Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/28/99 8:35:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the gibbering of the boastfully ignorant is hardly of any use to a person capable of independent thought and personal research. So knock it off Asheville Dave!!! It's always amusing to watch the Budwieser crowd Oh, the "Budweiser crowd"...you talkin' to me??? Please, though Bud DOES sponser the last vestige (look it up) of sport, Boxing, I prefer a good stout...(Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout is awesome...Guiness is good too, but 'tis a DOUBLE stout) I don't want to resort to namecalling (Insert redneck/hayseed joke here) Let's just admit that some people respect science but the masses tend to worship at the alter of pseudoscience and quackery...I guess patent medicines are still a popular item down in Asheville huh? Maybe a nice poultice for your colitis? A bleeding for your ill-balanced humours??? Whatever Goob. It's your health and your call...I like effective medicine...You prefer faith healing...call it a cultural difference... Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- Bill Why dont you takea look at David Bohm, the late and famed physicist. Light years ahead of Robert Park. Bohms great contribution to science is the concept of the "implicate order"...this apparently hasnt hit the textbooks yet and certainly is foreign to Robert Parks thinking.and knowledge. In extreme simplicity according to Bohm there are two levels or dimensions to reality (a) a surface reality in physical and biological phenomena (this is what you subscribe to) and (2 } a deeper level which we can observe only indirectly and which has a transdisciplinary quality. A full description of science must include the second level which Bohm terms "implicate " or folded inward.. This is the dimensional quality I referred to in earlier postings. Psychic phenomina, homeopathy, all these aspects that offend you are fully explaine d in Bohm...and you will see from SCIENCE CITATIONS index that an enormous amount of work in in progress..This is the frontier today. So far as I am concerened Robert Park is back in the 1950's clinging to higher energy physics as a meal ticket... It is this second level that I describe in THE VIEW FROM 4-SPACE but in terms of technologies missed through limited thinking.. TONY SUTTON. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- Hey, it's Will the shill... jeez I thought you were DEAD! Good to see you in the company of disinformationists such as notorious "quackbuster" Barrett. It's pleasing to know that my impression of you is right on. (whyn'cha go eat a tube of toothpaste, Barrett says it's good for your teeth) Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Sunday, September 26, 1999 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece -Caveat Lector- Homeopathy is indeed the ultimate fake/fraud! That ANY sane and semi-intelligent person could fall for this nonsense is shocking. Bill. Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake Stephen Barrett, M.D. Homeopathic "remedies" enjoy a unique status in the health marketplace DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- Speaking of airheads oxymorons.. the gibbering of the boastfully ignorant is hardly of any use to a person capable of independent thought and personal research. It's always amusing to watch the Budwieser crowd parrotting the stuff they're fed by their TOOBs amusing in a very tragic way, though.. Budman is the cash crop of the very system of petrochemical pharmaceutical poisonous "medicine" which he slavishly worships, fearful of the power that the white-coated doctor of iatrogenesis holds over him- the power of health itself.. which poor Budman gladly gives up any responsibility for, in return for the TOOB's glowing platitudes nitey-nite, Budman you're in good hands with your TOOB... Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of William Shannon Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 6:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/99 4:07:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also was given a concoction of veg juices once that worked better than any pharmaceutical pain killer for a knee condition I have...I was working and the knee tightened up, and a homeopath whizzed the stuff up and I have to admit it was the most amazing recovery I have ever experienced. Just to echo the sage words of Ric...A homeopath offering a veg juice cocktail is no different than a homeopath offering prednisone or even surgery...none of these things, though certainly more effective (not certainly with a veggie drink) have nothing to do with the quackery that is the basis of so-called "homeopathic medicine".. Homeopathic medicine, now THERE'S an oxymoron! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- Makes me think about golden seal root. For quite some time it was the only thing on the market that would beat a urinalysis test. Can't see the placebo in that. Also was given a concoction of veg juices once that worked better than any pharmaceutical pain killer for a knee condition I have...I was working and the knee tightened up, and a homeopath whizzed the stuff up and I have to admit it was the most amazing recovery I have ever experienced. The musculature loosened up and the pain disappeared within an hour, and did not recur for many weeks. Very odd. I did not believe him when he gave it to me, but it worked! I have gotten totally friedd the few times I tried pharmaceuticals for pain and they are, in my opinion, just a drunk in a pill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Makes me think about golden seal root. For quite some time it was the only thing on the market that would beat a urinalysis test. Can't see the placebo in that. If you've taken enough goldenseal to beat urinalysis, then you've taken far more than a 'homeopathic' preparation. In homeopathy, the 'active' substance is diluted until there's nothing left. Eating herbs isn't homeopathy, it's herbology. Yes, many herbs/plants/fungi/etc contain potent chemicals - aspirin is derived from willow bark, penicillin from a mold, LSD from a fungus and a plant family. But we use those compounds in physiologically-active quantities, not the in ghostly dilutions of homeopathy. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/27/99 4:07:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also was given a concoction of veg juices once that worked better than any pharmaceutical pain killer for a knee condition I have...I was working and the knee tightened up, and a homeopath whizzed the stuff up and I have to admit it was the most amazing recovery I have ever experienced. Just to echo the sage words of Ric...A homeopath offering a veg juice cocktail is no different than a homeopath offering prednisone or even surgery...none of these things, though certainly more effective (not certainly with a veggie drink) have nothing to do with the quackery that is the basis of so-called "homeopathic medicine".. Homeopathic medicine, now THERE'S an oxymoron! Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- Homeopathy is indeed the ultimate fake/fraud! That ANY sane and semi-intelligent person could fall for this nonsense is shocking. Bill. Homeopathy: The Ultimate Fake Stephen Barrett, M.D. Homeopathic "remedies" enjoy a unique status in the health marketplace: They are the only category of quack products legally marketable as drugs. This situation is the result of two circumstances. First, the 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, which was shepherded through Congress by a homeopathic physician who was a senator, recognizes as drugs all substances included in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia of the United States. Second, the FDA has not held homeopathic products to the same standards as other drugs. Today they are marketed in health-food stores, in pharmacies, in practitioner offices, by multilevel distributors [A], through the mail, and on the Internet. Basic Misbeliefs Samuel Hahnemann (1755-1843), a German physician, began formulating homeopathy's basic principles in the late 1700s. Hahnemann was justifiably distressed about bloodletting, leeching, purging, and other medical procedures of his day that did far more harm than good. Thinking that these treatments were intended to "balance the body's 'humors' by opposite effects," he developed his "law of similars" -- a notion that symptoms of disease can be cured by extremely small amounts of substances that produce similar symptoms in healthy people when administered in large amounts. The word "homeopathy" is derived from the Greek words homoios (similar) and pathos (suffering or disease). Hahnemann and his early followers conducted "provings" in which they administered herbs, minerals, and other substances to healthy people, including themselves, and kept detailed records of what they observed. Later these records were compiled into lengthy reference books called materia medica, which are used to match a patient's symptoms with a "corresponding" drug. Hahnemann declared that diseases represent a disturbance in the body's ability to heal itself and that only a small stimulus is needed to begin the healing process. He also claimed that chronic diseases were manifestations of a suppressed itch (psora), a kind of miasma or evil sprit. At first he used small doses of accepted medications. But later he used enormous dilutions and theorized that the smaller the dose, the more powerful the effect -- a notion commonly referred to as the "law of infinitesimals." That, of course, is just the opposite of the dose-response relationship that pharmacologists have demonstrated. The basis for inclusion in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia is not modern scientific testing, but homeopathic "provings" conducted during the 1800s and early 1900s. The current (ninth) edition describes how more than a thousand substances are prepared for homeopathic use. It does not identify the symptoms or diseases for which homeopathic products should be used; that is decided by the practitioner (or manufacturer). The fact that substances listed in the Homeopathic Pharmacopeia are legally recognized as "drugs" does not mean that either the law or the FDA recognizes them as effective. Because homeopathic remedies were actually less dangerous than those of nineteenth-century medical orthodoxy, many medical practitioners began using them. At the turn of the twentieth century, homeopathy had about 14,000 practitioners and 22 schools in the United States. But as medical science and medical education advanced, homeopathy declined sharply in America, where its schools either closed or converted to modern methods. The last pure homeopathic school in this country closed during the 1920s [1]. Many homeopaths maintain