Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

From: "Kindred Spirit" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 It has always been my understanding that "Caveat
 Lector" was there for a reason before each post and
 that a person could post something and not expect to
 be attacked personally because of the content of the
 post.

Then you really are the idiot you come off as being...


 If an articel

"Articel"?


 calls somebody a name that is not
 the same as the person who posted it doing so, unless
 they are also the author of the article.

Yes, you are an idiot.

Unless someone specifically puts a disclaimer of "Forwarded Without Endorsement", then 
it is to be expected
that the person forwarding the post agrees with the sentiments expressed therein.

"Caveat Lector" has nothing to do with whether the person sending the post actually 
agrees with the opinions
expressed within the post.  It just warns the reader to not necessarily accept what is 
posted at face value,
it says nothing regarding what the person sending the post actually feels or believes 
about the post.


 So everybody endorese every article

"Endorese"?


 they post 100% or issue an elaborate explanation.

No explanation is necessary, unless the person forwarding the post does not agree with 
the sentiments
expressed therein and is only forwarding it for information purposes only...then it is 
up to the person doing
the forwarding to clearly state that they do not endorse what is in the post and are 
forwarding for
information purposes only.  And if they don't, they have no business wasting bandwidth 
on the list by whining
for days that they were misunderstood.


  And it is very impractical because a person might
 endorse paragraphs 3, 5 and 7 but not 2 and 4.

Then it is up to you to specifically spell out what you DO endorse, and what you do 
not.  And failing that,
you have no business bitching and moaning over the fact that people presumed you 
endorsed the opinions
expressed in the post you forwarded.


 I can change my name if you do not like it.

You do it all the time, Colleen, whether we like it or not...


 It was
 changed twice for me already by people just like you,
 once when I started to school and again to give me an
 anglo name.  My anglo name is Abbey. I hate it. But
 this time I think I will cahnge it to Prudy June.
 Anglo names are better, aren't they?

I wouldn't know.  I'm not even sure what an 'Anglo name' really is...

"June" comes from the latin "Juno"...

Why not just stick with Colleen, Colleen?


 We are
 band and you are good.

"We are band"?  Is that anything like "We are Borg"?


 As for you, June, telling me to get a skin (scalp) on
 ebay, you are just too funny for words and your ethnic
 slur is not wasted on me.

There was nothing ethnic about it, idiot.  First off, I never used the word 'scalp' 
(and by your referencing
it, I presume you are claiming to be of Native American extraction?)...I specifically 
told you to get a
thicker skin, if you want to play with us big kids.

Your continual whining, bitching, and moaning proves my point -- you are extremely 
thinned-skinned, and if you
can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.


 I wonder why posting an
 article containing an ethnic or racial slur written by
 somebody else (and containing other more important
 information)is so evil but yours to me is not.

Because you are an idiot, who sees ethnic slurs when the slur has nothing to do with 
your ethnicity, but with
your tiny, pea-sized brain.

Until this post of yours, I had no idea what ethnicity you claimed for yourself.  And 
it matters not a whit
what your ancestors were, it doesn't change the fact that you are still an idiot.


 You cannot
 tolerate people who do not agree with you.

There are many people on this list who disagree with me...Prudy is one of them.

What I really cannot tolerate is the idiocy and stupidity such as you constantly 
display.


 And for your edification, June, the People of the
 Hills North American Natives did not traditionally
 take scalps any more than your own ancestors probably
 did.

Again, where do you get anything regarding scalps?  I never once said anything about 
scalps, and had no idea
you claim to be a Native American.


 Maybe you and Prudy and Nessie could go to
 ebay yourselves and get something to make you less
 hypercritical and some manners and a new decency as
 yours is seriously flawed.  None of you contribute
 very much to this list

And what do you define as contributing 'very much to this list'?


June

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Kindred Spirit]

-Caveat Lector-

I am NOT and have never claimed to be a "Native
American."  I AM a North American Native.  You have
called many people Colleen.  I think you and Prudy are
the same person but I do not care for you are full of
shit as both people.  According to you, who seem to
make the rules now, everybody on the list is Colleen.
Scalps and skins are close enough to make your slur,
much closer and directly from your mouth, unlike the
one you liars accused me of making.  You never post
anything and like Prudy your sole function is to argue
and be rude to people who do try to
post.PrudyJune(formerly Kindred Spirit)--- Ynr Chyldz
Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- 
From: "Kindred Spirit" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 It has always been my understanding that "Caveat 
Lector" was there for a reason before each post and
 that a person could post something and not expect
to  be attacked personally because of the content
of the  post.  Then you really are the idiot you
come off as being...If an articel 
"Articel"?calls somebody a name that is not 
the same as the person who posted it doing so,
unless  they are also the author of the article. 
Yes, you are an idiot.  Unless someone specifically
puts a disclaimer of "Forwarded Without Endorsement",
then it is to be expected that the person forwarding
the post agrees with the sentiments expressed
therein.  "Caveat Lector" has nothing to do with
whether the person sending the post actually agrees
with the opinions expressed within the post.  It
just warns the reader to not necessarily accept what
is posted at face value, it says nothing regarding
what the person sending the post actually feels or
believes about the post.So everybody endorese
every article  "Endorese"?they post 100% or
issue an elaborate explanation.  No explanation is
necessary, unless the person forwarding the post does
not agree with the sentiments expressed therein and
is only forwarding it for information purposes
only...then it is up to the person doing the
forwarding to clearly state that they do not endorse
what is in the post and are forwarding for
information purposes only.  And if they don't, they
have no business wasting bandwidth on the list by
whining for days that they were misunderstood.   
 And it is very impractical because a person might 
endorse paragraphs 3, 5 and 7 but not 2 and 4.  Then
it is up to you to specifically spell out what you DO
endorse, and what you do not.  And failing that, you
have no business bitching and moaning over the fact
that people presumed you endorsed the opinions
expressed in the post you forwarded.I can
change my name if you do not like it.  You do it all
the time, Colleen, whether we like it or not...  
 It was  changed twice for me already by people
just like you,  once when I started to school and
again to give me an  anglo name.  My anglo name is
Abbey. I hate it. But  this time I think I will
cahnge it to Prudy June.  Anglo names are better,
aren't they?  I wouldn't know.  I'm not even sure
what an 'Anglo name' really is...  "June" comes
from the latin "Juno"...  Why not just stick with
Colleen, Colleen?We are  band and you are
good.  "We are band"?  Is that anything like "We are
Borg"?As for you, June, telling me to get a
skin (scalp) on  ebay, you are just too funny for
words and your ethnic  slur is not wasted on me. 
There was nothing ethnic about it, idiot.  First off,
I never used the word 'scalp' (and by your
referencing it, I presume you are claiming to be of
Native American extraction?)...I specifically told
you to get a thicker skin, if you want to play with
us big kids.  Your continual whining, bitching, and
moaning proves my point -- you are extremely
thinned-skinned, and if you can't take the heat, get
out of the kitchen.I wonder why posting an 
article containing an ethnic or racial slur written
by  somebody else (and containing other more
important  information)is so evil but yours to me is
not.  Because you are an idiot, who sees ethnic
slurs when the slur has nothing to do with your
ethnicity, but with your tiny, pea-sized brain. 
Until this post of yours, I had no idea what
ethnicity you claimed for yourself.  And it matters
not a whit what your ancestors were, it doesn't
change the fact that you are still an idiot.   
You cannot  tolerate people who do not agree with
you.  There are many people on this list who
disagree with me...Prudy is one of them.  What I
really cannot tolerate is the idiocy and stupidity
such as you constantly display.And for your
edification, June, the People of the  Hills North
American Natives did not traditionally  take scalps
any more than your own ancestors probably  did. 
Again, where do you get anything regarding scalps?  I
never once said anything about scalps, and had no
idea you claim to be a Native American.Maybe
you and Prudy and Nessie could go to  ebay
yourselves and get something to make you less 
hypercritical and some manners and a new decency as
 

Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

From: "Kindred Spirit" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
 somebody a "coon" why did no one else attack me?

