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-Victor Ostrovsky: How Mossad got America to bomb Libya and fight Iraq
by, Victor Ostrovsky and Claire Hoy
Revealing the facts as I know them from my vantage point of four
years spent inside the Mossad was by no means an easy task.
Coming from an ardent Zionist background, I had been taught that the
state of Israel was incapable of misconduct. That we were the David
in the unending struggle against the ever-growing Goliath. That there
was no one out there to protect us but ourselves - a feeling
reinforced by the Holocaust survivors who lived among us.
We, the new generation of Israelites, the resurrected nation on its
own land after more than two thousand years of exile, were entrusted
with the fate of the nation as a whole.
The commanders of our army were called champions, not generals. Our
leaders were captains at the helm of a great ship. I was elated when
I was chosen and granted the privilege to join what I considered to
be the elite team of the Mossad.
But it was the twisted ideals and self-centered pragmatism that I
encountered inside the Mossad, coupled with this so-called team's
greed, lust, and total lack of respect for human life, that motivated
me to tell this story.
It is out of love for Israel as a free and just country that I am
laying my life on the line by so doing, facing up to those who took
it upon themselves to turn the Zionist dream into the present-day
nightmare.
The Mossad, being the intelligence body entrusted with the
responsibility of plotting the course for the leaders at the helm of
the nation, has betrayed that trust. Plotting on its own behalf, and
for petty, self-serving reasons, it has set the nation on a collision
course with all-out war.
One of the main themes of this book is Victor's belief that Mossad is
out of control, that even the prime minister, although ostensibly in
charge, has no real authority over its actions ...
The Mossad - believe it or not - has just 30 to 35 case officers, or
katsas, operating in the world at any one time. The main reason for
this extraordinary low total, as you will read in this book, is that
unlike other countries, Israel can tap the significant and loyal
cadre of the worldwide Jewish community outside Israel. This is done
through a unique system of sayanim, volunteer Jewish helpers.
My first six weeks were uneventful. I worked at the downtown office,
essentially as a gofer and filing clerk. But one chilly day in
February 1984, I found myself joining 14 others on a small bus. ...
This course was to be known as Cadet 16, as it was the sixteenth
course of Mossad cadets.
He walked briskly to the head of the table while the other two sat at
the back of the room. "My name is Aharon Sherf," he said. "I am the
head of the Academy. Welcome to the Mossad. Its full name is Ha
Mossad, le Modiyn ve le Tafkidim Mayuhadim [the Institute for
Intelligence and Special Operations]. Our motto is: 'By way of
deception, thou shalt do war.'
"It's the old Trojan dick trick." He lit a cigarette.
"What's that?" I couldn't help smiling; I'd never heard it called
that before.
"I knew that would get your attention," he said, grinning. "Shimon
activated Operation Trojan in February of this year."
I nodded. I'd still been in the Mossad when that order was given, and
because of my naval background and acquaintance with most of the
commanders in the navy, I participated in the planning for the
operation as liaison with the navy.
A Trojan was a special communication device that could be planted by
naval commandos deep inside enemy territory. The device would act as
a relay station for misleading transmissions made by the
disinformation unit in the Mossad, called LAP, and intended to be
received by American and British listening stations. Originating from
an IDF navy ship out at sea, the prerecorded digital transmissions
could be picked up only by the Trojan. The device would then
rebroadcast the transmission on another frequency, one used for
official business in the enemy country, at which point the
transmission would finally be picked up by American ears in Britain.
The listeners would have no doubt they had intercepted a genuine
communication, hence the name Trojan, reminiscent of the mythical
Trojan horse. Further, the content of the messages, once deciphered,
would confirm information from other intelligence sources, namely the
Mossad. The only catch was that the Trojan itself would have to be
located as close as possible to the normal origin of such
transmissions, because of the sophisticated methods of triangulation
the Americans and others would use to verify the source.
