Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu
Apparently that can be a pretty serious item that should bear prior confirmation. I just think this shows poor judgment but at least no one can say he was discriminating against Jones on the bases of her physical attributes. :) ha, ha! More PC problems. Yes, it would be interesting to know what happened after that but I do not really want to know. With so little time left in office, perhaps we shall be spared that at least. And I will concede that you are correct in that I am putting myself in her place and being outraged which she did not express at the time. Maybe she was, maybe not. But the whole thing comes under the heading of "goofy behavior" which I suspect we will be seeing more and more of as time marches along. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu cWhat the police hadn't taken into consideration was that Paula didn't > do oral sex. Apparently the Gov took that in stride and told her he didn't > want her to do anything she didn't want to do. Nobody ever said, did they go > back out for another woman or did they just the frustrated Gov back to his > residence. Interesting thought, isn't it. There must be a woman out there > with a whole new story for the next round of investigations. They seem to go > on and on. Prudy > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu
In a message dated 09/07/2000 10:23:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Prudy, Some women are offended if a man exposes his penis to them and makes suggestions as to what they should do with it. I tend to be that way myself. Actual touching is not always required to offend everybody. If it were, flashers would have no fun. I do not personally see why he would have been interested in this particular female in the first place--must have been a slow day--but this has to be one of the stupidest things the man ever did. And that goes on to reflect on his judgment or lack thereof. Amelia >> Yes well and I'll bet that the local State Police have never come up to you and said "Hey Sweetie, the Gov's in a bad way and wonders if you would like to come up and relieve his tensions." And that's because in the average city, the police know exactly who does what and with whom and probably for how much if he or she is a professional. They would never approach someone who was not approachable. Since Paula was known as a girl who "got around," and who had even circulated some rather pornographic pictures of herself, they went to her to make the offer. A man expecting a really easy woman to come by his hotel room is not going to buy flowers and start courting. I don't know if he exposed himself to her, but under the circumstances it might have happened. Probably not quite in the manner she later described. When she spoke to her sister afterwards, she did not appear shocked or outraged at all. What the police hadn't taken into consideration was that Paula didn't do oral sex. Apparently the Gov took that in stride and told her he didn't want her to do anything she didn't want to do. Nobody ever said, did they go back out for another woman or did they just the frustrated Gov back to his residence. Interesting thought, isn't it. There must be a woman out there with a whole new story for the next round of investigations. They seem to go on and on. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu
Prudy, Some women are offended if a man exposes his penis to them and makes suggestions as to what they should do with it. I tend to be that way myself. Actual touching is not always required to offend everybody. If it were, flashers would have no fun. I do not personally see why he would have been interested in this particular female in the first place--must have been a slow day--but this has to be one of the stupidest things the man ever did. And that goes on to reflect on his judgment or lack thereof. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu Doesn't that mean he didn't touch her? Wasn't she only ripped > because someone dared to ask her and that she didn't get flowers for > secretary day? Prudy > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu
In a message dated 09/01/2000 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << man who "never touched that woman" >> There's been so much "deja vu" that I get confused. Wasn't it Paula Jones he said that about? And since she didn't do that, and since he said something to the tune of "okay, honey. I wouldn't want you to do anything you didn't want to do." Doesn't that mean he didn't touch her? Wasn't she only ripped because someone dared to ask her and that she didn't get flowers for secretary day? Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu
Have you noticed.Clintono has returned from Columbia and he takes Chelsie with him as a shield I think.anyway his nose is getting biggeer again, just like Pinnochio - when he told a big lie, his nose grew .. They also caught him without all that garbage on his face he uses to make him appear younger, and he looked like something left over from last nites beer blast. So..Deja Vu? Someday his nose is just going to drop off. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja Vu
