Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Nicola Molloy wrote: I got it from a Dutch person And my Dutch relatives express a totally different viewpoint...so I suspect that the Netherland public does NOT present the unilateral viewpoint you suggest, but just like any society, have proponents and opponents articles in the local paper over the years which I have saved. My Dutch friend committed suicide a few years ago, Which suggests your friend had a singularly pessimistic outlook on life... she was only about 40 but just had enough of life. Her mother didn't think it was a great idea. Which age do you draw the line for - suicide at 40 or voluntary euthanasia at 50? Not much difference really is there? There is a world of difference between someone who is only depressed with life taking their life (altho I believe anyone who is an adult has the right to do so, but I would counsel them to seek counseling first to make sure that is really what they want to do), and an adult who has an incurable illness not wishing to prolong the inevitable. One's age doesn't matter, as long as one is of sound mind and of legal majority... Death is part of lifethat's the bottomline fact, and you can't get around it. The only control one has -- or SHOULD have -- is whether one shuffles off this mortal coil with a modicum of dignity, or is forced to endure the torture of progressive debility and pain, draining the financial, physical, and emotional resources of loved ones. If a person WANTS to endure all that, fine...but they should have the CHOICE to opt not to... If I have a dog that is suffering from cancer, there comes a time when it is felt that it is CRUEL to keep that animal alive, and that the best thing for the pet, the KINDEST thing to do, is to put it to sleep... And yet if _I_ am suffering from that same cancer, I am not given that same option...seems strange that what is considered CRUEL to subject a pet to, is considered the 'best' option for human beings... And BTW, please remove all the irrelevant portions of old posts that you're including in your replies...it wastes bandwidth. June *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: You're right. It could get out of hand. As do abuses in nursing homes mentally deficient. There have to be controls. Still, I recall my father's last weeks, and I wouldn't put an animal through what he went through. As I stated in my other post, for some reason we subject our loved ones to something that we'd deem 'cruel' to subject our pets to...strange... I remember a few days before my Dutch grandfather died, he'd gestured to my mother (his daughter), because he was then incapable of speaking, other than gasping a word or two -- he gestured for her to get his gun and shoot him; needless to say, my mother didn't...but how much more dignified for my dying grandfather if his doctor could have given him an injection to 'put him to sleep' BEFORE my grandfather had gotten to the point where he no longer wnated to take another breath... You could see it in his eyes, that he thought continuing on this level of existence was beyond his endurance, and more than he wanted to bear...or subject his family to... BTW, when my mother shook her head 'no' to her father's gesture, he gathered enough strength to speak -- I think perhaps he thought she hadn't understood -- and gasped his request, finishing with the word 'burden'...he wanted to die at that moment so that he wouldn't be a burden (which he had often stated, when he was well, was something he considered a fate worse than death)... He died two days later, suffering not only physical pain but emotional agony...how I wish something could have been done way before then, to make his passing less painful on BOTH levels for him... My grandfather was more a father to me than my own father...I loved him deeply, and my desire to 'hasten' his passing had nothing to do with inheriting anything he left behind...to this day, I wish he was alive. But BECAUSE I love him so dearly, I wish we could have given him the same injection my mother gave a dog in the same condition, because it's considered KIND to put a dog to sleep when it's suffering... It is only right that doctors be authorized to allow those for whom there is only suffering to slip away quietly. There HAS been a law in the Netherlands for years, which allowed those who were suffering from terminal illnesses to sign a contract with their doctors, authorizing the doctor to euthanize them at a certain point in the futureit was always up to the patient and the doctor, never the family members. I think what the furor is currently about is an ALTERATION in that law, which will now allow doctors to make that decision even if there hasn't been a prior contract with the patient... But voluntary euthanasia is NOT something new to the Dutch...it's been a fact of life for over a decade... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
[CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- Tuesday August 10, 10:52 PM Dutch to legalise euthanasia-even for 12-year-olds By Karen Iley AMSTERDAM, Aug 10 - The Netherlands plans to make history by legalising mercy killings in a controversial government bill that would also make children as young as 12 eligible for euthanasia. The bill, delivered to the lower house on Monday, proposes immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors provided they follow strict guidelines when performing euthanasia. The law would also apply to incurably ill young children, so long as the parents agree. In exceptional circumstances, a doctor could perform euthenasia even without parental consent. "In the case of 12 to 15 year olds the consent of the parents or guardian is required, but in the event of refusal... a minor's request may nevertheless be met if the doctor is convinced this would prevent serious detriment to the patient," the Justice and Health (LSE: sUB44.L - news) ministries said. The bill also recognises for the first time the validity of written requests to die. Both the Voluntary Euthanasia Society (NVVE) and the Royal Dutch Medical Association (KNMG) welcomed the development, which removes already liberal Dutch policy from a legal grey area. "After more than 25 years of discussion there will be legislation for death at one's own request. This is a significant step in the right direction," the NVVE said. Political opposition was expected from the main opposition Christian Democrats and small Calvinist parties. But provided the three government parties unite behind the bill, its passage through parliament should be smooth. The Dutch have tolerated mercy killings for years, but right-to-die campaigners and doctors have long pressed for immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors. In 1997, a doctor was charged with murder after allegedly ignoring euthanasia guidelines when he injected a patient with a fatal dose of insulin. The KNMG said cases of terminally-ill children requesting death were few and the vital dialogue and relationship between doctor, patient and family would remain. "The doctor will do his utmost to try to reach an agreement between patient and parents," said Karin Hagelstein, KNMG spokeswoman. "If there is no