In the particular operation Ephraim was referring to, two elite units
in the military had been made responsible for the delivery of the
Trojan device to the proper location. One was the Matkal
reconnaissance unit and the other was Flotilla 13, the naval
commandos. The commandos were charged with the task of planting the
Trojan device in Tripoli, Libya.
On the night of February 17-18, two Israeli missile boats, the SAAR 4-
class Moledet, armed with Harpoon and Gabriel surface-tosurface
missiles, among other weaponry, and the Geula, a Hohit-class mlsslle
boat with a helicopter pad and regular SAAR 4-class armament,
conducted what seemed like a routine patrol of the Mediterranean,
heading for the Sicilian channel and passing just outside the
territorial waters of Libya. Just north of Tripoli, the warships,
which were vlsible to radar both in Tripoli and on the Italian island
of Lampedusa, slowed down to about four knots - just long enough to
allow a team of twelve naval commandos in four wet submarines
nicknamed "pigs" and two low-profiled speedboats called "birds" to
disembark. The pigs could carry two commandos each and all their
fighting gear.
The birds, equipped with an MG 7.62-caliber machine gun mounted over
the bow and an array of antitank shoulder-carried missiles, could
facilitate six commandos each, while towing the empty plgs. The birds
brought the pigs as close to the shore as possible, thus cutting down
the distance the pigs would have to travel on their own. (The pigs
were submersible and silent but relatively slow.)
Two miles off the Libyan coast, the lights of Tripoli could be seen
glistening in the southeast. Eight commandos slipped quietly into the
plgs and headed for shore. The birds stayed behind at the rendezvous
pomt, ready to take action should the situation arise. Once they
reached the beach, the commandos left their cigarlike transporters
submerged in the shallow water and headed inland, carrying a dark
green Trojan cylinder six feet long and seven inches in diameter. It
took two men to carry it.
A gray van was parked on the side of the road about one hundred feet
from the water, on the coastal highway leading from Sabratah to
Tripoli and on to Benghazi. There was hardly any traffic at that time
of night. The driver of the van seemed to be repairing a flat tire.
He stopped working as the team approached and opened the back doors
of the van. He was a Mossad combatant. Without a word said, four of
the men entered the van and headed for the city. The other four
returned to the water, where they took a defensive position by the
submerged pigs. Their job was to hold this position to ensure an
escape route for the team now headed for the city.
At the same time, a squadron of Israeli fighters was refueling south
of Crete, ready to assist. They were capable of keeping any ground
forces away from the commandos, allowing them a not-soclean getaway.
At this point, the small commando unit was divided into three
details - its most vulnerable state. Were any of the details to run
into enemy forces, they were instructed to act with extreme prejudice
before the enemy turned hostile.
The van parked at the back of an apartment building on Al Jamhuriyh
Street in Tripoli, less than three blocks away from the Bab al Azizia
barracks that were known to house Qadhafi's headquarters and
residence. By then, the men in the van had changed into civilian
clothing. Two stayed with the van as lookouts and the other two
helped the Mossad combatant take the cylinder to the top floor of the
five-story building. The cylinder was wrapped in a carpet.
In the apartment, the top section of the cylinder was opened and a
small dishlike antenna was unfolded and placed in front of the window
facing north. The unit was activated, and the Trojan horse was in
place.
The Mossad combatant had rented the apartment for six months and had
paid the rent in advance. There was no reason for anyone except the
combatant to enter the apartment. However, if someone should decide
to do so, the Trojan would self-destruct, taking with it most of the
upper part of the building. The three men headed back to the van and
to their rendezvous with their friends on the beach.
After dropping the commandos at the beach, the combatant headed back
for the city, where he would monitor the Trojan unit for the next few
weeks. The commandos wasted no time and headed out to sea. They
didn't want to be caught in Libyan waters at daybreak. They reached
the birds and headed at full speed to a prearranged pickup
coordinate, where they met with the missile boats that had brought
them in.
