Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- Perhaps it would be good if you offered a specific example instead of blanketing all scientist in this fashion. I missed the beginning of this thread so I'm not sure if you are talking about a specific incident or just scientist in general. -- From: tenebroust Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists -Caveat Lector- That is precisely why the analogy works becuase established science has a religious structure and as such does not take any guff from those who wish to go outside of its constraints. On Wed, 27 June 2001, Foxter wrote: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#c8e0d8 DIVOn Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:BRgt;The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when theyBRgt;deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theoriesBRgt;proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read:BRgt;FACTS).BRBRThe problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, repleteBRwith its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the acceptedBRdogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'...BRBRBRJuneBRBR/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2And the leader of this new religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, thenbsp;motivation Greed./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2That explains why ordinarily kind men and women abandonnbsp;common sense and compassion./FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance--not soap-boxin---please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theor-'--with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fra-ds--is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- It is not a blanket statement. It is meant to refer to scientists who hold old line theories (not necessarily invalid or untrue ones, lets get that straight), like evolution, the inhabitants of early America, the origin of the Sphinx, etc. Who routinely keep research out of peer reviewed publications, ignore or ridicule alternate theories that are put forward by reputable scientists, NOT because the theories are stupid or invalid, or UNscientific but because they hold the view that their theory is correct and all others MUST therefore be wrong, and thus should be ignored. On Thu, 28 June 2001, Steve Suranie wrote: -Caveat Lector- Perhaps it would be good if you offered a specific example instead of blanketing all scientist in this fashion. I missed the beginning of this thread so I'm not sure if you are talking about a specific incident or just scientist in general. -- From: tenebroust Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 10:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists -Caveat Lector- That is precisely why the analogy works becuase established science has a religious structure and as such does not take any guff from those who wish to go outside of its constraints. On Wed, 27 June 2001, Foxter wrote: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#c8e0d8 DIVOn Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:BRgt;The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when theyBRgt;deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theoriesBRgt;proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read:BRgt;FACTS).BRBRThe problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, repleteBRwith its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the acceptedBRdogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'...BRBRBRJuneBRBR/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2And the leader of this new religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, thenbsp;motivation Greed./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2That explains why ordinarily kind men and women abandonnbsp;common sense and compassion./FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance--not soap-boxin---please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theor-'--with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fra-ds--is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: FACTS). On Tue, 26 June 2001, Andrew Hennessey wrote: -Caveat Lector- yep lets feel superior about the ordinary joe six pack lay person - thenlets have a critical look at our superior intellect and where exactly that has gotten the human race over the last century. Did you know that Lord kelvin wrote a treatise on aether and gravitation which he presented to the royal society in 1901 and in that he not only puts forward the theory of the gaseous turbulence of the aether but of the basic principles of Chaos Theory - and by doing so - he had advanced Cosmology by a hundred years - see www.santafe.edu but look where we are now - Einstein's disclaimer on aether was the michelson morley experiment - I mean is it logical that if we examine the inside of something the size of a can of beans for aether and not find any that we can then project that classically irrationally result as an absolute a priori on INFINITY ?? Einstein's fixed C and no ether also hit the skids in 1920 with Olbers paradox - has anybody ever heard of it - if not - why not - it suggests that its a paradox that the sky isn't white at night - because all the photons in the cosmos should have been here by now - but something - some paradox has held them up [not ether say the ignorant scientists] but something - its a paradox - blah blah By the rules of the scientific game written by karl Popper in his