-Caveat Lector-
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From: Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:04 PM
Subject: UFOMIND: Miscellanea #118: Janet History; Cybersuit Update
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JANET AIRCRAFT HISTORY
Via: Dave Bethke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Forwarded from rec.aviation.misc ...
Subject: Re: who owns/operates a Boeing 737(?) N4529W
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:10:24 -0700
From: "Roger Ramjet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.misc
These 737-200 aircraft, and seven others were purchased from Western
Airlines in 1981. AirCal, now defunct, did the major maintenance on
these aircraft at their Oakland California overhaul base. The white with
red stripe paint scheme of these aircraft are actually the old Western
paint scheme sans the Western logo on the aft sides of the fuselage and
vertical stab. The aircraft at that time were flown and crewed by
Lockheed Aircraft Service Company employees based out of Ontario,
California. These aircraft were based out of Palmdale California, at
USAF Plant 42, next to the hangar where the space shuttle was built.
The aircraft were loaded with passengers at Palmdale, then a short
flight to Burbank for more and then on to that "secret place" in the
desert.
Currently EG&G has the contract to transport DOD employees to "the
ranch" in Nevada.
The official name of the program was "ECLIPSE", we even had a logo. I
belive it meant flying from the light - into the dark.............
I am not sure when Lockheed AIrcraft Services lost the contract, I
believe it was the early 80's, I was long gone by then to greener
pastures with the airlines. The original contract was crewed, managed
and maintained by ex-Air Force types.
Quite a professional and proud group - I ought to know - I was one on
them.
Roger Ramjet
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BLACK HELICOPTERS
From: "Dunn, Steven J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'CE List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:44:15 -0700
Subject: Black helicopters in Jane's Defence Weekly
From: "Dunn, Steven J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There in an article in the 28 July 1999 issue of _Jane's Defence Weekly_
that may be of interest to members of the addressed lists. It is
entitled, "The Disappearing Helicopter" and, in highly
non-ufologically-oriented style (as would be expected), deals with the
"black helicopter" phenomon.
Ex: "There is a persistent legend, fostered by occasional eye-witness
testimony, that the US government has developed a helicopter so stealthy
that part of its repertoire includes the ability to run silently."
Groom Lake and tests in the SW US are also prominently mentioned.
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CONTRADICTION IN TERMS?
From: "Gavin, A (Adam)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Amazing programme
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 12:37:39 +0200
I watched a program last night on TV - it was amazing.
I just wanted to say that I admire you for following your convictions
and becoming dedicated to revealing the truth. From the evidence
presented on the TV it seems that there is no doubt that there are some
kinds of advanced flying objects being developed there in area 51.
Good luck in your quest.
[What an interesting oxymoron: "evidence presented on TV". --GC]
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AREA 51 MOVED
From: [withheld]@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:12:06 EDT
Subject: area-51 move
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I AM EMAILING U TO TELL YOU THAT AREA 51 HAS MOVED FROM OVER THE MOUNTAIN
OUTSIDE RACHEL TO WHITE SANDS,COLORADO AND MCNEALLY AIR FORCE BASE IN
TAH( I
MAY NOT BE CORRECT ON MCNEALLY, I JUST E-MAILED HTIS SO U COULD TELL
EVERYONE
THAT VISIST YOUR SITE
THANK YOU , TORY WEAVER, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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COMMAND WANTED (WITHOUT RISK)
From: [withheld]@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:17:09 EDT
Subject: area 51
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello I have been searching the entire internet on information for area
51 @ (Groom Lake.) And i came across your site. You see I want to know
all about the aliens such as the "Grays" and other alien life. I also
want to join Area 51 or something that has to do with the research of
E.T. But i dont want to have to risk my life. I want to become one of
the head officers and command others what to do. I also want to know the
facts before everybody elso. So if you got any info please notify me. By
the way, i came acorss this site. http://www.area51.org ... And it said
access denied. I would like access, but i suppose that would be
extremely unlikely.
Thankyou for your time and please reaspond.
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GOD OR AREA 51?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:24:21 EDT
Subject: (no subject)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why must we know about area 51? Would it change the world as we know it?
And if so how. Would it stop the wars, and make us love each other more?
If we spent all the time on area 51, and gave that time to God how much
better off would we be? Just think, how much more can God do for us then
area 51?
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BEWARE THE NWO
From: SILVER SHADOW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:14:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: BEWARE OF THE COMING NEW WORLD ORDER
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/para/conspire/nwo/
New URL: http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/6865/willow.htm
I am strongly against the New World Order, because if it isn`t stopped
in it`s tracks, it will destory all of our God given freedoms of thsi
great country of ours. Beware of the illlumati, a group that I believe
is behind this New World Order movement, and if it isn`t stop, then one
morning we will wake up to a one world government, one religion and one
ruler! Thank-you for this site, and I would like to help up if I can.