By the end of March, the Americans were already intercepting messages
broadcast by the Trojan, which was only activated during heavy
communication traffic hours. Using the Trojan, the Mossad tried to
make it appear that a long series of terrorist orders were being
transmitted to various Libyan embassies around the world (or, as they
were called by the Libyans, Peoples' Bureaus). As the Mossad had
hoped, the transmissions were deciphered by the Americans and
construed as ample proof that the Libyans were active sponsors of
terrorism. What's more, the Americans pointed out, Mossad reports
confirmed it.
The French and the Spanish, though, were not buying into the new
stream of information. To them, it seemed suspicious that suddenly,
out of the blue, the Libyans, who'd been extremely careful in the
past, would start advertising their future actions. They also found
it suspicious that in several instances Mossad reports were worded
similarly to coded Libyan communications. They argued further that,
had there truly been after-the-fact Libyan communications regarding
the attack, then the terrorist attack on the La Belle discotheque in
West Berlin on April 5 could have been prevented, since surely there
would have been communications before, enabling intelligence agencies
listening in to prevent It. Since the attack wasn't prevented, they
reasoned that it must not be the Libyans who did it, and the "new
communications" must be bogus. The French and the Spanish were right.
The information was bogus, and the Mossad didn't have a clue who
planted the bomb that killed one American serviceman and wounded
several others. But the Mossad was tied in to many of the European
terrorist organizations, and it was convinced that in the volatile
atmosphere that had engulfed Europe, a bombing with an American
victim was just a matter of time Heads of the Mossad were counting on
the American promise to retaliate with vengeance against any country
that could be proven to support terrorism. The Trojan gave the
Americans the proof they needed. The Mossad also plugged into the
equation Qadhafi's lunatic image and momentous declarations, which
were really only meant for internal consumption.
It must be remembered that Qadhafi had marked a line in the water at
that time, closing off the Gulf of Sidra as Libyan territorial waters
and calling the new maritime border the line of death (an action that
didn't exactly give him a moderate image). Ultimately, the Americans
fell for the Mossad ploy head over heels dragging the British and the
Germans somewhat reluctantly in with them. Operation Trojan was one
of the Mossad's greatest successes. It brought about the air strike
on Libya that President Reagan had promised - a strike that had three
important consequences. First, it derailed a deal for the release of
the American hostages in Lebanon, thus preserving the Hizballah
(Party of God) as the number one enemy in the eyes of the West.
Second, it sent a message to the entire Arab world, telling them
exactly where the United States stood regarding the Arab-Israeli
conflict. Third, it boosted the Mossad's image of itself, since it
was they who, by ingenious sleight of hand, had prodded the United
States to do what was right. It was only the French who didn't buy
into the Mossad trick and were determined not to ally themselves with
the aggressive American act. The French refused to allow the American
bombers to fly over their territory on their way to attack Libya.
On April 14, 1986, one hundred and sixty American aircraft dropped
over sixty tons of bombs on Libya. The attackers bombed Tripoli
international airport, Bab al Azizia barracks, Sidi Bilal naval base,
the city of Benghazi, and the Benine airfield outside Benghazi. The
strike force consisted of two main bodies, one originating in England
and the other from flattops in the Mediterranean. From England came
twenty-four F-111s from Lakenheath, five EF-111s from Upper Heyford,
and twenty-eight refueling tankers from Mildenhall and Fairford. In
the attack, the air force F-111s and the EF-111s were joined by
eighteen A-6 and A-7 strike and strike support aircraft, six F\A-18
fighters, fourteen EA-6B electronic jammer planes, and other support
platforms. The navy planes were catapulted from the carriers Coral
Sea and America. On the Libyan side, there were approximately forty
civilian casualties, including Qadhafi's adopted daughter. On the
American side, a pilot and his weapons officer were killed when their
F-111 exploded.