Conjectures and Refutations he suggests that if a theory is not falsifiable it is redundant - that it is not rational to keeep going back to and remodifying a theroy - it should be discarded - but ignorant 'scientists' keep doing that with the Big bang - even though there is a ribbon of galaxies called the great wall with matter far older than the big bang theory allows for - another lemon that should be trashed. Schifflers Horns is a paradox in mathematical topology - in this LINEAR cosmos it keeps showing up fractal. Well Schifflers horns is the mathematical PROOF that the Universe is a chaos event and non-linear. And superstring theory and all the spin off garbage - have you ever in your life heard of a more bizarre pile of crap ?? its another example of the constant modification of a theory that should have been scrapped decades ago. Everytime the 'scientists' hit a snag - they just add in another mathematical dimension and another layer of absurd abstraction. It goes completely against the cornertsone rationality of popper and the simple is best Occams Razor. I'm NOT saying that the empirical DATA on physics is bad - just the MODEL of superstrings that it is deployed on is Crass. and we look at all the 'scientists' working for the military industrial complex - and some people feel superior over the laymen ??? scientists with worthless doctorates in physics and a washed out paradigm FULL of PARADOXES and un-unified Physics - and these 'scientists' advise governments that there is No Global Warming [thatcher/carbon tax], that it is ok to lower the pasteurisation temperatures of meat processing to make the processes yield more profit. that microwaves and radioactivity do not build up damage - that food stuffs containing harmful chemicals are ok and those 'scientists' feel superior ?? what a laugh no the common man doesn't have a professorship in STUPIDITY he does have COMMON SENSE - and he/she knows that 'Science' is desperately trying to paper over the Cracks ... but its more obvious than that - the greatest scientific achievement in recent years was not some brilliant flawed genius like einstein or tesla or kelvin with sweeping new paradigms - it was rows and rows of big big machines doing the sorting for the human genome project - if you can give the monkeys enough typewriters - they will get their Nobel. andrew hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote: The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: FACTS). The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'... June === Alternative Kite Radio (basic) Alternative Kite Summer Beachparty Radio (it's always summer somewhere) Alternative Kite Holiday Radio (everyday's a holiday) Check out Alternative Kite Radio at http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com === A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- Of course this could be twisted the other way around, any scientist not agreeing with your view can be labeled ignorant and said to prescribe to the new religion and its rules and dogma... -- From: Foxter Reply To: Conspiracy Theory Research List Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote: The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: FACTS). The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'... June And the leader of this new religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, the motivation Greed. That explains why ordinarily kind men and women abandon common sense and compassion. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
From: Steve Suranie Of course this could be twisted the other way around, any scientist notagreeing with your view can be labeled ignorant and said to prescribe to thenew religion and its rules and dogma...I don't care whose views they 'agree' with, including my own... What I DO care about is that anyone calling themselves a scientist go thru the scientific process to prove or disprove any theory or point. Too many of them react with a kneejerk response to anything considered avant-garde or 'kooky', and don't examine the evidence let alone try to recreate the thing they condemn outright without investigating. June Check out Alternative Kite Radio -- http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com _IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- You hit on an excellent point and that is that we don't have to agree but the end result should be a fair representation of the facts and alternative theories should be considered, not shunted aside and ridiculed. Don't label yourself impartial unless you truly are. On Wed, 27 June 2001, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1html head meta name=GENERATOR content=IncrediMail 1.0 /head BODY background= bgColor=#ff style=BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 1px scroll=yes ORGYPOS=0 TABLE border=0 cellPadding=0 cellSpacing=0 id=INCREDIMAINTABLE width=95% TR TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION width=100% style=FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; PADDING-LEFT: 7px; PADDING-RIGHT: 7px DIV id=receivestrings DIV dir=ltr style=FONT-SIZE: 11pt iBFrom:/B/I A href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];Steve Suranie/A/DIV/DIV Pgt;Of course this could be twisted the other way around, any scientist notBRgt;agreeing with your view can be labeled ignorant and said to prescribe to theBRgt;new religion and its rules and dogma...BRBRI don't care whose views they 'agree' with, including my own.../P Pnbsp;/P PWhat