Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Man on the Run]

-Caveat Lector-

BF>God Himself protects me, and don't even think of anything lest His wrath
protect me against you.  If the charges are wrong, then you are at least doing
their work for them by dividing people.  You are also very boring, and not worth
the talkin' to.
   You can kiss my royal Irishyou know the rest.
That's enough of this.
Bates

Saba wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well Bates, may I call you Norman - what is the truth.
>
> Charge you made against me, was a lie.
>
> OSaba, Chairman of the Board
> International Order of Irish Mafia
> Don't Tread on Me You SOB
>
> http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
> ==
> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
> screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
> sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
> directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
> major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
> That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
> always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
> credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
>
> Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
> 
> Archives Available at:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
>  http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
>  http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl
> 
> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
> SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
> SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Om

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

Well Bates, may I call you Norman - what is the truth.

Charge you made against me, was a lie.

OSaba, Chairman of the Board
International Order of Irish Mafia
Don't Tread on Me You SOB

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Man on the Run]

-Caveat Lector-

BF>I flee from no one when the truth is at stake.
Bates

Saba wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Well Bates, or Man on the Run - it is said the wicked fleeth, when
> nobody pursueth.
>
> OSaba
>
> http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
> ==
> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
> screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
> sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
> directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
> major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
> That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
> always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
> credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
>
> Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
> 
> Archives Available at:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
>  http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
>  http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl
> 
> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
> SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
> SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Om

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

Well Bates, or Man on the Run - it is said the wicked fleeth, when
nobody pursueth.

OSaba

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Man on the Run]

-Caveat Lector-

BF>Which faction of the bloodlines pays you, Mr. Saba, to put this crap out?  I
can spot one of theirs from a hundred miles away.
In any case, I do not consider Springmeier my hero, but I do believe he has
uncovered information that is very damaging to the hidden blood-lines, mixed
together with his own personal biases.  This is the "unpardonable sin" under the
New World Order and like Cooper he stepped out of line.
Bates

Saba wrote:

> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Let me add this - the ADL is putting out information (on the sly) that
> "neo nazis" and namely of course, Militia, Christians, etc., are behind
> this anthrax thing.
>
> Its about time somebody investigted this ADL who is linked to murder
> inc. and organized crime, who has taken bribe money from a man accused
> of criminal syndacalism and engaging in organized crime and a charge
> that could have amounted to treason - yet this garbage wonder - could
> someone have tried to "finger" Fritz Springmeier on something like this?
>
> Just a thought.   And anyone who wants to know anything about this man -
> you have a a search engine at your disposal so why  not do your own
> research.
>
> Nobody is paid to do it for you.
>
> OSaba
>
> http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
> ==
> CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
> screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
> sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
> directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
> major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
> That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
> always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
> credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.
>
> Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
> 
> Archives Available at:
> http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
>  http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
>  http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl
> 
> To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
> SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
> SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Om

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Tenorlove]

-Caveat Lector-

--- RV Head <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So?   Who the hell is Fritz Springmeyer?

331 entries at

http://google.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=fritz+springmeier&hc=0&hs=0

Author of "The 13 Illuminati Bloodlines." He was arrested last year,
too, allegedly for growing pot. They also confiscated his computers and manuscripts.

__
Do You Yahoo!?
Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!
http://auctions.yahoo.com

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

Let me add this - the ADL is putting out information (on the sly) that
"neo nazis" and namely of course, Militia, Christians, etc., are behind
this anthrax thing.

Its about time somebody investigted this ADL who is linked to murder
inc. and organized crime, who has taken bribe money from a man accused
of criminal syndacalism and engaging in organized crime and a charge
that could have amounted to treason - yet this garbage wonder - could
someone have tried to "finger" Fritz Springmeier on something like this?

Just a thought.   And anyone who wants to know anything about this man -
you have a a search engine at your disposal so why  not do your own
research.

Nobody is paid to do it for you.

OSaba

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[RV Head]

-Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:19 PM
Subject: [CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

>Dear Friends,

>Yesterday afternoon, around 12:30pm, Clackamas County Sheriffs' Department
>arrested my husband, Fritz Springmeier, and placed him in Multinomah County
>Detention Center.  When I asked them what the warrant charges were they
said
>the charges were federal and that they were placing him on a "U.S. Marshall
>Hold".

>Fritz managed to call me around 4:30pm to tell me that he was OK.  Our
>conversation was cut short because they wanted the inmates for intake.  He
>seemed to think that he would be arraigned on Monday.

>I don't know what else to say except the obvious - that the times we live
in
>are so frightening.  What are we all going to do?  Fritz wanted me to let
you
>all know what was going on.  Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

>May God help us all,

>Patty Springmeier

So?   Who the hell is Fritz Springmeyer?

http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org
DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please!  These are
sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis-
directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with
major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.
That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and
always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no
credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.

Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.