From http://www.antiwar.com/justin/pf/p-j090100.html }}>Begin Behind the Headlines by Justin Raimondo Antiwar.com September 1, 2000 COLOMBIA THE DEJA VU WAR Lying comes easily to some people, and none find it more effortless than William Jefferson Clinton, who has elevated dissimulation to an art form. In Cartagena yesterday, with the Washington power elite in tow, and Colombian President Andres Pastrana at his side, the man who "never touched that woman" stuck out his fat lower lip and declared: "A condition of this aid is that we are not going to get into a shooting war. This is not Vietnam; neither is it Yankee imperialism. Those are the two false charges that have been hurled against Plan Colombia. You have a perfect right to question whether you think it will work or whether you think we've properly distributed the resources. But I can assure you a lot of the opposition to this plan is coming from people who are afraid it will work. So that won't happen." THE INVERSION PRINCIPLE In order to find out what is really going on in Colombia, all we have to do is invert what the President said: The aid will, in and of itself, drag us into a shooting war, since drugs and civil insurrection are, in Colombia, inextricably intertwined. Secondly, the parallels with Vietnam are enough to qualify this as the Deja-Vu War. Not only does this conflict come complete with Marxist revolutionaries, impenetrable jungles, and a country long victimized by foreign domination, but its unwinnability has been determined from the very outset. . . . THE YOGI BERRA PRINCIPLE While we had no business intervening in Southeast Asia Eisenhower started it once in there the US did everything it could to ensure the defeat of its ostensible war on Communism. The Vietnamese anti-Communist forces, represented by President Ngo Dinh Diem, were opposed, undermined, and finally overthrown by the US government: the assassination of President Diem is today widely acknowledged to have been a US covert operation. Diem, a Catholic in a nation of Buddhists, was the bane of radicalized Buddhist monks, who periodically set themselves on fire whenever they wanted to garner the attention of the Western media. It was an effective tactic, one that led, eventually, to a US-organized coup, and also to Diem's death at the coup plotters' hands. Diem had paid the price for taking President Kennedy at his word. If the US had really been interested in fighting Communism in Vietnam, they would have backed Diem to the hilt; instead, they had him murdered. In Colombia, it's deja vu all over again, as Yogi Berra would say. Once again, the only force that is capable of rolling back leftist guerrillas on the ground has been targeted for destruction by the US. . . . THE REAL TARGET OF "PLAN COLOMBIA" The Autodefensas, or autonomous self-defense groups that are known in the Western media as "rightwing paramilitary groups," grew up in the 1980s, when the wave of kidnappings launched by leftist guerrilla groups began to demoralize (and decimate the ranks of) the middle class: small business owners, ranchers; even the drug traffickers, some of whom by this time had achieved middle class status, were being terrorized. Aside from the kidnappings, competing leftist guerrilla armies were preying on the peasants, looting stores, and exacting "taxes" from a populace it couldn't even protect from the scourges of the army, which would periodically sweep into town and execute suspected guerrilla sympathizers. War often broke out between competing leftist factions, with civilians caught in the crossfire. The autodefensas sprang up in response to the inability or unwillingness of the central government in Bogota to offer the least amount of protection. Although the pro-leftist media likes to characterize them as moral monsters, and as little more than agents of the Colombian military, their leaders are often defectors from the ranks of the guerrillas who saw through the Marxoid rhetoric and realized that the FARC, the ELN, the EPL, and the others were just marauding gangs, out for power and loot. The campesinos themselves organized the self-defense committees, which merged into the Autodefensas Unidas Colombia (AUC). Their power base is in the north, where the AUC counts most of the biggest ranchers among its supporters. Consciously emulating the leftist groups, the autodefensas have waged a relentless war against the guerrillas and have generally been much more effective than the army. It has been widely remarked that the FARC and the other leftist revolutionary groups control about half the country: what is generally not said is that the autodefensas control the other half. They are the main bulwark against the final victory of the Left and as a result, they have been targeted by the US. For it is they who will wind up being the main targets of "Plan Colombia." . . . "DEATH TO KIDNAPPERS" We are not in Colombia to fight Marxist insurgents, in spite of the nos
[CTRL] Deja Vu, Deja vu?