After the bombing, the Hizballah broke off negotiations regarding the
hostages they held in Beirut and executed three of them, including
one American named Peter Kilburn. As for the French, they were
rewarded for their nonparticipation in the attack by the release at
the end of June of two French journalists held hostage in Beirut. (As
it happened, a stray bomb hit the French embassy in Tripoli during
the raid.)
Ephraim had spelled it all out for me and confirmed some of the
information I'd already known. He then went on. "After the bombing of
Libya, our friend Qadhafi is sure to stay out of the picture for some
time. Iraq and Saddam Hussein are the next target. We're starting now
to build him up as the big villain. It will take some time, but in
the end, there's no doubt it'll work."
"But isn't Saddam regarded as moderate toward us, allied with Jordan,
the big enemy of Iran and Syria?"
"Yes, that's why I'm opposed to this action. But that's the
directive, and I must follow it. Hopefully, you and I will be done
with our little operation before anything big happens. After all, we
have already destroyed his nuclear facility, and we are making money
by selling hlm technology and equipment through South Africa."
In the following weeks, more and more discoveries were made regarding
the big gun and other elements of the Saddam war machine. The Mossad
had all but saturated the intelligence field with information
regarding the evil intentions of Saddam the Terrible, banking on the
fact that before long, he'd have enough rope to hang himself. It was
very clear what the Mossad's overall goal was. It wanted the West to
do its bidding, just as the Americans had in Libya with the bombing
of Qadhafi. After all, Israel didn't possess carriers and ample air
power, and although it was capable of bombing a refugee camp in
Tunis, that was not the same. The Mossad leaders knew that if they
could make Saddam appear bad enough and a threat to the Gulf oil
supply, of which he'd been the protector up to that point, then the
United States and its allies would not let him get away with
anything, but would take measures that would all but eliminate his
army and his weapons potential, especially if they were led to
believe that this might just be their last chance before he went
nuclear.
Ostrovsky knows that being famous keeps him alive.
About the Author: Victor Ostrovsky was raised in Israel, but was
born in Canada. At eighteen he became the youngest officer in the
Israeli military, eventually rising to the rank of lieutenant
commander in charge of naval weapons testing. He was a Mossad case
officer from 1984-1986
-- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> December 22, 1988, McKee's plane was bombed over
> Lockerbie. How does that tie in with Ostrovsky's
> timetable for the mossad's Libya op?
>
> -Bob
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mark urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:15 PM
> Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Lockerbie bomb and CIA drugs Re: Interview
W/ Victor Ostrovsky - Ex-Mossad agent speaks out
>
>
> The nice thing is that you have an insider like Ostrovsky
delineating
> tradecraft and methodology - A large Isreali naval vessel
transports
> a minisub to an remote off shore location. the minisub gets close
to
> shore with a mossad team and a torpedo like transmitter. The team
is
> picked up by undercover people who have already procured an
apartment
> that is located near libyan Intel's building complex. The
undercover
> team has been in place for many months. The transmitter is
brought to
> the apartment and installed near a window overlooking the intel
> complex.
>
> The next bit of info is very cunning. Nothing happens for a
while -
> transmissions are carefully crafted to interweave with extant
Libyan
> intel traffic; however, proper chicken feed is laced into the
> traffic, which, when picked up and decoded by NSA etc. will
> constitute the smoking gun, actionable evidence to warrant a
bombing
> mission.
>
> If the CIA is going along with this in a wink and nod fashion or
> being tricked into certain actions, I am not in a position to
> determine; however, it would appear that somebody is going
through
> extraordinary measures to create a basis for action that in the
final
> analysis is misdirected.
>
> Just who are the parties in the US intel apparatus going along
with
> mossad misdirection?
>
> Who shills for the Perle/ Wolfowitz faction in US intel circles?
Or
> is it just the other way around?