Because no one wanted to grant your post any suggestion of dignity that it did not 
deserve by wasting
bandwidth replying to it...


 Remember a while back when Kris put the "Caveat
 Lector" back on every post?

I'm not aware that it ever went away...


 That was so assholes like
 you would not assume because a person posts something,
 they endorse it.

No, it means just what it says, "Reader Beware"...which does NOT construe anything 
regarding whether a poster
endorses what they post or not.  Someone can endorse and believe in what they post, 
but the reader should
still be wary of it all the same...


 Personal beliefs are just that and I
 have no intention of sharing mine with scum like you,
 Mr. Name-calling Liar.

Then perhaps you have no place on a conspiracy research theory DISCUSSION list...


 I know a man who has driven home from
 a bar looped every night for forty years, however,
 without injuring another person other than himself.

Yourself, perhaps?  ;-)


 Kindred Spirit

We're still waiting to see your answer to the question that was raised previously:  
"'Kindred' to WHAT?"


June (who is sure she is now in for a round of vitriolic BS from KS)

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Ynr Chyldz Wyld]

-Caveat Lector-

From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 You're absolutely right, June, and I hear they're going to do away with
 coffee breaks too.  Prudy

If you truly equate coffee breaks with what Clinton and Lewinsky did, there is 
obviously nothing more to
say...

Other than the rest of us recognize that 'sex breaks' are in a whole other category 
than coffee breaks...


June

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Nessie]

-Caveat Lector-

If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called  somebody a "coon"
why did no one else attack me?


I got there first. The other people were apparently polite enough not to
waste bandwidth with a bunch of “dittos”.





you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did not call anybody anything.  You, on the
other hand,  called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool and said I should
not post here.


Let me rephrase that. You SOUND stupid. Maybe you’re not, but like the
man said, “If it quacks like a duck . . .”




Then you threatened me with  physical violence in how in person you
would not be so  polite.  

That was not directed at only you. That’s a general statement. It
applies to everyone. Insult to my face, me, or my friends, or anybody I
respect, and I’ll hurt you. I don’t care who you are. I don’t care how
big you are. I don’t care how many you are. You’re gonna get hurt.
Maybe I’ll get hurt, too. Maybe I wont. Either way, I don’t care, and
either way, you’re gonna get hurt. That’s a fact. That’s how I live my
life. If you don’t like it, avoid insulting me in person, save your
insults for a safe distance, like over the internet. That’s how cowards
do it. . .


How dare you lie and say I said something I did not 

I said you “appeared” to call somebody a “coon”. That’s no lie. You did,
in fact, do exactly that. 





and threaten me, you little creep!!  

You know how big I am? How’d you manage that?



I assure  you I am not one bit frightened by your threats and personal
attacks.  

Ditto. Anybody else’s either.



You prove every FBI agent is a liar and evil. I would think some are
and some are not just like everybody  else.  

I did prove it. Anybody who refuses to resign in disgust from an
organization which murders innocent women and children in cold blood, is
evil. Evil people lie.




It is unfortunate that you were hit by a car   but that does NOT give
you the right to call me names.  I did not do it.  


You condoned its cause.


There are degrees and levels of  misconduct and intoxication.
Comparing an incident of  DUI with no injuries is nothing like Manson
where  murders were committed.  


They didn’t always kill. Sometimes they broke in and found nobody home.
Same with drunk driving. It doesn’t always result in death, but that’s
not the fault of the drunken driver. It’s the fault of blind fate.



Some people have car wrecks  and run others down without being under
the influence  of alcohol, too.  

That’s a separate issue.



Defending one is NOT defending ALL.


Defending drunk driving is defending drunk driving. The numbers are
irrelevant.



Driving while intoxicatd is wrong and I have stated  that all along.  


Even in the case of G.W.? Is what he did wrong, yes or no?




I know a man who has driven home from  a bar looped every night for
forty years, however,  without injuring another person other than
himself.


Blind luck.



Oh you are so sophistocated in your liberal views!


I’m not a liberal. I’m an anarchist. I dislike liberals, and liberalism,
intensely. For details, read my last column at SFBG.com:

  http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/33.html




Well, Clinton and Jackson both PROFESS to be Baptists  and practice a
religion that condemns adultry.  


Then they should not commit adultery. Never do anything your religion
forbids. It generates cognitive dissonance. Do not, however, attempt to
force the rest of us to practice your religion. That leads to social
dissonance. Fifteen hundred years of bloody religious warfare is enough.





I'll bet his daughter was not at all embarassed by his actions!  You
would not have been and that is the measure by which you think the
universe is gauged--the World According to Nessie.


If it was my dad, I’d be proud he was that old and still getting some.




DO NOT THREATEN ME AGAIN, EVER, NESSIE and do not bother to call me
names, either.  

I didn’t threaten you. I stated a fact. Anyone, yourself included, who
insults me to my face, is gonna get hurt. That’s not a threat. That’s a
fact of life, like weather or gravity. Get used to it.

On the other hand, stuff you say from the safe distance of the internet,
I don’t mind at all. Au contrair. I take it as a compliment that you
would devote so many keystrokes to me.  Feel free to continue. There’s
no such thing as bad publicity.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Kindred Spirit]

-Caveat Lector-

Nessie, June and Prudy,
It has always been my understanding that "Caveat
Lector" was there for a reason before each post and
that a person could post something and not expect to
be attacked personally because of the content of the
post.  If an articel calls somebody a name that is not
the same as the person who posted it doing so, unless
they are also the author of the article.  So everybody
endorese every article they post 100% or issue an
elaborate explanation.  It was posted before that this
was not necessary and wasted bandwidth which I
understand is paid for by Kris and not you three
tyrants.  That is just not so because some people post
articles on both sides of an issue like Mike Spritzer.
 And it is very impractical because a person might
endorse paragraphs 3, 5 and 7 but not 2 and 4.  What
you say is not true or maybe you expect me to say you
speak with forked tongue.