Archives Available at:
http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
 http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
 http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl

To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Om

[CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier Arrested

[RoadsEnd]

--- Begin Message ---

Dear Friends,

Yesterday afternoon, around 12:30pm, Clackamas County Sheriffs’ Department
arrested my husband, Fritz Springmeier, and placed him in Multinomah County
Detention Center.  When I asked them what the warrant charges were they said
the charges were federal and that they were placing him on a “U.S. Marshall
Hold”.

Fritz managed to call me around 4:30pm to tell me that he was OK.  Our
conversation was cut short because they wanted the inmates for intake.  He
seemed to think that he would be arraigned on Monday.

I don’t know what else to say except the obvious - that the times we live in
are so frightening.  What are we all going to do?  Fritz wanted me to let you
all know what was going on.  Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.

May God help us all,


Patty Springmeier


--- End Message ---

[CTRL] Fwd: Fritz Springmeier arrested

[Aleisha Saba]

The one story here is re Springmeier and states he used many different
names.

I note he uses German names primarily - which is a little obvious.   His
connections to me sound a little more than just suspicious.

The informationo he puts out is nothing dangerous or new - nothing to
use phoney names about - the alleged big time drug operation sounds
strange - but the ID's he had are something else.

So what is Fritz's real name - this stuff on Satanic bloodlnes - and the
bad information of Fitzgerald line - this is staggering for the
Geraldines were one of the most famous lines in Irish History - the
Fitzgerlds (all sons of Og) were murdered by vicious vendetta - 7
hanged, drawn and quartered - St. Patrick carried the Fitzgerald Coat of
Arms ...

And this man with this satanic bloodline stuff should be assured, as a
Plantagenet and a Fitzgerald the Mormon Church already has labeled these
great Kings and Nobility as descendents of Satan and Demons - but then
who wrote the books - but the key to the Fitzgrald curse you find in the
bible - and as usual the usual suspects are involved.

So Fritz - look at his face and say do I trust this face - no way.   Is
her a German?   He seems like ones who leads the little red arrows to
groups and frankly maybe he was set up or he is part of the set up - but
if you check him out you will not find he what he pretends to be.

Like this Jewish Mafia in Columbus where Meyer Lansky would visit the
home of one - murderers, in on drugs and without a doubt behind shooting
of Larry Flynt for he was new kid on block - but the neo nazi literature
the spread some of which was in blue ink and came off the press right in
this little basement..

So what is he - just a front for drugs using White People of Christian
faith as a front - when behind you find more than just marijuana plants?

So anyway Fritz did not have the marijuana plants - this information
from APN is interesting.

I am thinking ADL is behind this stuff..and one of their big deals
lately was to try to get this Marc Rich aka Reich off the hook - ADL of
course put Christian groups on FBI Hate list and it was the ADl who told
FBI and BATf to stay home that day in Oklahoma and warned one judge
while the others were blown to hell or mutilaated and babies left in
nursery>

saba




 
 
 
 
 
About Fritz Springmeier
 
 
Survivors/victims, be cautious when reading the following allegations.
It can be triggering ... At the bottem of this page is the latest news I
got about Fritz. The reader be the judge ...
 
There are many things said by different people about Fritz Springmeier.
He wrote a number of books on trauma-based mindcontrol, creating
undetectable mindcontrolled slaves with MPD through torture. I
personally believe that the content of these books is accurate. He is
active in the therapeutic community too. Some even believe that Fritz is
allegedly used by the Illuminati one way or another, and that he is
possibly dangerous, maybe he is .. maybe he is not. At this moment,
I don't know for sure. There are those who say that Fritz himself is
possibly a Monarch victim, and I have heard from one person that Fritz
was allegedly being seen on the San Francisco Airport together with
Anton Lavey (a satanist), probably to re-capture an escaped victim.
There are however so many voices from "both sides" that it is hard to
determine what is true and what is not true. An e-mail was forwarded to
me by a friend, which was supposedly written by a mindcontrol victim
who's name and gender I will not mention to anyone. This victim says
he/she has actually lived with Fritz and Cisco for a while (Cisco
Wheeler, daughter of the late general Wheeler, an illuminati programmer
who ritually abused Cisco. Cisco is Fritz' co-author). 
 
The following refers to Fritz, not to Cisco . 
 
He/she says that the atmosphere allegedly was not very pleasant, and had
all the hallmarks of an abusive home. He/she found it a bit strange that
Fritz allegedly did not live close to his own wife, but very close to
Cisco, never leaving her out of sight. To me these accusations are very
serious of course, and I do not want to draw conclusions too soon. One
needs to be objective, not subjective. When we think subjectively, we
draw conclusions as soon as we see or hear something. This is not the
way to deal with these kind of things. And above all, we must give a
person the opportunity to explain himself. One is innocent untill proven
guilty.
 
This alleged victim however, also is convinced that Fritz gives certain
drugs to Cisco to keep her in the condition she is in. According to this
mindcontrol victim Cisco believes she is free while in fact she is an
alleged slave of Fritz. I still need proof for this though. As I said,
there also are also some comments from the therapeutic community about
Fritz. Some say that at conferences he frequently interrupts other
speakers, and is acting like a person who knows better than anybody else
what MPD is