against the arabs - and they are to sit back and let someone walk all over themlike Waco - those boots are made for walking? See who prospers today? Those laundering the money, and Columbus, ohio has been and still is one of the majaor laundering pointsLarry Flynt with his millions..think he made that on pornography? President Carter and his sister were in with Flynt; Carter's nephew was in prison and friends with Charles Manson, and comes out, and writes a book.and then Billy Beer..but when Manson threatened to murder Ms. Lillian, little Willie Spann dropped the game plan. What kind of peple are these? Carter makes his entrance in Playboy Magazine and his sister hooks up to Larry Flynt, and his nephew chumming with Charlie Manson, in prison Seems this stuff is all in the family but cui bono. Somebody wants reparations? Maybe I will sue for being denied a father whose only crime, was being patriotic..poison gas, mustard gas, was result of his death and it was illegal to use in warwho made that stuff...nobody built a shrine to him or the other 55 million people who died because of WWIIand then came the plague..Death always follows death. Reparations from Catholic Church - be sure the right people get it...imagine Lieberman's wife has put in a bid for some of it. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Catholic Church Used Slave Labor
"USED" is a misnomer - the fact is, Vaticanised Catholicism has NEVER CEASED USING. How else would it survive its parasitic existence? - Original Message - From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:01 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Catholic Church Used Slave Labor What about the slave labor where soldiers are drafted and sent to fight in a war, whereby someone profitted greatly? How many ophaned children in American where father's did not return; during Viet Nam as all wars there was not to question why, but do or die... Americans will fight for their country, and today you see what Clinton is doing - destroying the Military and then only the UN will have military force, and if you do not like it and take arms against a tyrannical government, UN troops will be sent in - and do not think in the past some of these masked soldiers have not been UN troops in training - on how to put down the Americans. It is all a slow dehilibating leveling process; but you cannot put new wine into old bottles, so they go for the kids. What about reparation from these big companies like Schlumberger and the ones who manufacture the big bombs, like the ones dropped on the children of Iraq..why are we giving Israel billions of dollars to arm up against the arabs - and they are to sit back and let someone walk all over themlike Waco - those boots are made for walking? See who prospers today? Those laundering the money, and Columbus, ohio has been and still is one of the majaor laundering pointsLarry Flynt with his millions..think he made that on pornography? President Carter and his sister were in with Flynt; Carter's nephew was in prison and friends with Charles Manson, and comes out, and writes a book.and then Billy Beer..but when Manson threatened to murder Ms. Lillian, little Willie Spann dropped the game plan. What kind of peple are these? Carter makes his entrance in Playboy Magazine and his sister hooks up to Larry Flynt, and his nephew chumming with Charlie Manson, in prison Seems this stuff is all in the family but cui bono. Somebody wants reparations? Maybe I will sue for being denied a father whose only crime, was being patriotic..poison gas, mustard gas, was result of his death and it was illegal to use in warwho made that stuff...nobody built a shrine to him or the other 55 million people who died because of WWIIand then came the plague..Death always follows death. Reparations from Catholic Church - be sure the right people get it...imagine Lieberman's wife has put in a bid for some of it. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.co