I can change my name if you do not like it.  It was
changed twice for me already by people just like you,
once when I started to school and again to give me an
anglo name.  My anglo name is Abbey. I hate it. But
this time I think I will cahnge it to Prudy June.
Anglo names are better, aren't they?

Obviously, to me anyway, I meant my grandmother named
me before she died but she is dead now and cannot be
contacted, except spiritually, to ask her why she did
such an awful thing.  She died on the res in North
Carolina in the luxury accommodations there also
provided by good  people just like you.  Heat would
have been nice, but beggars cannot be choosers, can
they. And you know best how to deal with people like
us.  We are very ignorant and you are wise.  We are
band and you are good.

As for you, June, telling me to get a skin (scalp) on
ebay, you are just too funny for words and your ethnic
slur is not wasted on me.  I wonder why posting an
article containing an ethnic or racial slur written by
somebody else (and containing other more important
information)is so evil but yours to me is not. Well,
on this list that all depends on who is doing the
slurring. And more importantly which ethnic group is
being slurred.

As for having thick skins, that is not necessarily a
virtue.  Many people with thick skins have them
because they are crass and insensitive.  I have
watched you people hound others away like Eagle 1 and
I wonder just what you are so afraid of.  You cannot
tolerate people who do not agree with you.

And for your edification, June, the People of the
Hills North American Natives did not traditionally
take scalps any more than your own ancestors probably
did. Please give me your source for that implication.
I would be fascinated to read this version of history
as I have always been with regard to North American
Natives. Maybe you and Prudy and Nessie could go to
ebay yourselves and get something to make you less
hypercritical and some manners and a new decency as
yours is seriously flawed.  None of you contribute
very much to this list yet you seem to think you are
free to insult every poster you do not like and
usually operate as a wolf pack does.  Anybody who does
not like your abuse can get out and don't let the door
hit them in the ass, etc.  I know the drill.  I have
been dealing with drills from people like you my
entire life but I am still here.

Nessie, you in your blind rage have failed to notice
that nobody is or has threatened you or your imaginary
friends who are being threatened.  My friends and I
feel the very same way about somebody who lies about
us as you did me. If you are ever in North Carolina, I
would like to personally invite you to stop by for a
visit.  And I fully understand how you do not want
people like me wasting "your"air or taking up "your'
space. We have our own and should stay within it.  I
understand and am only "out" to go to school.

So anybody on the list who, as Nessie assures me,
thinks because an article I posted called somebody a
name means that I, too, did that, I want to hear from
you, too.  Please post. At leat contact me off list.
I will read all future posts with an eye that the
poster endorses, condones and is a very strong
advocate of whatever they post.  This changes the
meaning of the entire list.  Insteada of a source of
information, it is merely a soapbox for each person to
post their own views and opinions and things they
advocate. So we must all keep that in mind and post
only those causes which we are willing to die for.
That should eliminate lots of posts and leave
everything wide open for these three.
PrudyJune
(Formerly Kindred Spirit)

--- Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

 If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
 somebody a "coon"
 why did no one else attack me?


 I got there first. The other people were apparently
 polite enough not to
 waste bandwidth with a bunch of “dittos”.





 you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did not call anybody
 anything.  You, on the
 other hand,  called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool
 and said I 

[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Kindred Spirit]

-Caveat Lector-

You seem to have a personal problem with me, Nessie,
but I assure you that it is you and not I who looks
foolish comparing the behavior of the Leader of the
Free World, a middle-aged man, the Commander in Chief,
with that of a kid 25 years ago who was basically a
nobody at the time and quite young.  Most people
acknowledge the "follies of youth."  Nobody cares
about Clinton's sex life!  You miss the point that
this was done in the presidential office and followed
by a series of lying. It demonstrates lack of judgment
and character and was lying to a federal grand jury.
Why do you want it to be about sex?  That is not the
issue and not the complaint although pretty shoddy
behavior for a married man, etc. And yes, I realize
others have "done it, too" but that does not make it a
fine example of the exactly best behavior in his
position, lying to grand juries aside.  It was a very
stupid thing for a person in his unique position to do
period.  So now Clinton is a perfect gentleman the
epitome of gracious treatment of women, a model for
all men to follow.

YOU prove that he (Bush) endangered the lives of
others and that there were other drivers even present
at the time.  He could have been basically alone on
the road with the officer issuing the ticket.  YOU
prove he was beyond his personal tolerance of alcohol
as some people are able to tolerate blood levels much
higher than others.  Prove that he is not one of
these.  I conceded that AT THE TIME, driving under the
influence of alcohol was not given the seriousness it
deserved but you have to launch a personal attack,
every time I post it seems, don't you?

Well, I take exception to your assertion that I am a
fool, etc.  Your own logic is often flawed and mere
opinion.  As for the charges against Clinton, I do not
know if they were all covered in his deal or if we may
yet see proof of some of these.  At least the Bush
episode is over and in the past and not ongoing.

So I should not post because you do not like the
content of my post.  I will wait for Kris to inform me
of that and not you.  At least I am not violating the
"always be civil" rule as you are, twice today just to
me not counting others I may yet read.  Get a grip,
walk it off! This is not your list and others are
allowed to post here unless the Listowner decides
otherwise. Until then, kindly delete my posts as they
seem to cause you great distress concerning my mental
capabilities and state.  I don't care a rip whether
you think I am stupid (your previous post)or foolish
or both.
KS


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 -Caveat Lector-

 Yet those wanting to detract from him act as though
  this just happened
 the way Clinton's sexcapades did.

 Apples and oranges. Bush endangered lives, maybe
 yours, maybe mine, and
 definitely his own.  Clinton had sex.  Nobody got
 hurt from Clinton
 having sex with Monica till the prudes butted in and
 started squawking
 about it. Then it distracted the attention of a tax
 paid public official
 and made it more difficult for him to do the job
 that we the public had
 paid him to do. So we got less work than we paid him
 for. Ergo, the
 people who impeached Clinton over his affair with
 Monica were ripping us
 off for our hard earned cash when they did it. They
 did the harm, not
 him and Monica having sex. Sex is not immoral.
 Stealing from taxpayers
 is immoral. If you’re so concerned with the morals
 of elected officials,
 why aren’t you squawking about that?


 Rape is not serious?

 (1.) Rape is not sex. Rape is assault.

 (2.) He is ALLEGED to have raped somebody. G.W. Bush
 is alleged to be a
 shape shifting reptoid from outer space. Allegations
 are allegations,
 and nothing more.  Talk is cheap. Prove he raped
 somebody or shut up
 about it.  These unsubstantiated allegations are
 getting very boring.


 Selling nuclear secrets to China is not serious?

 Again, that too is only alleged. What’s the matter,
 do you think the
 Chinese aren’t smart enough to come up with MIRV on
 their own? This is
 the culture came up with gun powder, the compass and
 paper. Their
 government ain’t much to look at, but their
 scientists are top notch.

  Just because somebody alleges something, that
 doesn’t mean it’s true.
 You’re may be too young to remember, but in the 50’s
 the ultra-right was
 alleging that the President was a Communist agent.
 Ultra-rightists
 allege a lot of crap about people they don’t like.
 Allegations are
 nothing but talk. Show proof or shut up about it.

