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I must agree with Nessie here. Whatever welfare trickles down to the truly needy in this country is far outstripped by the corporate welfare paid to big business. The rich and big business are the leaches on society as it exists in this country today. That's not to say that there aren't people collecting money who could just as easily get a job, but what makes them any worse than the corporate bigwigs who take advantage of the same thing? On Sun, 27 August 2000, nessie wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: > >I > >n a welfare state, where the government steals from the productive and > >gives to the lazy, the > > >indolent, and the anti-social, > > > > > In a capitalist economy the lazy, indolent, parasitic rich leech off the > ordinary workers (like you and me) who do the actual pruduction and > distribution of goods and services. The rich produce nothing. They suck on > our neck. > > > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html ___ http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >I >n a welfare state, where the government steals from the productive and >gives to the lazy, the >indolent, and the anti-social, In a capitalist economy the lazy, indolent, parasitic rich leech off the ordinary workers (like you and me) who do the actual pruduction and distribution of goods and services. The rich produce nothing. They suck on our neck. > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from
At 12:00 PM 8/27/00 -0400, "Johannes Schmidt III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - - - snip - - - >> I like the 'trickle down' effect. That's where all the rich people tend to >live in big houses on top of hills, and all the poor people ive in the >low-lying >areas. Now becasue the rich people have so much money, invariably they will >drop >some of it, the wind will blow it away etc and it will 'trickle down' to the >poor people. >> Thanks to the miracle of modern socialism, the "trickle down" effect has been replaced by the "scumming up" effect. In a welfare state, where the government steals from the productive and gives to the lazy, the indolent, and the anti-social, the "underclass" can squat wherever they damn well please and be supported in socialist affluence. That's why the historically desirable places to reside in order to be free of the parasite classes are being taken over by the parasites. Places that the public once perceived as upper class "garden spots" are now hangouts for panhandlers and hustlers because the welfare system and liberal "tolerance" allows them to live there. If you're going to be on the dole, San Francisco, Berkeley, Santa Monica are more preferrable climes for collecting your free money than Dubuque, Peoria, or Anchorage. If you like the smell of fresh urine or wine vomit on your morning walk, San Franciso Union Square is your cup of tea. DBC http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from
The only thing that trickles down from mansions on hilltops is raw sewage... - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 4:43 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:15:49 -0400 Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >8/24/00 > > > >The modern economist is the equivalent of the ancient shaman. If anything > >sensible comes out of the mumbo jumbo, it is purely coincidental. > > > > I like the 'trickle down' effect. That's where all the rich people tend to live in big houses on top of hills, and all the poor people ive in the low-lying areas. Now becasue the rich people have so much money, invariably they will drop some of it, the wind will blow it away etc and it will 'trickle down' to the poor people. > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Endless bullshit from
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:15:49 -0400 Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >8/24/00 > >The modern economist is the equivalent of the ancient shaman. If anything >sensible comes out of the mumbo jumbo, it is purely coincidental. > I like the 'trickle down' effect. That's where all the rich people tend to live in big houses on top of hills, and all the poor people ive in the low-lying areas. Now becasue the rich people have so much money, invariably they will drop some of it, the wind will blow it away etc and it will 'trickle down' to the poor people. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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8/24/00 The modern economist is the equivalent of the ancient shaman. If anything sensible comes out of the mumbo jumbo, it is purely coincidental. The story below reminds me of the great experiment in the 1950's when bottle feeding was scientifically justified to new mothers. Wide ranging tests were done to determine which was better...Formula, or mother's milk. Our brilliant scientists discovered that that mother's milk was better than formula. " Well of course," you say. But what is amazing is not that mother's milk turned out to be better, but they needed to do the experiment at all. The article below is much the same as the story above. They " DISCOVERED " why the rich get richer??? This is like Columbus " discovering " a country where people come out to greet him. THE ANSWER DOESN'T LIE IN PHYSICS! The answer lies in Behaviorism, and in evolutionary psychology. Furthermore, these geniuses neglected to include in their equations the OUTCOME of wealth accumulation. Social disintegration. Crime. Poverty. And on a lighter note, death to the rich as demonstrated by the French and Russian revolutions ( among others ). Economists have never been right about ANYTHING. EVER! They just bullshit for a living and they know it too. They are like professional " theologians." They can invent all the unproveable nonsense they want. Nobody calls them on it, and they get to make a good living because they justify wealth accumulation as god's will, or the natural order of things. Joshua2 http://www.newscientist.com/features/features.jsp?id=ns225217 That's the way the money goes Illustration: Brett RiderLife's so unfair. The rich get richer, while the rest of us just scrape by. Is society to blame or are deeper forces at work, asks Mark Buchanan WHY do rich people have all the money? This may sound like the world's silliest question, but it's not. In every society, most of the wealth falls into the hands of a minority. People often write this off as a fact of life--something we can do nothing about--but economists have always struggled to explain why the wealthy take such a big slice of the pie. If Jean-Philippe Bouchaud and Marc Mézard are right, it is more than a fact of life: it's a law of nature. These two scientists have discovered a link between the physics of materials and the movements of money, a link that explains why wealth is distributed in much the same way in all modern economies. Their theory holds out a scrap of hope to the poor of the world: there may be some surprising ways to make society a bit more equal. And it promises a new fundamental science of money. Economic theory is about to grow up. In the 19th century, economists were certain that each society would have a unique distribution of wealth, depending on the details of its economic structure. But they were dumbfounded in 1897 by the claim of a Paris-born engineer named Vilfredo Pareto. The statistics, he insisted, prove otherwise. Not only do a filthy-rich minority always hog most of the wealth, but the mathematical form of the distribution is the same everywhere. To get a feel for Pareto's law, suppose that in Germany or Japan or the US you count up how many people have, say, $10 000. Next, repeat the count for many other values of wealth (W), both large and small, and finally plot your results on a graph. You will find that there are only a few extremely rich people, and that the number of people increases as W gets smaller--at least until you get down to those with almost no wealth at all. This is exactly what Pareto found: the number of people having wealth W is proportional to 1/W E. Pareto found that the exponent E was always between 2 and 3 (see Diagram) for every European country he looked at, from agrarian Russia to industrial England. And up-to-date statistics show the same thing. This distribution means that most of the wealth gathers in the pockets of a small fraction of the people. In the US, for example, 20 per cent of the people own 80 per cent of the wealth. In Britain and in the nations of Western Europe the numbers are similar. The shape of the graph seems to be universal. For over a century, this universal law of wealth distribution has defied explanation, many economists simply putting it down to the inherent distribution of people's abilities. The truth may be simpler. Economic theories have for years been founded on all sorts of dubious assumptions: that markets are in equilibrium, for example, or that people behave with perfect rationality. These assump- tions simplify economists' intricate equations, but they often lead to rather peculiar conclusions. There is even a "no trades" theorem, says Bouchaud, that in an economy where all the participants are perfectly rational, no trade should ever take place. So Bouchaud and Mézard are pioneering a totally different approach. They are going back to basics, trying to get by with an absol
