Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Hey E-Mael, snake any pipes lately Or too busy digressing yourself into obscurity? only yours, sport. you seem to have a bit of a presumptuous nature; which tends to extend itself beyond its own known limits. the reward for such activity will be forthcoming and yes, you may think of me when it does. getcho mind right son and take heed of the hour, for tis later than you think. who knows, you may get an opportunity to spit in your own ear. laughing at the karmic cavalcade, yours truely (be sure to look over your shoulder) digressing into obscurity, indeed I think that we need to be more considerate of Emael. His medicine is obviously not working, and the poor pudwhacker is going over the edge. Is there anything I can do to help? Buy you a new tweezers perhaps? Concerned, Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Joshua 2 and Emael and William" Can't I leave you kids alone five minutes ? Who needs guns with you three around. Moo Moo Jones DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Joshua 2 and Emael and William" Can't I leave you kids alone five minutes ? Who needs guns with you three around. Moo Moo Jones sorry ma; but they're still under the delusion that they can change somebody's mind or that anybody cares that they have an opinion. tryin ta be good in a playground of the deluded smilin chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I think that we need to be more considerate of Emael. His medicine is obviously not working, and the poor pudwhacker is going over the edge. Is there anything I can do to help? Buy you a new tweezers perhaps? Concerned, Joshua2 my sentiments exactly; and i am concerned about your unhealthy preoccupation with drugs, my personal anatomy and what your idiot opinion is. i do not know if this will do any good but the first step to learning is shutting the hell up but alas, even this will fall on a deaf mind, whatever the cause (personal physical abuse and drugs?); who knows? so spout on monkey boy, nobody gives a damn. do you have an opinion monkeyboy? ' oh, we are all ears' with anticipation, not. you are beneath response, now leave me alone. :-) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 30 May 1999, E Mael wrote: my sentiments exactly; and i am concerned about your unhealthy preoccupation with drugs, my personal anatomy and what your idiot opinion is. i do not know if this will do any good but the first step to learning is shutting the hell up but alas, even this will fall on a deaf mind, whatever the cause (personal physical abuse and drugs?); who knows? so spout on monkey boy, nobody gives a damn. do you have an opinion monkeyboy? ' oh, we are all ears' with anticipation, not. you are beneath response, now leave me alone. Deaf mind?! Is that anything like a blind nose? Or is it just an amputated imagination on your part? Jamieson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- LOL. Right on . Gavin Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Sure they would. Just like they gave up their drugs and their alcohol and their gambling and their whores. Dream on. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Ric Carter wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] We can however, remove guns from the equation. Then if people go nuts or become immoral or enraged, it's not as devastating. Parallel: God(s) don't kill people, believers kill people. We can reduce religious sectarian violence by eliminating peoples' god(s) from the equation. Then if people go kill-crazy, they won't have deities or demons to blame, and they can be treated for their mental aberrations, rather than forgiven for zeal. But: guns or gods, we're talking Theology. True Believers in weapons-bearing have a religious creed, that their guns were given them by their god(s), and no mere mortal can touch their holy armaments. You might as well try to talk a spiritual fundy out of their belief system. Good luck. Rev. R.N. "what a friend we have in Uzi" Carter * no pacifists were shot during the production of this message * While it's possible to rid the country of guns, it's impossible to rid the country of gods even though that superstition is responsible for more human deaths and misery than all other things save plague and natural disaster. Most people simply don't have the guts to face nature and reality and are addicted to superstitious nonsense as avoidance behavior. That won't change. The best we can hope for is to make sure that people keep their private superstitions private or among like minded superstitionists. Devout Atheist, Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Mike Kathy Moxley wrote: -Caveat Lector- It could have been ALL these things. SO WHAT? One can't do much in a real sense about most of the things that may be equally culpable in the equation that resulted in a wanton massacre. We can however, remove guns from the equation. Then if people go nuts or become immoral or enraged, it's not as devastating. Guns will go because it's the easiest solution. And it's about time. Joshua2 If the government ever tried to disarm the American people it would be open season on feds, and many a gun owner would be disappointed because there just aren't enough feds to go around. Yeah, yeah. I've heard that song before. But words are cheap, and everybody is hero when they don't have to face a real threat like heavily armed gun grabbers. Let's just wait and see. --- W E W I L L N O T D I S A R M ! Notice To All Politicians: It is time to speak plainly for the good citizens and patriots of this nation who believe unendingly in the Constitution of the United States of America. Though foreign governments may disarm their subjects, we will not go down that road. snip a bunch of religio / patriot prattle. We will not passively take the path that leads to tyranny. We will not go down that road. We Will Not Disarm. Author Unknown: ( from Soldier of Fortune magazine, October 1994.) --- "...but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights..." -Alexander Hamilton ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Patriot Resource Center: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6627/ **Live Free or Die!