 When you don’t show proof, and you don’t shut up
 either, you look like a
 fool. Is that want you really want to do? Do you
 WANT to look like a
 fool? 

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

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In a message dated 01/22/2001 7:45:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Driving while drinking at that time
 was not taken as seriously as it should have been but
 we should compare Clinton's youth to Bush's youth and
 NOT Clinton as an adult to Bush as a yo 

You're absolutely right.  I lived in Georgia, and I must say, driving and
drinking were not taken very seriously at all.  They could be drunk as skunks
and have amazing accidents.  It was never taken seriously if one of their
relatives was a big man around town.  And in truth, Dubya stopped drinking
when he was 40.  That was Henry Hyde's age when he was having a youthful
indiscretion.  Republicans mature later than the average bear, don't they?
Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

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  They had nicknames
 I can't recall, and I'm sure not going to put their real  names on the net.


Ask around, dear, I'm still not going to put their names on the net; although
I got them (not from the inner circles) from the magazine section of my
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   They had nicknames
  I can't recall, and I'm sure not going to put their real  names
 on the net.
 

 Ask around, dear, I'm still not going to put their names on the
 net; although
 I got them (not from the inner circles) from the magazine section of my
 Sunday paper a couple of years ago.  I had forgotten them.  It didn't seem
 like a very nice thing to publicize after all that time.  Prudy

Thank you so much for clearing all that up.
Heh heh heh...

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[kl]

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On 23 Jan 2001, at 5:27, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:


 Ask around, dear, I'm still not going to put their names on the net;
 although I got them (not from the inner circles) from the magazine
 section of my Sunday paper a couple of years ago.  I had forgotten
 them.  It didn't seem like a very nice thing to publicize after all
 that time.  Prudy


We shouldn't have to "ask around" - you made the allegations, it is
up to _you_ to provide the proof - just as you demand of the other
listmembers.

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

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From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apples and oranges. Bush endangered lives, maybe yours, maybe mine, and
definitely his own.  Clinton had sex.  Nobody got hurt from Clinton
having sex with Monica

So, you don't think Clinton's wife and daughter were hurt by his marital infidelity?


till the prudes butted in and started squawking
about it. Then it distracted the attention of a tax paid public official
and made it more difficult for him to do the job that we the public had
paid him to do. So we got less work than we paid him for. Ergo, the
people who impeached Clinton over his affair with Monica were ripping us
off for our hard earned cash when they did it.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not for having an extramarital affair.  
Big difference.

And that big difference is the reason why the impeachment was NOT 'ripping us off for 
our hard earned cash'...


They did the harm, not
him and Monica having sex. Sex is not immoral.

According to many religions, sex under the circumstances that Clinton and Lewinsky 
engaged in it IS 'immoral'.
And in many states it is still illegal.

It is also immoral for an employer to sexually harass an employee, and the 'affair' 
between Clinton and
Lewinsky qualifies as such.


Stealing from taxpayers is immoral.

A public official, whose salary is paid for by the taxpayer, who instead of conducting 
the duties of his job
during working hours engages in sexual hankypanky with an underling, such escapades 
taking place in a public
building paid for by the taxpayer for the conducting of the nation's business and NOT 
to be turned into a
bordello, is also immoral.


June

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

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On 23 Jan 2001, at 10:38, Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote:


 A public official, whose salary is paid for by the taxpayer, who
 instead of conducting the duties of his job during working hours
 engages in sexual hankypanky with an underling, such escapades taking
 place in a public building paid for by the taxpayer for the conducting
 of the nation's business and NOT to be turned into a bordello, is also
 immoral.


It is also ripping us off for our hard earned cash.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

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Most people acknowledge the "follies of youth."  

By that logic, we ought to turn the Manson gang loose. After all, they
were pretty  young at the time they killed those people.


Nobody cares about Clinton's sex life!  

That is patently false. He wouldn’t have lied about it if he hadn’t been
asked, and he wouldn’t have been asked if they didn’t care. 

You yourself care, and said so, because it happened at the office. In
the same office, 365 days a year for eight years in a row, he refused to
lift the blockade of Iraq. At least half a million civilians
died,because of that,  almost all of them women and children. Why don’t
you seem to care about that?


It demonstrates lack of judgment  and character and was lying to a
federal grand jury.

Lying to protect a woman’s reputation used to be considered an honorable
thing to do. 

Lying to a federal grand jury, or to a federal anything, is not only not
wrong, it’s a duty. The federal government is EVIL. It murders innocent
women and children  in cold blood. Doing anything whatsoever to help it
in any way, especially telling it what it wants to know, makes one an
accessory to its crimes.


That is not the  issue and not the complaint although pretty shoddy
behavior for a married man, etc. 

That depends on the marriage. Many people practice open marriage. Who
are you to tell other people how to practice their marriage?

“Adulterers” are apparently a big enough voting bloc to elect a
president, especially when they combine with the draft dodgers and pot
smokers. Were this not true, Clinton never would have gotten elected in
the first place. 
Together, adulterers, draft dodgers and pot smokers are apparently the
majority in this country, and the rest of you would do well to sit down,
shut up and quit hassling us before we get mad enough to slap you down.
Go lead your own lives and leave us alone. Our  patience is running out.



And yes, I realize  others have "done it, too" but that does not make
it a  fine example of the exactly best behavior in his position, lying
to grand juries aside.  


That’s true only to people who think sex is wrong. To the rest of us, it
is perfectly fine behavior. If anything it made the guy more likable. It
certainly didn’t cancel out the half million murders, but it sure made
him seem like a nicer person than those meddlesome prudes who attacked
him for it.  They are EVIL, if for no other reason than they distracted
the public from his REAL crimes, the half million murders. People who
try to tell others how to lead their sex lives are scum. They should die
off and quit wasting air.



It was a very stupid thing for a person in his unique position to do
period.  

With that, I agree. But that in no way justifies what was done to him
over it. Sex is the SOLE business of the people involve. It’s not your
business, It’s not my business. And it certainly isn’t the government’s
business. Do you want the government telling YOU how to do it, or who to
do it with?


 So now Clinton is a perfect gentleman the  epitome of gracious
treatment of women, a model for  all men to follow.

I never said that. Don’t put words in my mouth. It’s rude. It’s
dishonest.

Personally, I don't think he's a gentleman at all. I think he's a
villian. OTOH, a whole lot of women sure do seem to like him a lot.
There must be some reason.



YOU prove that he (Bush) endangered the lives of others and that there
were other drivers even present at the time.  He could have been
basically alone on the road with the officer issuing the ticket.  YOU
prove he was beyond his personal tolerance of alcohol


There was at least one other driver on the road, the cop. And Bush was
too drunk to see him in time. Whoever else was there escaped with their
lives by blind luck.


  as some people are able to tolerate blood levels much  higher than
others.  Prove that he is not one of these.  

ANY alcohol impairs the ability to drive. Science has proven this
conclusively and repeatedly.