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.centraleurope.com/ > Budapest Backs Autonomy Plan For Serbia's Ethnic Hungarians > > BUDAPEST, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Agence France Presse) Hungarian Prime > Minister Viktor Orban said Wednesday he backs an autonomy plan > proposed by a 300,000-member ethnic Hungarian minority in Serbia, > following the Kosovo crisis. > > He called for agreement on the status of the Hungarian community in > the northern Serbian province of Vojvodina. > > "I can see a realistic chance for an accord on the situation of the > Vojvodina Hungarians as well, in the framework of the Kosovo > settlement," Orban told state radio. > > He welcomed the fact that Vojvodina Hungarians had worked out a > concrete autonomy plan. "To win the support of Western decision-makers > for these ideas is the duty and responsibility of the Hungarian > government," he said. > > Budapest has been seriously concerned about the impact of the Kosovo > crisis on the Vojvodina Hungarians. Hungary joined NATO shortly before > Operation Allied Force began on March 24. > > Vojvodina Hungrian community leader Jozsef Kasza said in Budapest last > week that the autonomy plan was jointly worked out by Vojvodina ethnic > Hungarian and Hungarian government experts. > > Orban warned that large numbers of Serb settlers could flood into the > Vojvodina after the Kosovo conflict, citing a similar effect following > the 1991-95 Bosnian war. > > "The 250,000 Serb refugees who settled there considerably spoilt the > interest-safeguarding capacity of the Vojvodina Hungarians." > > "It is a realistic danger that the events of three years ago (after > the Bosnian war) could be repeated in the Vojvodina, although in a > less dramatic form," he added. > > Ethnic Hungarians currently represent some 18 percent of the > population of the Vojvodina, a province which enjoyed considerable > autonomy before Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic scrapped it in > 1991. ((c) 1999 Agence France Presse) <> > U.S. Military Data Cartridge Found On Hungarian Trash Heap > > BUDAPEST, Jun 17, 1999 -- (Reuters) A classified U.S. military data > cartridge has been found in a scrapyard in Budapest, the U.S. embassy > in Budapest confirmed Wednesday. > > The cartridge, labeled "Secret, U.S. Government Property", was found > in a metal case closed with a digital lock, and was wrapped in a > mailbag of the U.S. Defense Department, according to news reports. > > "U.S. government property marked secret has been found," an embassy > official confirmed to AFP, declining to give further details. > > The cartridge was found by a worker in a scrapyard that collects metal > from around the Taszar airbase in southern Hungary, used by U.S. > troops. He took it to a Hungarian TV station, which passed it on to > the U.S. embassy. > > The station broadcast a report on the find, showing the Walkman-sized > silver and black cartridge, on which could also be read the > inscription "This medium is classified protected from unauthorized > disclosure in compliance with applicable executive orders, statutes > and regulations." > > The bag also contained two keys and the password necessary for > decoding the message on the Colorado DT-1000 type data cartridge, > according to the TV2 private television station. > > But experts, who estimated that the cartridge had been discarded 12-18 > months ago, said it was unlikely non-experts could retrieve the > information stored in the cartridge. > > "The person who stored the keys and the password alongside the > cartridge failed to respect the most basic rules of secrecy," expert > Janos Kis told AFP. > > The keys, which must be inserted into a special decoder, and the > secret password which must be typed in to decode the information on > the cartridge, should not be stored together, he explained. > > "But it is highly unlikely that any device used by civilians in > Hungary could decode or read the data cartridge," Kis said. > > The Taszar base has operated since 1995 as a supply base for US troops > in the International Forces (IFOR), then Stabilization Forces (SFOR) > peacekeeping forces in Bosnia. From May this year, U.S. marines used > it for bombing mission in neighboring Yugoslavia. > > The TV station involved blacked out the faces of all U.S. officials > involved, in its report on the find. ((c) 1999 Reuters) A<>E<>R ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + A merely fallen enemy may rise again, but the reconciled one is truly vanquished. -Johann Christoph Schiller, German Writer (1759-1805) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + It is preoccupation with possessions, more than anything else, that prevents us from living freely and nobly. -Bertrand Russell + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Everyone has the right...to