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "mossad...proceeded to pump out erroneous traffic
> > that convinced the CIA that Libya was guilty of
> > certain terrorist acts. The US then (1986)
> > bombed Libya"
> >
> > Co-opting and aiming the giant as weapon asset is
> > attempted a lot. It's not as if that conspiracy doesn't
> > have its conscious members over here, though. It's
> > not a nationalist conspiracy. An afghan warlord,
> > smaller than a nationalist conspiracy, did get the
> > US to drop bombs on a rival faction, but there is
> > no expose' written or apology given when the
> > global conspiracy tricks a president like Reagan
> > to sign off on something like bombing Kadafi as
> > an element of the Lockerbie coverup and to serve
> > Israeli interests--there's always a swarm of interests
> > conspiring, and each gets their payoff in a different
> > way.
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?q=mckee+lockerbie
> >
> >
> > Maybe they psyoped Reagan with that but intel knew
> > they just wanted Kadafi and Libya as patsies for
> > coverup of Lockerbie as assassination of the McKee
> > team with their report on CIA drugs.
> >
> > We've heard that Vincent Petruskie of OKCbomb made
> > a career out of going around soliciting and deal-making
> > to convince terrorists and scapegoat nations to play
> > pariah and take credit for his ops to "restore public
> > confidence in government -JanetReno". Wonder what
> > Kadafi got out of the deal for his silence. As far as a
> > huntable witch he ended nationalism of ex-im before CIA
> > controlled El Salvador did, years before, and then later
> > Duarte in El Salvador which collectivized agriculture
> > on previously confiscated land after Kadafi came the
> > other way on export-import.
> >
> > -Bob
> >
> > http://www.MIBskinnyties.US
> > http://www.PutschWackenhutener.com
> > http://www.Algae2004.com
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: mark urban <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:36 PM
> > Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: ot - Fwd: [CTRL] Interview W/ Victor
> Ostrovsky - Ex-Mossad agent speaks out
> >
> >
> > Ostrovsky has a website and a net radio show; however, I
don't
> think
> > he has done a show since august 2002.
> >
> > He did disclose information about "Operation Trojan Dick" in
> which
> > Mossad agents planted a transmitter near Qaddafi's intel
> headquarters
> > in an apartment and then proceeded to pump out erroneous
traffic
> that
> > convinced the CIA that Libya was guilty of certain terrorist
> acts.
> > The US then (1986) bombed Libya and, I believe, killed one of
> > Qaddafi's daughters.
> >
> > goto:
> >
> > http://www.spytalk.net/
> >
> > there are archives of past shows available.
> >
> > He even does a show on the USS Liberty incident.
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
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> >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ex-Mossad agent speaks out
> > > TELLS OF THE MOSSAD-AUSTRALIA CONNECTION
> > >
> > > Victor Ostrovsky, a former Israeli Mossad agent and now
best-
> > selling author,
> > > became internationally famous in 1990 when he published his
> first
> > book "By
> > > Way of Deception", which documented the outrages committed
by
> the
> > Israeli
> > > secret service.
> > >
> > > The Mossad, considered by intelligence experts to be the
most
> > ruthless spy
> > > agency in the world, doesn't take kindly to defectors, and
> > Ostrovsky's life
> > > has been in danger ever since he went public with his first
> > blockbuster book.
> > >
> > > Some year ago Ostrovsky brought out his second explosive
> > expose "The Other
> > > Side of Deception", creating a furore in the Zionist state
when
> > excerpts were
> > > published in the largest Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot.
> > >
> > > Over the years there have been claims and counter-claims of
> Mossad
> > > involvement in Australia. The Israeli secret service
prefers to
> > operate well
> > > away from the spotlight of publicity. In this exclusive
> interview
> > New Dawn
> > > asked the courageous whistle blower, Victor Ostrovsky about
his
> > books, the
> > > current situation in the Middle East, the powerful U.S.
