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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Baylor College is heavily CIA connected. Implicated in GWS conspiracy, and others. It's also near the military base where the delta-murder commandos that were illegally sic'd on American citizens @waco were based. Based on the high level of unmitigated trash posted by shannon, I'd say this one is par for the shannon course. Get a clue, budman. Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 2/29/00 9:11:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. Hmmm...I'll try though you'll dispute the source (undoubtedly)... PRELIMINARY STATEMENT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON WACO Bruce Duncan Perry, M.D., Ph.D. The Child Trauma Programs A Partnership of: Baylor College of Medicine and Texas Children's Hospital *This is an Academy version of testimony of Dr. B.D. Perry, before the Subcommitee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice of the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and the Subcommittee on Crime of the Committee on the Judiciary at the Oversight Hearings on Federal Law Enforcement Conduct in Relation to the Branch Davidian Compound near Waco, Texas, and appended documents, Congressional Record, July, 1995. ABUSIVE CHILDREARING PRACTICES AT RANCH APOCALYPSE Destructive characteristics of this setting included undermining traditional parent-child relationships by David Koresh. Attachments to parent figures were continually undermined and replaced with inappropriate dependence upon a central figure, David Koresh. Continuous undermining of other relationships, including sibling relationships, husband and wife relationships, and friendships was pervasive. Any attachment judged to be more important to an individual than the attachment to God or David was undermined. By 1992, these children were taught to view David Koresh as their father, and later, these children were taught to consider David as God (see slides). In the context of this evolving theology, Koresh's views became increasingly restrictive, unpredictable and harsh for the children living at Ranch Apocalypse (see Attachment 7). These children had a set of inappropriate and age-inappropriate behaviors and significant gaps in general understanding, reflecting the idiosyncratic teaching practices present in the compound. For example, very young children, including a six year old girl, knew an incredible amount about weapons, while they knew almost nothing about other common age-appropriate concepts. In one example, we had a room with a variety of toys, including a small bolt action toy rifle. Invariably, in the first visit to the room, each child first went over and picked up the rifle. In one interview, a young girl went over, picked up the rifle, pulled the bolt back, looked down the barrel and said with disgust, "This isn't a real gun." It is clear that these children were significantly traumatized by previous harsh and inappropriate disciplinary techniques including severe corporal punishment, extended isolation (overnight), severe food restrictions and separation from primary caretakers. These children were continually exposed to harsh, capricious, and humiliating disciplinary techniques. Children expected to be beaten for events such as spilling milk. Infants were severely spanked for 'misbehaving'. In addition, these children were threatened with death if they revealed aspects of life inside the compound to the 'non-believers'. As is typical when an abusive adult threatens a child, they were told that 'they will not understand our special ways'. These children were convinced that David Koresh would return from the grave and punish them if they betrayed the Davidians by interacting with, or disclosing to, the 'bad guys' (law enforcement, non-believers, 'Babylonians'). Koresh was exploitive and manipulative of these children and exposing them to a variety of inappropriate sexual content -- such as graphically describing intercourse and sexual 'technique' in his hours-long sermons where children were present. Furthermore, the girls were socialized to believe that sex with Koresh, by age 12 (and earlier), was normative, appropriate, and, indeed, desirable -- being part of God's plan as revealed to David. All of the young girls were being prepared to be David's wives and that was a healthy and desired position to be in. One of the older girls expressed distress, now that she had been released from the compound, that she would not be able to be picked by David as one of his brides. Clear and compelling disclosure of sexual abuse o
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I agree. I have lived here in Waco for the last three years studying the teachings of David Koresh. The major players involved at the decision making level were from Baylor. If you look at its beginning and the writings of Braun in the "Iconoclast" you will see the filth on which this cesspool was founded. And what can come from a cesspool but scum! It is said in Waco, by Sam Naive, an historian in his eighties that "Baylor is the registration center for all those destined for hell". :-) Andrew -Original Message- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, March 04, 2000 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Baylor College is heavily CIA connected. Implicated in GWS conspiracy, and others. It's also near the military base where the delta-murder commandos that were illegally sic'd on American citizens @waco were based. Based on the high level of unmitigated trash posted by shannon, I'd say this one is par for the shannon course. Get a clue, budman. Dave Hartley http://www.asheville-computer.com/dave -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 2/29/00 9:11:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. Hmmm...I'll try though you'll dispute the source (undoubtedly)... PRELIMINARY STATEMENT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON WACO Bruce Duncan Perry, M.D., Ph.D. The Child Trauma Programs A