that certain people have a special affinity to a particular remedy (their "constitutional remedy") and will respond to it for a variety of ailments. Such remedies can be prescribed according to the person's "constitutional type" -- named after the corresponding remedy in a manner resembling astrologic typing. The "Ignatia Type," for example, is said to be nervous and often tearful, and to dislike tobacco smoke. The typical "Pulsatilla" is a young woman, with blond or light-brown hair, blue eyes, and a delicate complexion, who is gentle, fearful, romantic, emotional, and friendly but shy. The "Nux Vomica Type" is said to be aggressive, bellicose, ambitious, and hyperactive. The "Sulfur Type" likes to be independent. And so on. Does this sound to you like a rational basis for diagnosis and treatment? The "Remedies" Are Placebos Homeopathic products are made from minerals, botanical substances, and several other sources. If the original substance is soluble, one part is diluted with either nine or ninety-nine parts of distilled water and/or alcohol and shaken vigorously (succussed); if insoluble, it is finely ground and pulverized in similar proportions with powdered lactose (milk sugar). One part of the diluted medicine is then further diluted, and the process is
Re: [CTRL] Homeo Hit Piece
-Caveat Lector- Homoeopathy, as any one with above room temperature I.Q. could discover in about twenty minutes on the Internet, enjoys great popularity in the U.K., India, South America, and to lesser extent- the U.S. (due to greater repression, including apparently- the efforts of Encyclopedia Britannica) This is not due to mere ignorance. This is evidence of a purposeful attempt to discredit homoeopathy. It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that Britain's royal family favors homoeopathic treatment for themselves, I guess it is up to the Encyclopedia Britannica to see to it that such effective alternatives to poisonous petrochemical pharmaceutical "medicine" are kept from the "COMMONERS?!" Is Encyclopedia Britannica merely a tool of propaganists and con-men? If the editor/writer of the little hit piece that Encyclopedia Britannica published had spent a moment or two browsing the Internet world wide web links that they themselves PROVIDED... they should have been able to come up with something more closely resembling reality - instead of what they published- what a shame apparently we need to count Encyclopedia Britannica as a source of DIS-information, mere political spin instead of balanced truthful, factual reporting. Who OWNS Encyclopedia Britannica? Has anyone noticed a widespread pattern of misrepresentation in Encyclopedia Britannica? Check it out- read Encyclopedia Britannica's entry on several items that you think are important and susceptible to elitist political DIS-information propaganda, and let's collate the results! http://www.eb.com/ If Encyclopedia Britannica is merely a propaganda and disinformation organ, we should spread the word... the Internet is a great communication tool (good for RESEARCH too, in case anyone is writing and Encyclopedia...) Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Roger C Barr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, September 25, 1999 7:25 AM To: onlineclass Subject: Homeo Hit Piece What follows is Encyclopedia Brittanica's entire article on homeopathy. You may express your feelings by contacting the editor of EB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the plus side they do provide a lot of internet links. homeopathy, also spelled HOMOEOPATHY, a system of therapeutics, notably popular in the 19th century, which was founded on the stated principle that "like cures like," similia similibus curantur, and which prescribed for patients drugs or other treatments that would produce in healthy persons symptoms of the diseases being treated. This system of therapeutics based upon the "law of similars" was introduced in 1796 by the German physician Samuel Hahnemann (q.v.). He claimed that a large dose of quinine, which had been widely used for the successful treatment of malaria, produced in him effects similar to the symptoms of malaria patients. He thus concluded that all diseases were best treated by drugs that produced in healthy persons effects similar to the symptoms of those diseases. He also undertook experiments with a variety of drugs in an effort to prove this. Hahnemann believed that large doses of drugs aggravate illness and that the efficacy of medicines thus increases with dilution. Accordingly, most homeopathists believed in the action of minute doses of medicine. To many patients and some physicians, homeopathy was a mild, welcome alternative to bleeding, purging, polypharmacy, and other heavy-handed therapies of the day. In the 20th century, however, homeopathy has been viewed with little favour and has been criticized for focusing on the symptoms rather than on the underlying causes of disease. Homeopathy still has some adherents, and there are a number of national and international societies, including the International Homoeopathic Medical League, headquartered in Bloemendaal, Neth. Related Internet Links: Homeopathy Home Page Shirley's Wellness Cafe National Center for Homeopathy HomeoVia Welcome to Homoeopathy...the 21st Century Medicine Mother Nature's General Store Copyright 1994-1999 Encyclopædia Britannica DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