** Gee, it's nice to have options. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- it's possible to rid the country of guns, Sez you, a priori. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- At 08:42 PM 5/24/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But: guns or gods, we're talking Theology. True Believers in weapons-bearing have a religious creed, that their guns were given them by their god(s), and no mere mortal can touch their holy armaments. Yes. That's correct. My gun RIGHTS were given to me by someone a hell of a lot more important and smarter than you or Charles Schumer. You might as well try to talk a spiritual fundy out of their belief system. Good luck. So, in other words, the fact that YOU can't talk someone out of THEIR beliefs makes THEIR beliefs wrong? Maybe they're just a lot smarter than you are. Rev. R.N. "what a friend we have in Uzi" Carter * no pacifists were shot during the production of this message * I'll send my kid to the private school of my choice where every kid brings an assault weapon to school. You send your kid to an American public school where every kid is on government provided drugs and mass vaccinations. My kid will be a HELL of a lot safer, not kill anyone, and grow up to be a responsible adult. Your kid will grow up to be Dylan Klebold. DBC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 5/27/99 4:48:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While it's possible to rid the country of guns, it's impossible to rid the country of gods even though that superstition is responsible for more human deaths and misery than all other things save plague and natural disaster. Most people simply don't have the guts to face nature and reality and are addicted to superstitious nonsense as avoidance behavior. That won't change. The best we can hope for is to make sure that people keep their private superstitions private or among like minded superstitionists. Devout Atheist, Joshua2 I don't think it is possible to rid the country of guns, unless you allow for a lot of deaths in the process. In that case the cure would be worse than the "disease". Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- We can however, remove guns from the equation. How, praytell? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- We could have a National Rosy O'Donnell Day. Jamie -Original Message- From: nessie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns? -Caveat Lector- We can however, remove guns from the equation. How, praytell? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- "Damian B. Cooper" wrote: -Caveat Lector- At 10:25 PM 5/24/99 -0700, nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guns will go because it's the easiest solution. And it's about time. Joshua2 Ummm. You really think that popular insurrection and civil war is the easiest solution. You guys take yourselves WAY to seriously. Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Those that won't, well...those who live by the gun, shall die by the gun. Let's see if Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre (sp?)will take the first hits. Anybody want to bet money? Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: You guys take yourselves WAY to seriously. Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Those that won't, well...those who live by the gun, shall die by the gun. Let's see if Charlton Heston and Wayne LaPierre (sp?)will take the first hits. Anybody want to bet money? Joshua2 there are more things than are dreamt of in phlemosophy. blow your nose and refresh your mind. think of a world run by criminals and cops with guns. then imagine ordinary shop-keepers breaking the law to preserve their right to a living. imagine a vast underground of gun sellers and snipers. your world; but second thought, not. how much money are we talking about? better save it for when you will have to perchase a gun to live and be discreet will you. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Most people would give up their guns grudgingly, but quite easily. Sure they would. Just like they gave up their drugs and their alcohol and their gambling and their whores. Dream on. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Hey E-Mael, snake any pipes lately Or too busy digressing yourself into obscurity? Bill. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:18:34 + (GMT) From: David Tilbury GNET 822 5435 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:IUFO: How Can We Blame all on Guns? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sightings.com By Paul Harvey Commentary Of April 27, 1999 5-23-99 Letters - How can we blame it all on guns? For the life of me, I can't understand what could have gone wrong in Littleton, Colo. If only the parents had kept their children away from the guns, we wouldn't have had such a tragedy. Yeah, it must have been the guns. 1. It couldn't have been because of half our children are being raised in broken homes. 2. It couldn't have been because our children get to spend an average of 30 seconds in meaningful conversation with their parents each day. After all, we give our children quality time. 3. It couldn't have been because we treat our children as pets and our pets as children. 4. It couldn't have been because we place our children in day care centers where they learn their socialization skills among their peers under the law of the jungle while employees who have no vested interest in the children look on and make sure that no blood is spilled. 