Israeli
> > lobby, and
> > > Mossad links in Australia.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: As the author of two best selling books on the
> Mossad,
> > can you
> > > provide a brief outline of what led to your efforts to
expose
> the
> > > machinations of the Israeli secret service?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: I believe in my second book The Other Side of
> Deception I
> > > explained what brought this action. I joined with a group
of
> people
> > to bring
> > > an end to the actions of the Mossad. I wanted to stop the
> Mossad's
> > uses and
> > > abuses of the Israeli and outside Jewish communities. The
sad
> thing
> > is many
> > > people who are suffering from the Mossad's abuse of power,
also
> > support it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: What was the reaction of the Israeli government
and
> the
> > Israeli
> > > lobby worldwide to the revelations in your first book By
Way of
> > Deception?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Interesting. The Mossad desperately wanted to
buy
> time.
> > In
> > > response to questions in the [Israeli] Knesset, the Mossad
> admitted
> > they
> > > wanted to buy time to stop the publication of By Way of
> Deception
> > so they
> > > could kidnap me. Thus, even if the book were published,
there
> would
> > be no
> > > author available to back up, verify and promote its
contents.
> The
> > Mossad in
> > > kidnapping Mordechai Vanunu and putting him away in jail,
> stopped
> > him from
> > > elaborating his story. The Israeli government attempted to
> legally
> > stop the
> > > book from being published. However, they found it
practically
> > impossible to
> > > fulfil, what was essentially, Mossad's request. Jewish
> communities
> > around the
> > > world reacted to the book as told to by the Israeli
government.
> > Actually, the
> > > organised Jewish communities have no opinion of their own -
> they
> > are driven
> > > communities - told what to think. They respond accordingly.
> It's
> > sad.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: From our experience here in Australia, whenever
an
> > individual or
> > > organisation speaks out against Mossad activities or
Israeli
> > actions, they
> > > are immediately branded an 'anti-Semite', 'lunatic',
or 'right-
> wing
> > > extremist'...
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Well, this is a modus operandi. This is how the
> Mossad
> > activates
> > > all its forces or groupies to stop any activities against
them.
> > This is what
> > > the ADL [Anti-Defamation League] does regularly. Of course,
> they
> > are well
> > > connected with the media and a lot of media rely on their
> financial
> > support.
> > >
> > > Also a misconception is formed through the use of these
terms -
> if
> > somebody
> > > is against the policies of the Israeli government, it means
> they're
> > > anti-Israel, not an anti-Semite. An anti-Semite is an ugly
> person
> > who hates a
> > > group of people because of their origin. Anti-Israel can be
> equated
> > with
> > > being anti-Chinese, anti-South Africa, etc. There is a big
> > difference here.
> > > People have the right to disagree with the policies of
> countries.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: In April this year you were interviewed on ABC
Radio
> > about your
> > > latest book The Other Side of Deception. You commented
that "a
> lot
> > of the
> > > segments of the Australian secret service report first to
> Mossad."
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Here we are dealing with operandi. Look at
Vanunu's
> case.
> > > Australian intelligence agencies immediately told the
Mossad
> about
> > Vanunu
> > > [when Vanunu was in Australia just before his kidnapping].
Why?
> > They admit
> > > it. It's not a secret. Australian intelligence agencies
have
> people
> > directly
> > > linked to the Mossad - they work with them. Usually it's
people
> on
> > the
> > > mid-level who will be liaising with the Mossad, and will
pass
> > everything on.
> > > The Mossad will make an intelligence request, and the
> Australian
> > intelligence
> > > services will give. They view it from the perspective that
> Israel
> > is a
> > > Western country, so why not help?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: In the same interview you said that the Mossad
goes
> into
> > Jewish
> > > communities around the world and uses them as a resource.