Partnership of: Baylor College of Medicine and Texas Children's Hospital *This is an Academy version of testimony of Dr. B.D. Perry, before the Subcommitee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice of the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and the Subcommittee on Crime of the Committee on the Judiciary at the Oversight Hearings on Federal Law Enforcement Conduct in Relation to the Branch Davidian Compound near Waco, Texas, and appended documents, Congressional Record, July, 1995. ABUSIVE CHILDREARING PRACTICES AT RANCH APOCALYPSE Destructive characteristics of this setting included undermining traditional parent-child relationships by David Koresh. Attachments to parent figures were continually undermined and replaced with inappropriate dependence upon a central figure, David Koresh. Continuous undermining of other relationships, including sibling relationships, husband and wife relationships, and friendships was pervasive. Any attachment judged to be more important to an individual than the attachment to God or David was undermined. By 1992, these children were taught to view David Koresh as their father, and later, these children were taught to consider David as God (see slides). In the context of this evolving theology, Koresh's views became increasingly restrictive, unpredictable and harsh for the children living at Ranch Apocalypse (see Attachment 7). These children had a set of inappropriate and age-inappropriate behaviors and significant gaps in general understanding, reflecting the idiosyncratic teaching practices present in the compound. For example, very young children, including a six year old girl, knew an incredible amount about weapons, while they knew almost nothing about other common age-appropriate concepts. In one example, we had a room with a variety of toys, including a small bolt action toy rifle. Invariably, in the first visit to the room, each child first went over and picked up the rifle. In one interview, a young girl went over, picked up the rifle, pulled the bolt back, looked down the barrel and said with disgust, "This isn't a real gun." It is clear that these children were significantly traumatized by previous harsh and inappropriate disciplinary techniques including severe corporal punishment, extended isolation (overnight), severe food restrictions and separation from primary caretakers. These children were continually exposed to harsh, capricious, and humiliating disciplinary techniques. Children expected to be beaten for events such as spilling milk. Infants were severely spanked for 'misbehaving'. In addition, these children were threatened with death if they revealed aspects of life inside the compound to the 'non-believers'. As is typical when an abusive adult threatens a child, they were told that 'they will not understand our special ways'. These children were convinced that David Koresh would return from the grave and punish them if they betrayed the Davidians by interacting with, or disclosing to, the 'bad guys' (law enforcement, non-believers, 'Babylonians'). Koresh wa
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- This is one person/source. There are many who say the children were not treated badly and that this is untrue. Undoubtedly there are others that would concur with this source. I am just curious as to how you or anyone who was not living in the compound could know which of these opinions to believe so positively. IMHO, I do not think this can be proven either way except possibly by the survivors and not even there does one find a consensus. I am reluctant to accept the "official" storyline on this as self-serving. Que bono, indeed. Gottta work the children into the necessity for an armed assault. Otherwise, looks bad for launching this type of assault on a compound known to be full of children and subsequently killing them one and all. In a message dated 2/29/00 9:11:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. Hmmm...I'll try though you'll dispute the source (undoubtedly)... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- We have never referred to a "CHURCH" as a compound until me were taught to do so by the media which is fully under the control of the Bill Clinton Murderers of The Children of Waco. The *EVIDENCE* shows that the government use this story to justify the tank attack on a "CHURCH". Andrew -Original Message- From: Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- This is one person/source. There are many who say the children were not treated badly and that this is untrue. Undoubtedly there are others that would concur with this source. I am just curious as to how you or anyone who was not living in the compound could know which of these opinions to believe so positively. IMHO, I do not think this can be proven either way except possibly by the survivors and not even there does one find a consensus. I am reluctant to accept the "official" storyline on this as self-serving. Que bono, indeed. Gottta work the children into the necessity for an armed assault. Otherwise, looks bad for launching this type of assault on a compound known to be full of children and subsequently killing them one and all. In a message dated 2/29/00 9:11:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. Hmmm...I'll try though you'll dispute the source (undoubtedly)... A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 2/29/00 9:11:58 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bill, Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. Hmmm...I'll try though you'll dispute the source (undoubtedly)... PRELIMINARY STATEMENT CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS ON WACO Bruce Duncan Perry, M.D., Ph.D. The Child Trauma Programs A Partnership of: Baylor College of Medicine and Texas Children's Hospital *This is an Academy version of testimony of Dr. B.D. Perry, before the Subcommitee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice of the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight and the Subcommittee on Crime of the