Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- That`s o.k. I agree with him more than I agre with you. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Not to make a big deal out of it, but the Rothschild family alone could give the Jew`s a pretty enormous black eye. I was speaking in terms of race relations from my perspective. Best wishes. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/29/2000 6:28:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are so much more erudite than I. I want to ask: do you know what sixth law or canon or whatever it is where it is said, roughly, that if you kill infidels you earn a higher place in the afterlife? Thanks, Foxter Thank you for your kind wordsyyeah...I think I was actually born with a book in my hands. ;¬) The first reference that comes to mind, is Book III, The House of Imran. Surah 3:150-155; Surah 3:190-195. There is another place where the families of those who die "for Allah", are promised a greater standing as well, but the Surah has slipped my mind at this moment. I see that June and PRUDY have answered this thread, so I am sure that I will write a bit more extensively on this issue over the weekend. I don't have the time to write in any detail at this moment. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/29/2000 7:35:27 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do you know I haven't? ;-) Again, how do you know I already haven't done so? ;-) Let's first acknowledge that these questions are good and safe for June. They admit nothing, and imply everything. Further, June's questions appear only as a showing of a challenge. She is certainly not challenging my own knowledge of the Koran; indeed, she only challenges an issue that remains uncertain. Now, to be fair, (and to reiterate what was said in my previous post), I have not read every thread on this issue. Included in the two posts that I did read, was a statement that June made, which claimed that she had offered "facts" on Islam in a previous post. I cannot speak to that which I have not read. Nonetheless, June is asking me, how I know that she has not purchased and studied a copy of the Koran. Well, June... I answered the post in which you were contesting that which Foxter had put forth, viz., that Islam promises a greater standing with Allah for those who die in his "holy war" with the infidels. June was challenging this statement, demanding that Foxter "chapter and verse", so to speak, the Surah from which the Foxter was quoting. June, my statements to you, concerning the idea that you might purchase and read the Koran for yourself, was based upon my observations of this situation. Here is why: FACT. The Koran DOES state that the self-martyred soldiers of the holy war will have a greater standing with Allah. Surah III: 150-155; 190-195, etc. Now, if June had studied the Koran and knew this to be true, she would have agreed with Foxter. But quite to the contrary, June challenged Foxter, insinuating that Foxter did not know that of which she had spoken. Surely, June wouldn't do something as self-serving and asinine, as to condemn truthful statements that had not been accurately documented, just to make herself feel important? So, you see, June... Rather than think of you as a self-serving and pompous rectum who derails truthful statements for the purpose of one-up'manship to further your own hyper-inflated egoI choose to believe that you had not read and studied the Koran. Silly me. Tsadowq A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see that June and PRUDY have answered this thread, so I am sure that I will write a bit more extensively on this issue over the weekend. I don't have the time to write in any detail at this moment. But you DO have time to talk to yourself it seems... ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FACT. The Koran DOES state that the self-martyred soldiers of the holy war will have a greater standing with Allah. Surah III: 150-155; 190-195, etc. My question to Foxter regarded Foxter's understanding of just who Allah is, compared to the deity worshipped by Jews and Christians, a question Foxter failed miserably. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Jews being the exception, as Christians are step children on this side of eternity. I include oneness penetcostals and cults here. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jeff Sandlin wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Ok. But then you say... Jews being the exception, Jews are NOT an exception. Jews do not accept the deity of Christ. That's what the last 2 millennia were about in Jewish/Christian relations. In truth, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Judaism and Christianity. In both religions, the worship of a human is idolatry. In both religions Monotheism is central. Not the " unique " oneness of the Trinity. Allah hu akbar, and the Jewish Sh'ma are the same proclamations that god is one. This is distinctly different from the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Christians may lump themselves in with the other two as the " worlds monotheistic religions," but no one else does. Did I miss something here? Joshua2 as Christians are step children on this side of eternity. I include oneness penetcostals and cults here. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: it is a profound andungiving dichotomous wall between Islamic submission and Judeo-Christian freedom. Al worship is submission. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- With all due respect to the Jewish people, I believe Christians worship the same Creator that the Jewish people worship. It is the Jews who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. My pointing being I believe I worship the same G_d as the Jews and that is they who would disagree With me. In view of the fact that Arabs and Jews have a common ancestor in Abraham your point of Moslems and Jews having more similar religons is a good point. I cannot defend some of the actions of "Christians" in the past and I am deeply troubled by them. I believe the Jews are G_ds chosen people and deserve nothing but respect from a true Christian. I also believe Jesus was a man only in the sense that he had a flesh and blood body.Respectfully, Jeff , http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I don't always agree with Joshua, but I applaud him for his succinct summation of the facts in his post below... June From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Ok. But then you say... Jews being the exception, Jews are NOT an exception. Jews do not accept the deity of Christ. That's what the last 2 millennia were about in Jewish/Christian relations. In truth, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Judaism and Christianity. In both religions, the worship of a human is idolatry. In both religions Monotheism is central. Not the " unique " oneness of the Trinity. Allah hu akbar, and the Jewish Sh'ma are the same proclamations that god is one. This is distinctly different from the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Christians may lump themselves in with the other two as the " worlds monotheistic religions," but no one else does. Did I miss something here? Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- No, Joshua2, you did not miss a thing. This whole thread is totally fragmented with each one more or less talking to himself. I have worn the printing off of my "Delete" key but can still find it. I highly recommend that procedure for posts from those who insist on "enlightening" the rest of us. Amelia - Original Message - From: "Nurev Ind Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians? -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Jeff Sandlin wrote: -Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- I really should know better, and will probably not respond to any responses, but any religon that does not accept the diety of Jesus Christ does not worship the Christian God. Ok. But then you say... Jews being the exception, Jews are NOT an exception. Jews do not accept the deity of Christ. That's what the last 2 millennia were about in Jewish/Christian relations. In truth, Islam and Judaism are much more similar than Judaism and Christianity. In both religions, the worship of a human is idolatry. In both religions Monotheism is central. Not the " unique " oneness of the Trinity. Allah hu akbar, and the Jewish Sh'ma are the same proclamations that god is one. This is distinctly different from the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Christians may lump themselves in with the other two as the " worlds monotheistic religions," but no one else does. Did I miss something here? Joshua2 as Christians are step children on this side of eternity. I include oneness penetcostals and cults here. http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/Jeffsonceandfuture http://community.webtv.net/oldschool2/JeffSandlins A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Jeff Sandlin wrote: With all due respect to the Jewish people, I believe Christians worship the same Creator that the Jewish people worship. It is the Jews who do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. My pointing being I believe I worship the same G_d as the Jews I agree...i.e., you bet you do. And by the way, "Jesus" is only a title...i.e., many ppl believe the man born of Mary that was given the name of Immanual (in Aramaic)/Emanuel (in hebrew), was/is The Messiah/The Jesus/The Christ. and that is they who would disagree With me. In view of the fact that Arabs and Jews have a common ancestor in Abraham your point of Moslems and Jews having more similar religons is a good point. And is true...thus the ridiculous nature of war in God/s name. I cannot defend some of the actions of "Christians" in the past and I am deeply troubled by them. I believe the Jews are G_ds chosen people and deserve nothing but respect from a true Christian. I got a few N.Y. Jew relatives that are LESS than worthy of such status, I ASSURE YOU ;-) = Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day. = A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-
Well,Mike, I suppose he meant respect their religion. But like you, I would
like to introduce him to a few of my friends in the garment district
working under a deadline. Ha! Just goes to show that this is a subject far
too serious to be discussed in a casual list in this manner.
Amelia
- Original Message -
From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To. I believe the Jews are G_ds chosen
people and deserve nothing but respect from a true Christian.
I got a few N.Y. Jew relatives that are LESS than worthy of such
status, I ASSURE YOU ;-)
=
Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT
FROM THE DESK OF:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Mike Spitzer* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
=
A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing
propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soap-boxing! These are sordid
matters
and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, misdirections and
outright
frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor
effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to
readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.
Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Om
A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.
Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Om
[CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-
Previous Post: Re: [CTRL] Flaming (was onelist)
Out of morbid curiousity, I just happened to open ONE of the
many posts that have been running amuck on the (controlled)
Control List...
In a message dated 03/29/2000 5:47:05 AM Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes to Foxter:
You mistakenly stated that Mohammed is the deity whom
Moslems worship. You didn't even know that the deity whom
Moslems worship is the same deity whom Jews and Christians
worship.
Having deleted every other post in this previously
ongoing thread, I am certain that I have already
missed June's countless foregoing errors.
Here-- is where June is wrong in this particular post.
June claims that Islamic believers worship the
same Deity -- as do us Jews and Christians.
Jews and Christians worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob. Islam reverences the God of Abraham and Ishmael...
The dissimilarity here, especially for those of us who have
comparatively read the Bible and the Koran, is more than
a simple and semantic difference; it is a profound and
ungiving dichotomous wall between Islamic submission
and Judeo-Christian freedom.
If June should desire to open her flap in regard of my
own knowledge of these intensive differences, I will
assure her that I am versed well enough through the
Koran, to quote any surah if the need should arise.
The Koran does not respect Jews nor Christians; the
Koran specifically denies that Jesus was the son of
God, ("And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto
Himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something
hideous!"). These facts on their own, prove that Islam
respects neither our belief in Christ nor our God in Him.