5. It couldn't have been because we allow our children to watch, on average, seven hours of television a day filled with the glorification of sex and violence that isn't fit for adult consumption. 6. It couldn't have been because we allow our children to enter into virtual worlds in which, to win the game, one must kill as many opponents as possible in the most sadistic way possible. 7. It couldn't have been because we have sterilized and contracepted our families down to sizes so small that the children we do have are so spoiled with material things that they come to equate the receiving of the material with love. 8. It couldn't have been because our children, who historically have been seen as a blessing from God, are now being viewed as either a mistake created when contraception fails or inconveniences that parents try to raise in their spare time. 9. It couldn't have been because our nation is the world leader in developing a "culture of death" in which 20 million to 30 million babies have been killed by abortion. 10. It couldn't have been because we give two-year prison sentences to teen-agers who kill their newborns. 11. It couldn't have been because our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial soup of mud by teaching evolution as fact and by handing out condoms as if they were candy. 12. It couldn't have been because we teach our children that there are no laws of morality that transcend us, that everything is relative and that actions don't have consequences. What the heck, the president gets away with it! Nah, it must have been the guns. Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Anomalous Images and UFO Files http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- Steve Wingate wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Mon, 24 May 1999 10:18:34 + (GMT) From: David Tilbury GNET 822 5435 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:IUFO: How Can We Blame all on Guns? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.sightings.com By Paul Harvey Commentary Of April 27, 1999 5-23-99 Letters - How can we blame it all on guns? For the life of me, I can't understand what could have gone wrong in Littleton, Colo. If only the parents had kept their children away from the guns, we wouldn't have had such a tragedy. Yeah, it must have been the guns. 1. It couldn't have been because of half our children are being raised in broken homes. 2. It couldn't have been because our children get to spend an average of 30 seconds in meaningful conversation with their parents each day. After all, we give our children quality time. 3. It couldn't have been because we treat our children as pets and our pets as children. 4. It couldn't have been because we place our children in day care centers where they learn their socialization skills among their peers under the law of the jungle while employees who have no vested interest in the children look on and make sure that no blood is spilled. 5. It couldn't have been because we allow our children to watch, on average, seven hours of television a day filled with the glorification of sex and violence that isn't fit for adult consumption. 6. It couldn't have been because we allow our children to enter into virtual worlds in which, to win the game, one must kill as many opponents as possible in the most sadistic way possible. 7. It couldn't have been because we have sterilized and contracepted our families down to sizes so small that the children we do have are so spoiled with material things that they come to equate the receiving of the material with love. 8. It couldn't have been because our children, who historically have been seen as a blessing from God, are now being viewed as either a mistake created when contraception fails or inconveniences that parents try to raise in their spare time. 9. It couldn't have been because our nation is the world leader in developing a "culture of death" in which 20 million to 30 million babies have been killed by abortion. 10. It couldn't have been because we give two-year prison sentences to teen-agers who kill their newborns. 11. It couldn't have been because our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some primordial soup of mud by teaching evolution as fact and by handing out condoms as if they were candy. 12. It couldn't have been because we teach our children that there are no laws of morality that transcend us, that everything is relative and that actions don't have consequences. What the heck, the president gets away with it! Nah, it must have been the guns. Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL It could have been ALL these things. SO WHAT? One can't do much in a real sense about most of the things that may be equally culpable in the equation that resulted in a wanton massacre. We can however, remove guns from the equation. Then if people go nuts or become immoral or enraged, it's not as devastating. Guns will go because it's the easiest solution. And it's about time. Joshua2 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- At 10:25 PM 5/24/99 -0700, nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guns will go because it's the easiest solution. And it's about time. Joshua2 Ummm. You really think that popular insurrection and civil war is the easiest solution. The Los Angeles riots were triggered by a jury verdict perceived by a minority of a minority to be politically unacceptable. Los Angeles was in a state of insurrection for days. Gun confiscation, overt or otherwise, WILL be perceived by 50 million gun owners as VERY POLITICALLY UNACCEPTABLE. It would be far more prudent and peaceable to teach liberals some tolerance of gun ownership and the practice of minding their own business. DBC DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] We