Committee on the Judiciary at the Oversight Hearings on Federal Law Enforcement Conduct in Relation to the Branch Davidian Compound near Waco, Texas, and appended documents, Congressional Record, July, 1995. ABUSIVE CHILDREARING PRACTICES AT RANCH APOCALYPSE Destructive characteristics of this setting included undermining traditional parent-child relationships by David Koresh. Attachments to parent figures were continually undermined and replaced with inappropriate dependence upon a central figure, David Koresh. Continuous undermining of other relationships, including sibling relationships, husband and wife relationships, and friendships was pervasive. Any attachment judged to be more important to an individual than the attachment to God or David was undermined. By 1992, these children were taught to view David Koresh as their father, and later, these children were taught to consider David as God (see slides). In the context of this evolving theology, Koresh's views became increasingly restrictive, unpredictable and harsh for the children living at Ranch Apocalypse (see Attachment 7). These children had a set of inappropriate and age-inappropriate behaviors and significant gaps in general understanding, reflecting the idiosyncratic teaching practices present in the compound. For example, very young children, including a six year old girl, knew an incredible amount about weapons, while they knew almost nothing about other common age-appropriate concepts. In one example, we had a room with a variety of toys, including a small bolt action toy rifle. Invariably, in the first visit to the room, each child first went over and picked up the rifle. In one interview, a young girl went over, picked up the rifle, pulled the bolt back, looked down the barrel and said with disgust, "This isn't a real gun." It is clear that these children were significantly traumatized by previous harsh and inappropriate disciplinary techniques including severe corporal punishment, extended isolation (overnight), severe food restrictions and separation from primary caretakers. These children were continually exposed to harsh, capricious, and humiliating disciplinary techniques. Children expected to be beaten for events such as spilling milk. Infants were severely spanked for 'misbehaving'. In addition, these children were threatened with death if they revealed aspects of life inside the compound to the 'non-believers'. As is typical when an abusive adult threatens a child, they were told that 'they will not understand our special ways'. These children were convinced that David Koresh would return from the grave and punish them if they betrayed the Davidians by interacting with, or disclosing to, the 'bad guys' (law enforcement, non-believers, 'Babylonians'). Koresh was exploitive and manipulative of these children and exposing them to a variety of inappropriate sexual content -- such as graphically describing intercourse and sexual 'technique' in his hours-long sermons where children were present. Furthermore, the girls were socialized to believe that sex with Koresh, by age 12 (and earlier), was normative, appropriate, and, indeed, desirable -- being part of God's plan as revealed to David. All of the young girls were being prepared to be David's wives and that was a healthy and desired position to be in. One of the older girls expressed distress, now that she had been released from the compound, that she would not be able to be picked by David as one of his brides. Clear and compelling disclosure of sexual abuse of a 10 year old child by David Koresh was obtained during this time. This child had left the compound in the year prior to assault. The nature of the disclosure, the content and detail of the abuse all were very consistent with the content of sexual beliefs which were shared with our team by many of the 21 released children. These children were significantly exploited, manipulated and exposed to a variety of inappropriate experiences and deprived of other normative experiences. These children were very rarely given the opportunity to be independent and when they did make any independent decisions about any aspect of their lives, including things as small as choosing what they would eat, who they would sit
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THE EVENTS AT WACO: AN INTERPRETIVE LOG by James D. Tabor A careful reading of this chronology makes clear some rather significant and startling conclusions. Notice the various periods in which there were people being let out of the Mt. Carmel Center--once this seemed to stop, and David Koresh's position became firm about not coming out until he heard from God, the FBI began to significantly toughen its stance. You can see this in particular from March 15th on, and even though significant numbers of people exited (7 on March 21st alone), the tactical side of the FBI kept stepping up the pressure, harassment, threats, and so forth. Note also they totally gave up on David's ``Bible Babble,'' early on, and never understood that such was actually the only substantive channel of negotiation. Also, note how absolutely consistent David Koresh is, utterly to the end. He holds out, against all pressures, for his ``word from God.'' Yet when he finally gets it, it is not even given a moment's attention. Even when things began to move very positively with the visits of the lawyers on March 29-April 4th, the FBI became only deafened to what was going on and hardened its positions and actions. Their independent plans for the CS GAS attack, which were begun as early as March 22nd, the very day they had their get tough'' strategy meeting, had moved to a fast pace by April 9th, and it became clear that this was going to be the outcome--regardless of what else was going on. The experts'' who evaluated the letters which were sent out on April 9, 10, 11, and 14th are much to blame for this whole matter, and are obviously unqualified when it comes to Biblical materials. They reinforced completely the FBI's impression that David's Biblical ideas were crazy, incoherent, and psychotic, that he was not coming out. What Dr. Phillip Arnold and Dr. James Tabor had done with their tapes, and through consultations with Dick DeGuerin, the very strategy that was working and getting a positive, coherent, and totally rational response from Koresh, was lost somehow in the background. It was actually the only coherent negotiation strategy'' pursued in the whole episode, and it was working. Sunday, February 28 9:30am BATF assault on Mt. Carmel Center (MtCC). 