Is
> this
> > happening
> > > in Australia?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Of course it does. It happens everywhere. But
they
> don't
> > like to
> > > admit it. To give an example, when an Israeli 'celebrity'
comes
> to
> > visit and
> > > speak at a Jewish community function or the like, you'll
find
> all
> > these local
> > > people checking for bombs, doing the security, etc. Where
do
> you
> > think they
> > > got their training? Look in my first book [By Way of
Deception]
> to
> > discover
> > > in detail what I'm saying.... The Mossad gives instructions
to
> all
> > [Israeli]
> > > lobbies over the world, so you're not unique in any way.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: What about Mossad activities in the Asia/Pacific
> region?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: I think it's generally friendly territory.
There's
> no
> > real need
> > > for the Mossad to play a major role while the situation
stays
> as it
> > is. They
> > > do have a lot of companies which are used for deep cover
> > activities. The
> > > Mossad is very well entrenched in Indonesia and Japan. In
fact,
> > they're in
> > > Indonesia with the knowledge of the government, and with
their
> > permission.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: Given the changes in the Middle East since the
1991
> Gulf
> > War, what
> > > role does the Mossad currently play in both regional and
> > international
> > > affairs?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Put simply - doing everything it can to stop the
> Middle
> > East peace
> > > process.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: A number of fearless, 'dissident' Jewish writers
such
> as
> > Alfred
> > > Lilienthal, Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak document the
special
> > relationship
> > > between Israel and the U.S. How does the Mossad influence
U.S.
> > foreign
> > > policy, particularly as it relates to the Middle East?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Money, money, money. They obtain vast sums of
money
> from
> > the
> > > United States, only to use it to buy politicians - and not
just
> in
> > the United
> > > States, it happens everywhere. What's an honest politician?
One
> > that's once
> > > bought, stays bought!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: In your 1990 book By Way of Deception you wrote
that
> > the "Zionist
> > > dream" has degenerated into the "present day nightmare".
Would
> you
> > care to
> > > elaborate on this degeneration and the current state of
Israeli
> > affairs? Do
> > > you see any positive developments on the horizon?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: In fact, I think there's a change for the
better. We
> > have a very
> > > courageous government in Israel, but it's really a funny
> situation.
> > The
> > > former governments of Israel created a monster in the
diaspora
> > [dispersed
> > > Jews who haven't returned to the Israeli state]. The
diaspora
> had
> > been told
> > > that things are really bad, and they reacted accordingly in
> > supporting,
> > > financially and otherwise, Israeli government policies.
> > >
> > > Now, the current Israeli government says peace is possible,
and
> the
> > same
> > > Jewish communities who had fed them so much have turned
against
> > them. Now the
> > > diaspora communities are trying to stop Israeli government
> efforts
> > for peace,
> > > so it's quite a futile situation.
> > >
> > > [And] we have the messianics and right-wingers, especially
> those on
> > the West
> > > Bank - which is occupied territory - in Israel pushing for
> > a 'Greater
> > > Israel'. These people use the outside Jewish communities to
> > pressure the
> > > Israeli government into give into their demands.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: Can you tell us something about your new Internet
e-
> > magazine
> > > 'Spytalk', which incorporates the Mossad Watch Dog
Committee?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Instead of watching just one intelligence
> > operation, 'Spytalk'
> > > will focus on all intelligence agencies. Our first issue
will
> > contain a piece
> > > on how intelligence agencies are watching the [World Wide]
Web.
> > Many people
> > > are talking about how the CIA is infiltrating the Internet,
> trying
> > to somehow
> > > control it. One must remember the American military created
the
> > Internet as a
> > > means of worldwide communication in the event of a nuclear
war
> with
> > the
> > > Soviet Union. So, they already have it, because they
created
> it.
> > But, of
> > > course, when something grows too big, then nobody can
maintain
> > control for
> > > long.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > New Dawn: Finally, what can the individual do to help focus
> world
> > public
> > > attention on the Mossad's destructive activities?
> > >
> > > Ostrovsky: Yes, individuals can do a lot. Write about it,
talk
> > about it, ask
> > > questions about it. Make it an issue.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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