can however, remove guns from the equation. Then if people go nuts or become immoral or enraged, it's not as devastating. Parallel: God(s) don't kill people, believers kill people. We can reduce religious sectarian violence by eliminating peoples' god(s) from the equation. Then if people go kill-crazy, they won't have deities or demons to blame, and they can be treated for their mental aberrations, rather than forgiven for zeal. But: guns or gods, we're talking Theology. True Believers in weapons-bearing have a religious creed, that their guns were given them by their god(s), and no mere mortal can touch their holy armaments. You might as well try to talk a spiritual fundy out of their belief system. Good luck. Rev. R.N. "what a friend we have in Uzi" Carter * no pacifists were shot during the production of this message * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Can We Blame all on Guns?
-Caveat Lector- It could have been ALL these things. SO WHAT? One can't do much in a real sense about most of the things that may be equally culpable in the equation that resulted in a wanton massacre. We can however, remove guns from the equation. Then if people go nuts or become immoral or enraged, it's not as devastating. Guns will go because it's the easiest solution. And it's about time. Joshua2 If the government ever tried to disarm the American people it would be open season on feds, and many a gun owner would be disappointed because there just aren't enough feds to go around. --- W E W I L L N O T D I S A R M ! Notice To All Politicians: It is time to speak plainly for the good citizens and patriots of this nation who believe unendingly in the Constitution of the United States of America. Though foreign governments may disarm their subjects, we will not go down that road. We will not disarm and see our freedoms stripped away. The lessons of history are numerous, clear, and bloody. A disarmed population inevitably becomes an enslaved population. A disarmed population is without power, reduced to childlike obedience to-and dependence upon - the organs of a parental state. A disarmed population will lose-either piecemeal or in one sweeping act - those basic rights for which the citizens of America risked their lives and fortunes over 200 years ago. We Will Not Disarm. The right to self-protection-the internal directive of every living creature, be it mouse or man - is the most fundamental right of all. It is a right that must be exercised against the predators of the streets, against the predators hidden within agencies of law enforcement, and against the most dangerous predators of all - those to be found in government, whose insidious grasping for power is relentless and never-ending. We Will Not Disarm. Not in the face of robbers, rapists and murderers who prey upon our families and friends. Nor in the face of police and bureau agents who would turn a blind eye to the Constitution, who would betray the birthright of their countrymen; nor in the face of politicians of the lowest order-those who pander to the ignorant, the weak, the fearful, the naive; those indebted to a virulent strain of the rich who insulate themselves from the dangers imposed upon other Americans and then preach disarmament. We will not surrender our handguns. We will not surrender our hunting arms. And we will not surrender our firearms of military pattern or military utility, nor their proper furnishings, nor the right to buy, to sell, or to manufacture such items. Firearms of military utility, which serve well and nobly in times of social disturbance as tools of defense for the law-abiding, serve also in the quiet role of prevention, against both the criminal and the tyrannical. An armed citizenry - the well-regulated militia of the Second Amendment, properly armed with military firearms - is a powerful deterrent, on both conscious and subconscious levels, to those inclined toward governmental usurpation's. An armed citizenry stands as a constant reminder to those in power that, though they may violate our rights temporarily, they will not do so endlessly and without consequence. And should Americans again be confronted with the necessity of - may God forbid it - throwing off the chains of a tyrannical and suffocating regime, firearms designed to answer the particular demands of warfare will provide the swiftest and most decisive means to this end. Any law which prohibits or limits a citizen's possession of firearms of military utility or their proper furnishings, provides an open window through which a corrupt government will crawl to steal away the remainder of our firearms and our liberties. Any law which prohibits or limits a citizen's possession of firearms of military utility or their proper furnishings, being directly contrary to the letter and spirit of the Second Amendment, is inimical to the Constitution, to the United States of America, and to its citizens. Now-today-we are witnessing the perilous times foreseen by the architects of the Constitution. These are times when our government is demanding - in the guise of measures for the common good - the relinquishment of several rights guaranteed to Americans in the Constitution, foremost among which is the right to keep and bear arms for our own defense. These are times when our government has abdicated its primary responsibility-to provide for the security of its citizens. Swift and sure punishment of outlaws is absent, and in its place is offered the false remedy of disarming the law-abiding. Where this unconstitutional action has been given the force of law, it has failed to provide relief and has produced greater social discord. This discord in turn now serves as the false basis for the demand that we give up other rights, and for the demand for more police, more agents of bureaucratic control to enforce the