Thank-you
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RETICULAN LIFESPAN?
From: MCornez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 05:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/ref/glossary.shtml
Could you say me how many time do a Reticulan live ?
[Okay, "Me how many time do a Reticulan live." -- GC]
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FROM A RESIDENT OF DULCE, NM
From: Marilyn [withheld] <[withheld]@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:37:20 -0400 (EDT)
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/place/us/nm/dulce/
Page Name: Underground Base at Dulce, NM
Subject: I live there
I live in Dulce New Mexico im 13 and Dulce is no boring place us young
people in Dulce seen U.F.O.'s and the little ones of the elementary seen
trolls. I've also heard of ghostly music.
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JACK IS BACK
From: Springheeled Jack the 5th <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:04:00 -0400 (EDT)
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/people/s/springheeledjack/
Page Name: Springheeled Jack
HAHAHAHAHAh My family has been around for years . From gen to gen there
has always been another one of us. we are noted for are strong ankles
and backs and ingenious inventions. FOOLS! SHJ
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CAN'T GO TO EGYPT, OR CAN HE?
From: [withheld]@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:43:53 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: please read,please read,please read,please read, please read
Daer Inquiry,
Please e-mail me information or sites concerning the millennium
celebration at Giza. I am immensely interested in the subject, but I
know there is no way I would possibly be able to go there due to
financial situations. So I would like as much info on it as possible. It
has been a lifelong dream and I don't now why for sure, but I have
always been mesmerized by the pyramids, not exactly the Egyptians,
although I find them terribly interesting also. Ever since I was a
little kid I have felt there is something mysterious about the pyramids
(most people have, I'm sure, whether they want to admit it or not.)IF I
CAN'T BE THERE I FEEL I HAVE TO NOW AS MUCH ABOUT IT AS POSSIBLE. I now
you probably get a thousand plus e-mails a day about this but if you
happen to stumble across this one I would appreciate you not overlooking
it, but replying, and possibly I wish you could advise me on maybe how I
could be there for it.
A Little Fanatical,
Chris
[Actually, we don't get a thousand plus emails a day on this. --GC]
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LAWSUIT UPDATE
[See previous posting to this list, on our many "cybersuits."]
From: user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:33:28
Subject: Why we are suing Campbell // note new address for Beckjord
Glenn runs things unsigned and by unverified senders that are libellous
to the
page subject, and these things are such that NO PRINT editor would dare to
print in a
mag,newsletter or newspaper.
Glenn is thinking in the Pre-Drudge era when being on the net was
immune to suit.
That is all changed.
Glenn, gonna enjoy spending your money in Hawaii.
Erik Beckjord,
The UFO Internet Museum
www.beckjord.com
[Erik must be psychic! Myself and the Research Center staff are
off to Kauai and Maui starting -- just about now! We'll be back on-line
on the 24th. We want to spend our money before Erik does!
BTW: For our Hawaii links, see www.ufomind.com/place/us/hi --GC]
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A JOINING OF FORCES?
From: user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:26:22
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Seeking Jim Dilettoso address/phone/email/website - urgent
The UFO INSIDERS LIST of
The VIRTUAL UFO/BIGFOOT/CROP CIRCLES MUSEUM
To the UFO INSIDERS:
Jim has moved. Please advise where he is. We have
some friendly
business to discuss.
Erik Beckjord
[Evidently, Erik read our previous posting and is trying to make
connections. --GC]
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LAWSUIT DROPPED (WHEW!)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:11:35
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: EB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: (b) Lawsuit dropped- Campbell is broke - but Glenn allows
anonymous losers to post opinions with no discrimination, no checking,
no taste, no style, no brains
The UFO INSIDERS LIST of
The Internet UFO/BIGFOOT/CROP CIRCLES MUSEUM
To the UFO INSIDERS:
Campbell says this on his ufomind site:
Glenn says: "To get to the truth about aliens or psychic powers, you
must first understand the
humans who are making the claims. Who can you trust? Who is deluded? Who is
a liar? Before
studying the phenomenon itself, one must first study the reporting parties
to determine their
character and reliability."
YET, Glenn posts garbage and
lies from UNKNOWN parties using hotmail,free webmail,etc,
who do not list real names,real address nor real phones.Ignore it all.
Several
critics are the SAME PERSON using alternate names.Whether someone "likes"
you or not, is simply NOT RELEVANT TO UFO STUDIES.-
If some idiot does not like what he gets in response to his *own* lies and
bull****,
-----, tough! However, I deny any harassment nor threats. One person who
genuinely
HAS done this to me, is under (really) FBI investigation.
THE NET, and the UFO Field, are full of idiots, liars, losers, and frauds.
TRUST NO ONE ('cept me) !
ERIK BECKJORD
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CAMPBELL & BRUCE-KNAPP -- MASTERS OF DISGUISE
[Below is a posting by Jack Shulman to his own bulletin board at
http://byamerican.com/wangleaks/identities/12231998.htm
Shulman frequently "sues" us and has many on-line aliases. --GC]
Posted By: Ed Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, 23 December 1998, at 1:05 a.m.