There is NO excuse for driving with alcohol in your blood, not any, not
ever. I’m living proof. Thirty years ago a drunk driver ran off the
road, ran me down, and drove off, leaving me to die in a ditch. It still
hurts, every single day, every step I take. If in the unlikely event
that fate ever puts him in my hands, I fully intend to hurt the man, and
I’m going to take my time doing it, too.

When you defend drunk drivers, you’re defending the guy who ran me down.
Imagine how that makes me feel about you. You’re lucky I’m as polite as
I am. If you did it in person, I wouldn't be.



I conceded that AT THE TIME, driving under the influence of alcohol was
not given the seriousness it  deserved but you have to launch a personal
attack,  every time I post it seems, don't you?

Look, you appeared for all the world to be calling somebody a “coon.”
You DEFINITELY defended drunk driving. People like that don’t deserve to
be treated politely. You're getting of lightly. 



Well, I take 

Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Nessie]

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So, you don't think Clinton's wife and daughter were hurt by his
marital infidelity?

maybe, maybe not. It depends on their attitude.


According to many religions, sex under the circumstances that Clinton
and Lewinsky engaged in it IS 'immoral'.

That doesn’t make it immoral. Many religions, some would say all
religions, say many things that are demonstrably false.


And in many states it is still illegal.

That certainly doesn’t make it immoral, either. Crucifying Jesus was
legal. Does that mean Pilate was a good guy?



 It is also immoral for an employer to sexually harass an employee, and
the 'affair' between Clinton and Lewinsky qualifies as such.

It certainly does not. For one thing, he was not her employer. We were.
For another thing, it was she who initiated the affair. If anybody
harassed anybody, it was she who harassed him.


  A public official, whose salary is paid for by the taxpayer, who
instead of conducting the duties of his job  during working hours
engages in sexual hankypanky with an underling, such escapades taking
place in a public  building paid for by the taxpayer for the conducting
of the nation's business and NOT to be turned into a  bordello, is also
immoral.

A case could be made that they should have done it somewhere else. But
if anybody turned the place into a bordello, it was Monica. She went
from being a small time nobody to being a millionaire, and all she did
was give a little head. She’s the best paid whore in American history. 

And no, I don’t think whoring is wrong. But let’s be real about who did
what and to whom.  Clinton was the victim here, and it’s not unlikely at
all that his political enemies put Monica up to it.

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 We shouldn't have to "ask around" - you made the allegations, it is
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You must have me mixed up with someone else.  When did I ever demand proof of
anything?  In general I accept people's statements as true at least in as far
as they believe it to be.  You guys are just too lazy to bother to check
anyone's answers.  Mature people don't ask for proof.  They find out the
truth for themselves.  Prudy

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In a message dated 01/23/2001 11:11:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 A public official, whose salary is paid for by the taxpayer, who instead
of conducting the duties of his job
 during working hours engages in sexual hankypanky with an underling, such
escapades taking place in a public
 building paid for by the taxpayer for the conducting of the nation's
business and NOT to be turned into a
 bordello, is also immoral.


 June 

You're absolutely right, June, and I hear they're going to do away with
coffee breaks too.  Prudy

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Nessie,
"FWD" just means "Forwarded" and is not a disclaimer
and is automatic on most of the software I have ever
used."FYI"has to at least be typed in.  Now why would
a person type that in if it did not mean something.
It means something is just being sent along for
informational value without judgment passed one way or
another.

If it "appars to ALL THE WORLD" that I have called
somebody a "coon" why did no one else attack me?
Becuase it is a LIE and you, NESSIE are a LIAR.  I did
not call anybody anything.  You, on the other hand,
called me stupid, repeatedly and a fool and said I
should not post here.  Then you threatened me with
physical violence in how in person you would not be so
polite.  How dare you lie and say I said something I
did not and threaten me, you little creep!!  I assure
you I am not one bit frightened by your threats and
personal attacks.  You should have said the ARTICle
called somebody a "coon" and not me because I did not
but I AM CALLING YOU, NESSIE, A LIAR because that is
what you are and have just proven yourself to be.

I suppose this is how you are always "civil."
Remember a while back when Kris put the "Caveat
Lector" back on every post?  That was so assholes like
you would not assume because a person posts something,
they endorse it.  Personal beliefs are just that and I
have no intention of sharing mine with scum like you,
Mr. Name-calling Liar.

You prove every FBI agent is a liar and evil. I would
think some are and some are not just like everybody
else.  It is unfortunate that you were hit by a car
but that does NOT give you the right to call me names.
 I did not do it.  There are degrees and levels of
misconduct and intoxication.  Comparing an incident of
DUI with no injuries is nothing like Manson where
murders were committed.  Some people have car wrecks
and run others down without being under the influence
of alcohol, too.  Defending one is NOT defending ALL.
Driving while intoxicatd is wrong and I have stated
that all along.  I know a man who has driven home from
a bar looped every night for forty years, however,
without injuring another person other than himself.

Oh you are so sophistocated in your liberal views!
Well, Clinton and Jackson both PROFESS to be Baptists
and practice a religion that condemns adultry.  I'll
bet his daughter was not at all embarassed by his
actions!  You would not have been and that is the
measure by which you think the universe is gauged--the
World According to Nessie.

DO NOT THREATEN ME AGAIN, EVER, NESSIE and do not
bother to call me names, either.  I call you a liar
only in response to your having lied about my post.
In the future, delete anything I post and refrain from
commenting, calling me names and threatening me. You
are 'way out of line here and have no right to do so.
This is some friendly advice you would do well to
heed.
Kindred Spirit


--- Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -Caveat Lector-

 Most people acknowledge the "follies of youth."

 By that logic, we ought to turn the Manson gang
 loose. After all, they
 were pretty  young at the time they killed those
 people.


 Nobody cares about Clinton's sex life!

 That is patently false. He wouldn’t have lied about
 it if he hadn’t been
 asked, and he wouldn’t have been asked if they
 didn’t care.

 You yourself care, and said so, because it happened
 at the office. In
 the same office, 365 days a year for eight years in
 a row, he refused to
 lift the blockade of Iraq. At least half a million
 civilians
 died,because of that,  almost all of them women and
 children. Why don’t
 you seem to care about that?


 It demonstrates lack of judgment  and character and
 was lying to a
 federal grand jury.

 Lying to protect a woman’s reputation used to be
 considered an honorable
 thing to do.

 Lying to a federal grand jury, or to a federal
 anything, is not only not
 wrong, it’s a duty. The federal government is EVIL.
 It murders innocent
 women and children  in cold blood. Doing anything
 whatsoever to help it
 in any way, especially telling it what it wants to
 know, makes one an
 accessory to its crimes.


 That is not the  issue and not the complaint
 although pretty shoddy
 behavior for a married man, etc.

 That depends on the marriage. Many people practice
 open marriage. Who
 are you to tell other people how to practice their
 marriage?