unanimous agreement, then it is the doctor's duty to fulfill the wishes of the patient." "Doctors find that children who have gone through such a long and tragic illness are capable of making their own decisions. A child which has entered the last terminal phase can be very clear about what he or she wants. They've seen a lot, they're tired. If parents don't want to cooperate it is the doctor's duty to respect the wishes of their patient," she said. In all cases, doctors must adhere strictly to guidelines. The patient, who must be facing unbearable suffering, must make the request on a voluntary, well-considered and sustained basis. Their must be no reasonable alternative and the doctor must give advice on the patient's situation and consequences. The doctor must also consult at least one other independent physician who also agrees with the due care requirements, and the euthanasia must be performed with due medical care. Regional committees, set up in 1997, will continue to review whether these criteria have been met. The NVVE, while welcoming the bill as a whole, criticised some of the criteria as either too vague or too tough and said doctors therefore remained vulnerable to prosecution. The only previous attempt to legalise euthanasia was in September 1996 when Australia's Northern Territory approved medically-assisted euthanasia only to see the law revoked in March 1997. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/12/1999 3:28:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AMSTERDAM, Aug 10 - The Netherlands plans to make history by legalising mercy killings in a controversial government bill that would also make children as young as 12 eligible for euthanasia. The bill, delivered to the lower house on Monday, proposes immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors provided they follow strict guidelines when performing euthanasia. At last people are to be allowed to die peacefully and with dignity. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- Hi Prudy, I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. I guess with the fight for space it is practical. Could get out of hand don't you think? Nicky "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/12/1999 3:28:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AMSTERDAM, Aug 10 - The Netherlands plans to make history by legalising mercy killings in a controversial government bill that would also make children as young as 12 eligible for euthanasia. The bill, delivered to the lower house on Monday, proposes immunity from criminal prosecution for doctors provided they follow strict guidelines when performing euthanasia. At last people are to be allowed to die peacefully and with dignity. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- On 13 Aug 99, at 12:36, Nicola Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. The old people who remain are also afraid of their doctors. They never know whether their loving family members may have them involuntarily euthanised. Kathleen "The self-righteous unnecessary lie, the implausible explanation, the irrelevant argument -- all pure Clinton." --Michael Barone DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, K wrote: On 13 Aug 99, at 12:36, Nicola Molloy wrote: I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. The old people who remain are also afraid of their doctors. They never know whether their loving family members may have them involuntarily euthanised. I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... None of my Dutch relatives feel the way you describe, and indeed always have thought of voluntary euthanasia the civilized thing, and welcome the chance to make that choice for themselves...and have never feared that it would be forced upon them by others I share their opinion, and would rather be 'put down' than spend out my days in a nursing home... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- Hi Kathleen, Maybe they would like the money left to them too. I wouldn't like to be old there and I suppose the cost of the rest homes would eat away the finance. The old person may feel guilty not leaving the rellies anything and say I'll go now and you can benefit. What a horrible dilemma to be in, feeling guilty for being a burden too possibly. nicky The old people who remain are also afraid of their doctors. They never know whether their loving family members may have them involuntarily euthanised. Kathleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia
-Caveat Lector- Hi June, I got it from a Dutch person and there have been a few full pages articles in the local paper over the years which I have saved. My Dutch friend committed suicide a few years ago, she was only about 40 but just had enough of life. Her mother didn't think it was a great idea. Which age do you draw the line for - suicide at 40 or voluntary euthanasia at 50? Not much difference really is there? Nicky I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... None of my Dutch relatives feel the way you describe, and indeed always have thought of voluntary euthanasia the civilized thing, and welcome the chance to make that choice for themselves...and have never feared that it would be forced upon them by others I share their opinion, and would rather be 'put down' than spend out my days in a nursing home... June ;-) *===* Kite So many things you want to see And as you ask I'll set you free But as you fly You'll touch the sky And touch the heart Within me Fly away. -- Bob Childs *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Hope this doesn't turn out to be a duplicate. My ISP has been a little flaky recently - never know whether a message will go through or not. On 12 Aug 99, at 21:13, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: I'd like to know where you both get your supposed 'information'... I got mine from an article written by a Dutch physician. It was published sometime between 1988 and 1993 in one of the journals I received. It has been some time since I read it so I don't recall any further details. If I find some spare time I will attempt to track it down for you. "When the government's boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence." - Gary Lloyd DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Dutch to legalise euthanasia-
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 08/12/1999 8:37:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have heard terrible stories about that being abused there though. Like they have got carried away and that there are no old people's homes now. I guess with the fight for space it is practical. Could get out of hand don't you think? You're right. It could get out of hand. Mercy killing should not degenerate into a Nazi-style practice to rid society of the old, the infirm and mentally deficient. There have to be controls. Still, I recall my father's last weeks, and I wouldn't put an animal through what he went through. It is only right that doctors be authorized to allow those for whom there is only suffering to slip away quietly. Life and death decisions should never be made for what is practical for the state, family or whatever. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