SUBJECT: Errol Bruce Knapp confirmation, Glen Campbell confirmation -
both are using half a dozen fake email addresses to sully ACC's Roswell
1947 story. Just these two guys...
Have you been contacted by "Anthony MacDonald" - "Capt Nimo" - "Jilain"
- "Dr. Gates" - "The Big Guy" about ACC and either found you were being
threatened, or it was suggested that ACC was hoaxing the Roswell 1947
Story?
Well, believe it or not, you were receiving mail or contact from GLEN
CAMPBELL, self-described UFO researcher, a CONFIDENTIAL EMPLOYEE of a
Government Agency with an official code name and compensation for his
out of pocket expenses. These are only a few of the fake names Campbell
posts on the Web under.
Have you been contacted by "RobertGates" of AOL - "Dean" "Dean Kain" -
"EMS" - "Brad Gates" - "Nikos" - "Corey" - "Mike" - "Pudin Tang" and
told not to pay any attention to ACC's Roswell Story?
Well, in that case, you've been contacted by ERROL BRUCE KNAPP, a
self-described UFO buff who also claims to be a part of Canada MUFON, a
UFO group, and he, two, is a CONFIDENTIAL EMPLOYEE of the United States
Government (but a different department, called the C-12) whose salary is
paid for in hours worked and whose expenses are covered by said
Government Agency.
You've BEEN HAD by two very talented EMAIL / NEWSGROUP / FORUM Posting
Experts who received their training in, of all places, Fort Meade,
Maryland.
They are experts at creating false identities and false impressions on
the INTERNET. Their job? They are part of a special Task Force, called
the "Counter-Intelligence, Information Control and Dissemination
Section" (CI2C&DS), a group of clever, psychologically prepared, and
well trained experts, who use PC's to manipulate information on the Web.
The US Government maintains DOZENS of operative exactly like these two,
whose true identities will never be known to us, even though they both
have appeared on local TV shows. Their backgrounds are carefully
laundered before they become covert operatives.
And, they have nearly unlimited resources, if the objectives are
important enough.
They manipulate sensitive information topics on the Web, by making
websites, filing newsgroup messages, posting to BBS's and observing the
comings and goings of the Web. The information and effects they reap are
fowarded to and directed by dozens of NSA, CIA and Military Intel
officers. They are CHESS PIECES on a vast Chessboard that is being
maintained to perform 'Information Direction' on the Internet - the
elimination of Leaks, Threats and Control of Sensitive Subjects.
I will be providing you with more information over time. I do not have
any feedback from ACC on this particular story, but I have researched it
very carefully in dark alleys and smoke filled rooms over the course of
the past month. That's why I 'trapped' Errol Bruce Knapp into revealing
his identity by sending him an encoded message and waiting for him to
release pieces of it here and elsewhere, under several of the code names
he is known to operate by.
It was a tactic designed to satisfy me with sufficient proof that he is
who my research says he is.
One of the tactics used by these two and their peers, is to recruit
young people with willing, mallable minds, using Chat Rooms and Gaming
Groups, and intrigue them into performing work for them. They also get
help from "mercs", guys whose job in life is to make it troublesome for
you and me, and who have shadowy, OC connections and lead 'on the edge'
lifes - between the shadows, as it were.
More to come: Stay Tuned here, or on my new MajorDomo Email List, which
will be up and running in the near future.
Ed Wang
The Truth Starts Here...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MK-Wirtschaftsdienst GmbH)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 00:09:55 +0200
To: Glenn Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Your last newsline
[Apparently responding to "Messages to Montel" and "Messages to
Sylvia" previously posted on this list.]
Dear Glenn,
I was a fan and subscriber of your "Desert Rat". Meinrad Eberle from
Switzerland showed me your newsletter and I found it great.
Since then, the quality of your news went down to below zero. I cannot
understand why you are sending out the messages of poor people, that had
some tragic in their life. A lot of these cases could be solved from
private investigators, especially when people are missing since a long
time. I hope you send a reply to every person that has these problems or
that you forward them to somebody that might provide help.
What I dont understand: All these messages have nothing to do with ufos
or aerial phenomens. What do you think that we as members/readers
should do with these sad stories ? Dont you think that the once praised
"best UFO website" is making a complete fool of itself ?
I noticed that your newsline made a complete change: Once the platform
for people interested in solving a mystery, it is now a newsline with
messages up to zero relevance. Almost no more personal messages, just
some news that you picked up somewhere. Can´t we go right back to the
point ?
I am interested if you publish this message.
Greetings from Germany
Rolf G. Wilmink
"The german Sherlock"
P.I. and MUFON-CES member
[The proper procedure in this matter is to SUE ME. -- GC]
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