 “Adulterers” are apparently a big enough voting bloc
 to elect a
 president, especially when they combine with the
 draft dodgers and pot
 smokers. Were this not true, Clinton never would
 have gotten elected in
 the first place.
 Together, adulterers, draft dodgers and pot smokers
 are apparently the
 majority in this country, and the rest of you would
 do well to sit down,
 shut up and quit hassling us before we get mad
 enough to slap you down.
 Go lead your own lives and leave us alone. Our
 patience is running out.



 And yes, I realize  others have "done it, too" but
 that does not make
 it a  fine example of the 

Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

-Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 01/21/2001 6:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Then what you're saying is you have knowledge of the hidden history of the
 Whitehouse well enough to know which former Presidents indulged in the act
 of Oral Sex in the Oval Office. I'm also quite confident after reading some
 of your posts on this list that you would never make a statement as such
 unless you could name the parties involved. Could you give us a quick run
 down on these people? 
\
Well, for example, one of the funniest stories about the Johnson
administration was that Lady Bird entered the office one day and caught
Johnson and some secretary or other on the couch.  She, of course, flipped a
fit, and after she left, Johnson castigated the Secret Service for allowing
her to enter.  Apparently the Secret Service told him that "she was not their
problem."  So, Johnson had a buzzer installed, and whenever the first lady
left the quarters (for any reason), the buzzer was sounded to ensure  that
the first lady couldn't catch her husband in flagrante delicto (did I spell
that right?) again.  Johnson was famous for his sexual exploits.  He never
fired a favorite of the media, so they didn't tell us about them at the
time--at least not in a blow-by-blow manner (no pun intended).

Somewhere among my souvenirs, I have the names of the two women who were on
the White House staff during the Kennedy years, whose principal function was
to be on hand to remedy any unbidden sexual urges that might threaten the
concentration of whomever needed to think clear thoughts.  They had nicknames
I can't recall, and I'm sure not going to put their real  names on the net.
These women committed no crime, and I think they deserve privacy.  "I" have
pardoned them.  If you wish exact information, I'm sure you can find it
somewhere.

Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/21/2001 6:37:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 People bitch yet everybody
 wants to drive that new SUV or 4x4 that keeps sucking up all that gas. 

I don't know who was waiting where, but my old Toyota gets 42 miles to the
gallon.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Kindred Spirit]

-Caveat Lector-

Why do we compare something Bush did when very young,
a 25-30 year old event to Clinton's recent
administration?  Driving while drinking at that time
was not taken as seriously as it should have been but
we should compare Clinton's youth to Bush's youth and
NOT Clinton as an adult to Bush as a youth.  Of
course, Clinton did not grow up and mature very much
so maybe that is why this is done.  Bush, on the other
hand seems to have outgrown this particular problem.
Yet those wanting to detract from him act as though
this just happened the way Clinton's sexcapades did.
Rape is not serious?  Selling nuclear secrets to China
is not serious?  But what Bush did 25 years ago, AHA!
Now that is relevant!
Kindred

--- T Nohava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:36:33 -0500
 Reply-to: Conspiracy Theory Research List
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: T Nohava [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks
 Clinton Orders
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Get your priorities straight.
 I've seen your posts here and your opinions...you
 should get your morals
 straight! I quite agree on the alcohol abuse issue
 as a problem in this
 country being a serious one, my question is after
 all this time why are
 alcoholic beverages not made illegal? I believe  I
 read a post on this list
 a few years ago that stated one of Clinton's
 encounters with Monica occurred
 while Yasir Arafat was waiting patiently in the Rose
 Garden. I would also
 say the problems in the Middle East are still not
 taken care of and are
 considerably worse than they've been in years. As
 far as his Job Impairment
 is concerned, it seemed to be a perpetuating event.
 Granted sex isn't evil,
 your just changing the context of my message. It's
 called morality, the same
 morality Clinton professed during his first
 campaign, remember Family
 Values? Oil Company profits...not so much profits as
 the citizenry
 complaining about high energy prices and shortages,
 or the Environmentalists
 wanting oil exploration stopped in certain areas.
 People bitch yet everybody
 wants to drive that new SUV or 4x4 that keeps
 sucking up all that gas.

  -Original Message-
  From: Conspiracy Theory Research List
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
  Behalf Of Nessie
  Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:37 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks
 Clinton Orders
 
 
  -Caveat Lector-
 
  Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied
 about it, he never
  brought it
  to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual
 escapades (legacy). I
  wonder if he'll keep with recently created
 tradition in the Whitehouse
  of
  having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in
 the most powerful
  office on
  the planet?
 
  He lied about it. It came out in the final weeks
 of the campaign.
 
  Drunk driving and oral sex, or any kind of sex,
 are equivalent only to a
  deranged mind. Drunk driving is like standing in a
 crowded room,
  covering your eyes with one hand while firing a
 pistol randomly around
  the room with the other hand. Even if, through
 sheer luck, nobody gets
  hurt, it's still a heinous crime for which there
 is no excuse.
 
  Sex, on the other hand, is nobody’s business
 except for the persons
  actually involved. A case could be made that if
 doing it in the office
  somehow impaired Clinton’s ability to do his job,
 that he shouldn’t have
  done it there. This case has not been made. If
 anything, it seems to
  have made him do his job more efficiently. What
 impaired his ability to
  do his job was having to spend time defending
 himself from this
  ridiculous charge.
 
  What’s more, Clinton killed at least a half a
 million Iraqis, almost all
  of them women and children. Anybody who ignores
 that and gets upset
  instead about his having had sex, is morally
 skewed. What’s wrong with
  you, anyway? Can’t you see evil when you look at
 it?  Sex isn't evil.
  Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it
 weren't for sex, you
  wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children
 so the oil companies
  can make greater profits is evil. Get your
 priorities straight.


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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Nessie]

-Caveat Lector-

Yet those wanting to detract from him act as though  this just happened
the way Clinton's sexcapades did.

Apples and oranges. Bush endangered lives, maybe yours, maybe mine, and
definitely his own.  Clinton had sex.  Nobody got hurt from Clinton
having sex with Monica till the prudes butted in and started squawking
about it. Then it distracted the attention of a tax paid public official
and made it more difficult for him to do the job that we the public had
paid him to do. So we got less work than we paid him for. Ergo, the
people who impeached Clinton over his affair with Monica were ripping us
off for our hard earned cash when they did it. They did the harm, not
him and Monica having sex. Sex is not immoral. Stealing from taxpayers
is immoral. If you’re so concerned with the morals of elected officials,
why aren’t you squawking about that?


Rape is not serious?  

(1.) Rape is not sex. Rape is assault.

(2.) He is ALLEGED to have raped somebody. G.W. Bush is alleged to be a
shape shifting reptoid from outer space. Allegations are allegations,
and nothing more.  Talk is cheap. Prove he raped somebody or shut up
about it.  These unsubstantiated allegations are getting very boring.


Selling nuclear secrets to China is not serious?  

Again, that too is only alleged. What’s the matter, do you think the
Chinese aren’t smart enough to come up with MIRV on their own? This is
the culture came up with gun powder, the compass and paper. Their
government ain’t much to look at, but their scientists are top notch. 