I DO care about is that anyone calling themselves a scientist go thru the scientific process to prove or disprove any theory or point.nbsp; Too many of them react with a kneejerk response to anything considered avant-garde or 'kooky', and don't examine the evidence let alone try to recreate the thing they condemn outright without investigating./P Pnbsp;/P DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVJune/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVCheck out Alternative Kite Radio -- A href=http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com;http://www.altkiteradio.trancetechno.com/A/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV DIVnbsp;/DIV Pnbsp;/P/TD /TR TR TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width=100% TABLE cellPadding=0 cellSpacing=0 width=100% TR TD width=100%/TD TD align=middle id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom/TD TD align=middle id=INCREDIANIM vAlign=bottom/TD /TR /TABLE /TD /TR /TABLESPAN id=IncrediStampSPAN dir=ltrFONT face=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif size=2_BRFONT face=Comic Sans MS size=2IIncrediMail/I - BEmail has finally evolved/B - /FONTA href=http://www.incredimail.com/imstampa.html;FONT face=Times New Roman size=3BUClick Here/U/B/FONT/A/SPAN/SPAN/FONT /BODY /html Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- That is precisely why the analogy works becuase established science has a religious structure and as such does not take any guff from those who wish to go outside of its constraints. On Wed, 27 June 2001, Foxter wrote: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 META content=MSHTML 5.50.4134.600 name=GENERATOR STYLE/STYLE /HEAD BODY bgColor=#c8e0d8 DIVOn Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote:BRgt;The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when theyBRgt;deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theoriesBRgt;proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read:BRgt;FACTS).BRBRThe problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, repleteBRwith its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the acceptedBRdogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'...BRBRBRJuneBRBR/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2And the leader of this new religion is the Dollar/ECU/Yen, thenbsp;motivation Greed./FONT/DIV DIVFONT face=Galliard BT color=#80 size=2That explains why ordinarily kind men and women abandonnbsp;common sense and compassion./FONT/DIV/BODY/HTML Welcome to the desert of the real. Morpheus, in The Matrix My God it's full of stars! Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey Find the best deals on the web at AltaVista Shopping! http://www.shopping.altavista.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Jun 2001, tenebroust wrote: The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they deliberately do not look at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories proposed that do not fit into their well established theories (read: FACTS). The problem is that Modern Science has become a new religion, replete with its own rules and dogma...and anyone deviating from the accepted dogma is branded a heretic and 'excommunicated'... June Amen! I recommend Robert Anton Wilson's The New Inquisition which is subtitled Irrational Rationalism and the Citadel of Science. -- ´´ Mark McHugh A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- yep lets feel superior about the ordinary joe six pack lay person - thenlets have a critical look at our superior intellect and where exactly that has gotten the human race over the last century. Did you know that Lord kelvin wrote a treatise on aether and gravitation which he presented to the royal society in 1901 and in that he not only puts forward the theory of the gaseous turbulence of the aether but of the basic principles of Chaos Theory - and by doing so - he had advanced Cosmology by a hundred years - see www.santafe.edu but look where we are now - Einstein's disclaimer on aether was the michelson morley experiment - I mean is it logical that if we examine the inside of something the size of a can of beans for aether and not find any that we can then project that classically irrationally result as an absolute a priori on INFINITY ?? Einstein's fixed C and no ether also hit the skids in 1920 with Olbers paradox - has anybody ever heard of it - if not - why not - it suggests that its a paradox that the sky isn't white at night - because all the photons in the cosmos should have been here by now - but something - some paradox has held them up [not ether say the ignorant scientists] but something - its a paradox - blah blah By the rules of the scientific game written by karl Popper in his Conjectures and Refutations he suggests that if a theory is not falsifiable it is redundant - that it is not rational to keeep going back to and remodifying a theroy - it should be discarded - but ignorant 'scientists' keep doing that with the Big bang - even though there is a ribbon of galaxies called the great wall with matter far older than the big bang theory allows for - another lemon that should be trashed. Schifflers Horns is a paradox in mathematical topology - in this LINEAR cosmos it keeps showing up fractal. Well Schifflers horns is the mathematical PROOF that the Universe is a chaos event and non-linear. And superstring theory and all the spin off garbage - have you ever in your life heard of a more bizarre pile of crap ?? its another