9:48am 911 call made by BD Wayne Martin pleading that they call them back, stop firing. Justice Department Report does not mention time of call, later classifies the whole affair an ambush by the BD. 11:00am FBI Agent Jeff Jamar notified in San Antonio, negotiators requested. Agent Byron Sage sent, gets on 911 line by 2:00 p.m. Texas Rangers arrive (32 within few days), to lead criminal investigation. FBI role to be limited to ending standoff. US Attorneys also arrive, two of which (Johnston Phinizy) had assisted with initial warrants, to immediately work on case against BD, with homicide and assault charges formulated immediately. 4:00pm Koresh message broadcast over KRLD. Repeated twice. 4:55pm Gun fight: Mike Schroeder shot, Delroy Nash arrested, Robert Kendrick escaped, but later caught. They had been at Mag Bag at time of raid. 8:00pm CNN carried live telephone interview with Koresh. FBI told them not to conduct any more. By 10pm Four children exit(2 Sonobe; 2 Fagan) Monday, March 1 Clinton informed by Acting AG Stuart Gerson, told strategy was negotiation, not tactical-- he was to be informed of any change to tactical resolution. Gerson states the FBI policy is to talk them out, no matter how long it takes. FBI HRT begins arriving. Two phone lines left open--calls out to FBI only. 6:00pm Armored vehicles moved into inner perimeter. Koresh very upset over phone lines being cut and restricted and armored vehicles coming in. Ten children exit by 11:00pm (4 Wendel; 3 Mabb; 1 Schroeder; 1 Martin; 1 Silvia). Koresh promised to come out after a taped message played nationwide. Tuesday, March 2 1:20am Two children exit (Nobrega; Vaega) 8:10am Two adults; two children exit (Margaret Lawson, 75; Catherine Matteson, 77; 2 Martins). 1:30pm Koresh Message played over KRLD and CBN Network 6:00pm Koresh reports God had told him to WAIT, he was not coming out until he received additional order from God. Wednesday, March 3 Two elderly women released the previous day are charged with attempted murder; BD very upset; FBI got charges dropped. 12:40pm Koresh preaching (1 hour). All is up to his Father now, he must wait. He would still keep his word and surrender when God told him it was time. Request to speak with Robert Rodriquez denied Body of Michael Schroeder recovered by agents 2:49pm Koresh preaching(1 hour). FBI REPORTS IT RAMBLED, MADE LITTLE SENSE, WAS ALL ABOUT UNLOCKING THE SEVEN SEALS AND THE END OF THE WORLD. 4:26pm One child exits with puppies (Jones) 9:40pm Koresh
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So now this Ali character, who was booted from the AGENDAS list for SPAMMING it with Waco nonsense is here to SPAM us...Yippee... I might set the delete key on auto... Ali has described this spamming as "his work"...too bad he's decided to ply his trade here... Where is Frazier or Norton (even Spinks) when ya' need him? Bill. So Ali, you never did answer the reason for your obsession with a child rapist/killer, nor the proof of his divinity...Is Koresh a messiah? Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Billy boy I mean Casper... As I pointed out yesterday it is you and others that are obsessed with the sexual issues. That are as I have said non existent except in your libido. If you are so concerned with sexual issues why don't you call for the impeachment of the Murderer of the Children of Waco..Bill Clinton he is a freak that you could spend hours titillating yourself with. Yes David Koresh was the Christ that will destroy this country and the pigs that support it. Read Isa. 45. You Casper and the sow you work for will soon know who it is that rules this world. Fear God! you fool. Andrew So Ali, you never did answer the reason for your obsession with a child rapist/killer, nor the proof of his divinity...Is Koresh a messiah? Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 2/29/00 8:03:20 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes David Koresh was the Christ that will destroy this country and the pigs that support it. Read Isa. 45. OK, as long as THAT is out in the open... BTW, personal attacks...a no-no. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Day by Day
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Bill, Please cite your proof that Koresh was a child murder/rapist. Amelia - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Day by Day -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- So now this Ali character, who was booted from the AGENDAS list for SPAMMING it with Waco nonsense is here to SPAM us...Yippee... I might set the delete key on auto... Ali has described this spamming as "his work"...too bad he's decided to ply his trade here... Where is Frazier or Norton (even Spinks) when ya' need him? Bill. So Ali, you never did answer the reason for your obsession with a child rapist/killer, nor the proof of his divinity...Is Koresh a messiah? Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Day by Day
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- If I might quote from the credo of this list as added to the end of each post, "Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! " and as Bill mentioned I believe that personal attacks "Billy boy I mean Casper... You Casper and the sow you work for ...you fool." and I do quote you here )have always been a no-no. At least they were when I belonged to this list before. I certainly hope that the calibre has not changed through your presence here. Tara a.k.a. Ali's Terror A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