 Just because somebody alleges something, that doesn’t mean it’s true.
You’re may be too young to remember, but in the 50’s the ultra-right was
alleging that the President was a Communist agent.  Ultra-rightists
allege a lot of crap about people they don’t like. Allegations are
nothing but talk. Show proof or shut up about it. 

When you don’t show proof, and you don’t shut up either, you look like a
fool. Is that want you really want to do? Do you WANT to look like a
fool?  If so, here’s the space to do it. Go right ahead. Knock yourself
out.

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[tnohava]

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 They had nicknames
I can't recall, and I'm sure not going to put their real  names on the net.

Jeepers...Holy MoleyGee By Gosh By Golly...you seem so well connected to
the political Inner Circles.

When I have more time I'll have to tell you of the experiences of my work at
Area-51 and S-4. One of my most memorable experiences was when I found
former President Jimmy Carter roaming around sub-level 7 at S4 and he was
Shapeshifting no less. I have photos of Jimmy's remarkable demonstration and
would be happy to share them but Larry Flynt now owns the copyrights.




 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Prudence L. Kuhn
 Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 8:23 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 01/21/2001 6:04:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Then what you're saying is you have knowledge of the hidden
 history of the
  Whitehouse well enough to know which former Presidents indulged
 in the act
  of Oral Sex in the Oval Office. I'm also quite confident after
 reading some
  of your posts on this list that you would never make a statement as such
  unless you could name the parties involved. Could you give us a quick run
  down on these people? 
 \
 Well, for example, one of the funniest stories about the Johnson
 administration was that Lady Bird entered the office one day and caught
 Johnson and some secretary or other on the couch.  She, of
 course, flipped a
 fit, and after she left, Johnson castigated the Secret Service
 for allowing
 her to enter.  Apparently the Secret Service told him that "she
 was not their
 problem."  So, Johnson had a buzzer installed, and whenever the first lady
 left the quarters (for any reason), the buzzer was sounded to ensure  that
 the first lady couldn't catch her husband in flagrante delicto
 (did I spell
 that right?) again.  Johnson was famous for his sexual exploits.  He never
 fired a favorite of the media, so they didn't tell us about them at the
 time--at least not in a blow-by-blow manner (no pun intended).

 Somewhere among my souvenirs, I have the names of the two women
 who were on
 the White House staff during the Kennedy years, whose principal
 function was
 to be on hand to remedy any unbidden sexual urges that might threaten the
 concentration of whomever needed to think clear thoughts.  They
 had nicknames
 I can't recall, and I'm sure not going to put their real  names
 on the net.
 These women committed no crime, and I think they deserve privacy.
  "I" have
 pardoned them.  If you wish exact information, I'm sure you can find it
 somewhere.

 Prudy


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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[T Nohava]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never brought it
to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I
wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse of
having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful office on
the planet?


 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Nessie
 Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:02 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


 -Caveat Lector-

 ``Everyone who enters into public service for the United States has a
 duty to the American people to maintain the highest standards of
 integrity in  government,'' Bush said in the memo.

 This from a guy who drove drunk, got busted and lied about it.
 Integrety? Gimme a break.



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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Nessie]

-Caveat Lector-

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never
brought it
to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I
wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse
of
having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful
office on
the planet?

He lied about it. It came out in the final weeks of the campaign. 

Drunk driving and oral sex, or any kind of sex, are equivalent only to a
deranged mind. Drunk driving is like standing in a crowded room,
covering your eyes with one hand while firing a pistol randomly around
the room with the other hand. Even if, through sheer luck, nobody gets
hurt, it's still a heinous crime for which there is no excuse. 

Sex, on the other hand, is nobody’s business except for the persons
actually involved. A case could be made that if doing it in the office
somehow impaired Clinton’s ability to do his job, that he shouldn’t have
done it there. This case has not been made. If anything, it seems to
have made him do his job more efficiently. What impaired his ability to
do his job was having to spend time defending himself from this
ridiculous charge.

What’s more, Clinton killed at least a half a million Iraqis, almost all
of them women and children. Anybody who ignores that and gets upset
instead about his having had sex, is morally skewed. What’s wrong with
you, anyway? Can’t you see evil when you look at it?  Sex isn't evil.
Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it weren't for sex, you
wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children so the oil companies
can make greater profits is evil. Get your priorities straight.

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[hollie thomas]

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like Clinton is the only one to ever haave sex /oral in whitehouse ,
come on...
What You know becomes a belief as soon
as it is expressed ...
- Original Message -
From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


-Caveat Lector-

Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never
brought it
to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I
wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse
of
having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful
office on
the planet?

He lied about it. It came out in the final weeks of the campaign.

Drunk driving and oral sex, or any kind of sex, are equivalent only to a
deranged mind. Drunk driving is like standing in a crowded room,
covering your eyes with one hand while firing a pistol randomly around
the room with the other hand. Even if, through sheer luck, nobody gets
hurt, it's still a heinous crime for which there is no excuse.

Sex, on the other hand, is nobody’s business except for the persons
actually involved. A case could be made that if doing it in the office
somehow impaired Clinton’s ability to do his job, that he shouldn’t have
done it there. This case has not been made. If anything, it seems to
have made him do his job more efficiently. What impaired his ability to
do his job was having to spend time defending himself from this
ridiculous charge.

What’s more, Clinton killed at least a half a million Iraqis, almost all
of them women and children. Anybody who ignores that and gets upset
instead about his having had sex, is morally skewed. What’s wrong with
you, anyway? Can’t you see evil when you look at it?  Sex isn't evil.
Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it weren't for sex, you
wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children so the oil companies
can make greater profits is evil. Get your priorities straight.

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 01/21/2001 7:53:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never brought
it
 to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I
 wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse of
 having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful office on
 the planet? 

Well, yes he did, and whatever he does about oral sex, the tradition would
seem recent only if you're very, very old.   Clinton himself was just
following in the footsteps of past presidents.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Marilyn Wright]

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Bravo, hollie thomas!!! I agree
sno0wl

On 21 Jan 01, at 11:43, hollie thomas wrote:

 Sex, on the other hand, is nobody’s business except for the persons
 actually involved. A case could be made that if doing it in the office
 somehow impaired Clinton’s ability to do his job, that he shouldn’t
 have done it there. This case has not been made. If anything, it seems
 to have made him do his job more efficiently. What impaired his
 ability to do his job was having to spend time defending himself from
 this ridiculous charge.

 What’s more, Clinton killed at least a half a million Iraqis, almost
 all of them women and children. Anybody who ignores that and gets
 upset instead about his having had sex, is morally skewed. What’s
 wrong with you, anyway? Can’t you see evil when you look at it?  Sex
 isn't evil. Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it weren't
 for sex, you wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children so the
 oil companies can make greater profits is evil. Get your priorities
 straight.



sno0wl

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[T Nohava]

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If memory serves me he lied about nothing. He admitted he had a drinking
problem at one time and hadn't had a drink in 14 years and at the same time
made no admissions to being cited for DWI. Not bringing it to the forefront
would not constitute lying. We all know the story about the citation and how
it surfaced so conveniently just prior to the election, he didn't lie about,
he admitted it. Anyone with any measurable degree of intelligence would know
the citation would be documented somewhere in the legal system and foolish
to lie about.
Then what you're saying is you have knowledge of the hidden history of the
Whitehouse well enough to know which former Presidents indulged in the act
of Oral Sex in the Oval Office. I'm also quite confident after reading some
of your posts on this list that you would never make a statement as such
unless you could name the parties involved. Could you give us a quick run
down on these people?