example of the constant modification of a theory that should have been scrapped decades ago. Everytime the 'scientists' hit a snag - they just add in another mathematical dimension and another layer of absurd abstraction. It goes completely against the cornertsone rationality of popper and the simple is best Occams Razor. I'm NOT saying that the empirical DATA on physics is bad - just the MODEL of superstrings that it is deployed on is Crass. and we look at all the 'scientists' working for the military industrial complex - and some people feel superior over the laymen ??? scientists with worthless doctorates in physics and a washed out paradigm FULL of PARADOXES and un-unified Physics - and these 'scientists' advise governments that there is No Global Warming [thatcher/carbon tax], that it is ok to lower the pasteurisation temperatures of meat processing to make the processes yield more profit. that microwaves and radioactivity do not build up damage - that food stuffs containing harmful chemicals are ok and those 'scientists' feel superior ?? what a laugh no the common man doesn't have a professorship in STUPIDITY he does have COMMON SENSE - and he/she knows that 'Science' is desperately trying to paper over the Cracks ... but its more obvious than that - the greatest scientific achievement in recent years was not some brilliant flawed genius like einstein or tesla or kelvin with sweeping new paradigms - it was rows and rows of big big machines doing the sorting for the human genome project - if you can give the monkeys enough typewriters - they will get their Nobel. andrew hennessey A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] How Ignorant are Scientists
-Caveat Lector- yep lets feel superior about the ordinary joe six pack lay person - thenlets have a critical look at our superior intellect and where exactly that has gotten the human race over the last century. Did you know that Lord kelvin wrote a treatise on aether and gravitation which he presented to the royal society in 1901 and in that he not only puts forward the theory of the gaseous turbulence of the aether but of the basic principles of Chaos Theory - and by doing so - he had advanced Cosmology by a hundred years - see www.santafe.edu but look where we are now - Einstein's disclaimer on aether was the michelson morley experiment - I mean is it logical that if we examine the inside of something the size of a can of beans for aether and not find any that we can then project that classically irrationally result as an absolute a priori on INFINITY ?? ie. make it into a universal law !!!?? Einstein's fixed C and no ether also hit the skids in 1920 with Olbers paradox - has anybody ever heard of it - if not - why not - it suggests that its a paradox that the sky isn't white at night - because all the photons in the cosmos should have been here by now - but something - some paradox has held them up [not ether say the ignorant scientists] but something - its a paradox - blah blah By the rules of the scientific game written by karl Popper in his Conjectures and Refutations he suggests that if a theory is not falsifiable it is redundant - that it is not rational to keeep going back to and remodifying a theroy - it should be discarded - but ignorant 'scientists' keep doing that with the Big bang - even though there is a ribbon of galaxies called the great wall with matter far older than the big bang theory allows for - another lemon that should be trashed. Schifflers Horns is a paradox in mathematical topology - in this LINEAR cosmos it keeps showing up fractal. Well Schifflers horns is the mathematical PROOF that the Universe is a chaos event and non-linear. And superstring theory and all the spin off garbage - have you ever in your life heard of a more bizarre pile of crap ?? its another example of the constant modification of a theory that should have been scrapped decades ago. Everytime the 'scientists' hit a snag - they just add in another mathematical dimension and another layer of absurd abstraction. It goes completely against the cornertsone rationality of popper and the simple is best Occams Razor. I'm NOT saying that the empirical DATA on physics is bad - just the MODEL of superstrings that it is deployed on is Crass. and we look at all the 'scientists' working for the military industrial complex - and some people feel superior over the laymen ??? scientists with worthless doctorates in physics and a washed out paradigm FULL of PARADOXES and un-unified Physics - and these 'scientists' advise governments that there is No Global Warming [thatcher/carbon tax], that it is ok to lower the pasteurisation temperatures of meat processing to make the processes yield more profit. that microwaves and radioactivity do not build up damage - that food stuffs containing harmful chemicals are ok and those 'scientists' feel superior ?? what a laugh no the common man doesn't have a professorship in STUPIDITY he does have COMMON SENSE - and he/she knows that 'Science' is desperately trying to paper over the Cracks ... but its more obvious than that - the greatest scientific achievement in recent years was not some brilliant flawed genius like einstein or tesla or kelvin with sweeping new paradigms - it was rows and rows of big big machines doing the sorting for the human genome project - if you can give the monkeys enough typewriters - they will get their Nobel. andrew hennessey transformation studies group A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