"The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God,
the Christians say, 'The messiah is the Son of God.'
That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming
with the unbelievers before them. God assail them!
How they are perverted!"
We are considered infidels to the Moslems, and the lack of
our submission/islam, is to be brought about by the sword.
For the record, any references to the Koran, have been (and
will be in the future), gathered from the A.J. Arberry translation.
Should June wish to challenge any of the statements which
I have made to date on this subject, it is recommended that
she first, go and buy a copy of the Koran and read it.
Then, June might take at least two more years to study it.
This might save her some embarrassment.
Let us also recommend that June begin her learning spree
by reading book V, The Table, to find the anti-Jewish and
anti-Christian rhetoric contained therein.
These five pillars of Islamic belief...
Shehada
Salat
Zakat
Sawm
Hajj
...share NOTHING in common with the
Jachin and Boaz of Judeo-Christian faith.
Isaac was laid upon the altar, NOT Ishmael.
Isaac was born of the freewoman,
and Ishmael of the bondwoman.
There is again, a profound difference...
...and I guess one would have to actually
study these issues to understand them.
Tsadowq
A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A
DECLARATION DISCLAIMER
==
CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic
screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters
and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright
fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects
spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL
gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;
be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and
nazi's need not apply.
Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
Archives Available at:
http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html
http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- In a message dated 03/29/2000 9:47:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: June claims that Islamic believers worship the same Deity -- as do us Jews and Christians. Jews and Christians worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Islam reverences the God of Abraham and Ishmael... I do not know which Koran you have been reading, but I have to agree with the Moslems that there is only one God. He was worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Ishmael. You might try reading the Old Testament of our own Bible. I never met a Moslem who did not believe that Christ was of virgin birth from Mary. I didn't ask if they thought He was the son of God. They never said they didn't think He was. They certainly think of Him as a great prophet. He is just not for them "The Last Prophet." Christians who spend their time trying to make sure that their own faith is a very small splinter, and that only they have the correct interpretation, must give God (that one worshipped by Abraham, Isaac, Jacob AND Ishmael) a whole lot of laughs. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
Tsadowq,
You are so much more erudite than
I. I want to ask: do you know what sixth law or canon or whatever it
is where it is said, roughly, that if you kill infidels you earn a higher place
in the afterlife? Thanks, FoxterHere-- is where June is
wrong in this particular post.June claims that Islamic believers worship
thesame Deity -- as do us Jews and Christians.Jews and Christians
worship the God of Abraham, Isaac, andJacob. Islam reverences the God of
Abraham and Ishmael...The dissimilarity here, especially for those of us
who havecomparatively read the Bible and the Koran, is more thana simple
and semantic difference; it is a profound andungiving dichotomous wall
between Islamic submissionand Judeo-Christian freedom.If June should
desire to open her flap in regard of myown knowledge of these intensive
differences, I willassure her that I am versed well enough through
theKoran, to quote any surah if the need should arise.The Koran does
not respect Jews nor Christians; theKoran specifically denies that Jesus was
the son ofGod, ("And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken untoHimself a
son.' You have indeed advanced somethinghideous!"). These facts on their
own, prove that Islamrespects neither our belief in Christ nor our God in
Him."The Jews say, 'Ezra is the Son of God,the Christians say, 'The
messiah is the Son of God.'That is the utterance of their mouths,
conformingwith the unbelievers before them. God assail them!How they are
perverted!"We are considered infidels to the Moslems, and the lack
ofour submission/islam, is to be brought about by the sword.For the
record, any references to the Koran, have been (andwill be in the future),
gathered from the A.J. Arberry translation.Should June wish to challenge
any of the statements whichI have made to date on this subject, it is
recommended thatshe first, go and buy a copy of the Koran and read
it.Then, June might take at least two more years to study
it.This might save her some embarrassment.Let us also recommend
that June begin her learning spreeby reading book V, The Table, to find the
anti-Jewish andanti-Christian rhetoric contained therein.These five
pillars of Islamic
belief...ShehadaSalatZakatSawmHajj...share
NOTHING in common with theJachin and Boaz of Judeo-Christian
faith.Isaac was laid upon the altar, NOT Ishmael.Isaac was born
of the freewoman,and Ishmael of the bondwoman.There is again, a
profound difference..and I guess one would have to actuallystudy
these issues to understand them.Tsadowq
Re: [CTRL] Islam worships the same Deity as Jews/Christians?
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Should June wish to challenge any of the statements which I have made to date on this subject, it is recommended that she first, go and buy a copy of the Koran and read it. How do you know I haven't? ;-) Then, June might take at least two more years to study it. Again, how do you know I already haven't done so? ;-) June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