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 In a message dated 01/21/2001 7:53:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he
 never brought
 it
  to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I
  wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse of
  having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most
 powerful office on
  the planet? 

 Well, yes he did, and whatever he does about oral sex, the tradition would
 seem recent only if you're very, very old.   Clinton himself was just
 following in the footsteps of past presidents.  Prudy



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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[William Shannon]

In a message dated 1/21/01 3:32:49 PM Central Standard Time,
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Bravo, hollie thomas!!! I agree

I also agree wholeheartedly...good post Miss Hollie!!

Bill.

Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[T Nohava]

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Get your priorities straight.
I've seen your posts here and your opinions...you should get your morals
straight! I quite agree on the alcohol abuse issue as a problem in this
country being a serious one, my question is after all this time why are
alcoholic beverages not made illegal? I believe  I read a post on this list
a few years ago that stated one of Clinton's encounters with Monica occurred
while Yasir Arafat was waiting patiently in the Rose Garden. I would also
say the problems in the Middle East are still not taken care of and are
considerably worse than they've been in years. As far as his Job Impairment
is concerned, it seemed to be a perpetuating event. Granted sex isn't evil,
your just changing the context of my message. It's called morality, the same
morality Clinton professed during his first campaign, remember Family
Values? Oil Company profits...not so much profits as the citizenry
complaining about high energy prices and shortages, or the Environmentalists
wanting oil exploration stopped in certain areas. People bitch yet everybody
wants to drive that new SUV or 4x4 that keeps sucking up all that gas.

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 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
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 Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 1:37 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


 -Caveat Lector-

 Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think he lied about it, he never
 brought it
 to the forefront, much like Clinton and his sexual escapades (legacy). I
 wonder if he'll keep with recently created tradition in the Whitehouse
 of
 having dignitaries wait while he has oral sex in the most powerful
 office on
 the planet?

 He lied about it. It came out in the final weeks of the campaign.

 Drunk driving and oral sex, or any kind of sex, are equivalent only to a
 deranged mind. Drunk driving is like standing in a crowded room,
 covering your eyes with one hand while firing a pistol randomly around
 the room with the other hand. Even if, through sheer luck, nobody gets
 hurt, it's still a heinous crime for which there is no excuse.

 Sex, on the other hand, is nobody’s business except for the persons
 actually involved. A case could be made that if doing it in the office
 somehow impaired Clinton’s ability to do his job, that he shouldn’t have
 done it there. This case has not been made. If anything, it seems to
 have made him do his job more efficiently. What impaired his ability to
 do his job was having to spend time defending himself from this
 ridiculous charge.

 What’s more, Clinton killed at least a half a million Iraqis, almost all
 of them women and children. Anybody who ignores that and gets upset
 instead about his having had sex, is morally skewed. What’s wrong with
 you, anyway? Can’t you see evil when you look at it?  Sex isn't evil.
 Sex is Nature's WAY. Sex is a GOOD thing. If it weren't for sex, you
 wouldn't even BE here. Killing women and children so the oil companies
 can make greater profits is evil. Get your priorities straight.



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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[T Nohava]

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 like Clinton is the only one to ever haave sex /oral in whitehouse ,
 come on...
 What You know becomes a belief as soon
 as it is expressed ...


Sounds like conjecture.

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[CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[T Nohava]

 http://live.altavista.com/e?efi=467ei=2364195ern=y
In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders


Deborah Charles
01/20/01




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Moving quickly upon taking office, President George
W. Bush on Saturday issued an order that essentially blocked some of the
last-minute executive orders and rules laid down by outgoing President
Clinton.
The order was believed to apply to such orders as new regulations for
managed care programs under Medicare and new environmental rules on runoff
from animal feeding operations.

It would also apply to Clinton's declaration of the former military post of
Governor's Island in New York Harbor as a national monument, a designation
Clinton made on Saturday.

Bush's move did not apply to the 140 presidential pardons and 36 prison
sentence commutations that Clinton issued less than two hours before his
term expired on Saturday.

Bush's order, signed by new White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and sent
to the heads and acting heads of executive departments and agencies, said
the decision was made ``to ensure that the president's appointees have the
opportunity to review any new or pending regulations.''

``It's a way for us to conduct a more thorough and effective review of these
last-minute regulations,'' Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer said.

The order meant that no new rules could be printed in the Federal Register,
which blocked them because the rules cannot take effect until they have
appeared in the Federal Register for a period of time.

Bush also issued a 60-day stay on regulations that were published in the
Federal Register but have not yet taken effect.

Some of the blizzard of rules issued by Clinton in his last days in office
angered Republicans, particularly his decision to declare nearly 60 million
acres of federal land, mostly in the western states, off limits to logging.

That order, however, came after a lengthy federal review period and would
appear to be extremely difficult to withdraw.

BUSH DEMANDS INTEGRITY, DECLARES DAY OF PRAYER

Fleischer said the new administration had a variety of options on how to
deal with Clinton's orders. ``I expect some will be repealed, some will be
amended, some will be kept.''

In other initial items of business, Bush directed employees of his new
government to observe ``the highest standards of integrity,'' declared
Sunday a national day of prayer and enacted a hiring freeze.

In a memorandum to the heads of government departments and agencies, Bush
said employees should not use public office for private gain. They should
disclose waste, fraud, abuse and corruption to appropriate authorities.

``Everyone who enters into public service for the United States has a duty
to the American people to maintain the highest standards of integrity in
government,'' Bush said in the memo.

The memo, released less than two hours after Bush took the oath of office as
America's 43rd president, followed Bush's campaign pledge to ``restore honor
and dignity'' to the White House after the ethical lapses and scandals of
the Clinton administration.

``It is a living and breathing reminder to our staff and to the nation of
the importance that the president himself attaches to high ethic standards
and government service,'' Fleischer said.

Card sent a separate memo to heads of executive departments and agencies,
saying Bush froze hiring until a department or agency head appointed by Bush
approves it. He also said each agency head will be instructed to develop a
plan to meet Bush's goal of reducing management ranks.

Reflecting his deep religious convictions, Bush also signed a proclamation
declaring Sunday a ``national day of prayer and thanksgiving'' to celebrate
the peaceful transfer of power between him and Clinton.

``On this day, I call upon Americans to recall all that unites us,'' Bush
said in the proclamation.

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Re: [CTRL] In a First Act, Bush Blocks Clinton Orders

[Nessie]

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``Everyone who enters into public service for the United States has a
duty to the American people to maintain the highest standards of
integrity in  government,'' Bush said in the memo.

This from a guy who drove drunk, got busted and lied about it.
Integrety? Gimme a break.

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