Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Jerry Black's Update on Whitley Strieber]
-Caveat Lector- All this proves is that Whitley Strieber will not take a polygraph test. On the one hand skeptics dismiss the reliability of polygraphs when the taker of the test passes on occasions that deal with UFOs and abductions, and on the other, when someone will not take a polygraph skeptics claim, hey that proves the person is lying. C'mon, skeptics you can't have it both ways. Unfortunately you will not believe the truth unless you see it with your own eyes, and if the above is any indication, many of you will not believe it even then. You will do everything in your power to contort your mind, belief and outlook so that you will not have to admit that UFOs and abductions are real and the implications that has. But hey, whatever gives you peace enough to sleep at night and believe that you are acting in a rational manner, and the world is a safe, beautiful place. Don Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- ** Forwarded from UFO UpDates ** == Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:50:49 -0400 To: "UFO UpDates Subscribers":; From: UFO UpDates - Toronto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UFO UpDate: Black's Update on Whitley Strieber X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.globalserve.net id RAA08939 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:10:00 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Glenn Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Black's Update on Whitley Strieber Jerry Black recently made an offer to Whitley Strieber. He got no response. Jerry has asked that this update be sent to the list. Thanks, GJ Update On Whitley Strieber On January 4, 1999, I placed an extensive 4 1/2 month review of the various books of Whitley Strieber [which concerned his encounters with The Visitors] on the internet. This review included his latest book, Confirmation. In this report, I offered Mr. Strieber and his wife, Anne, the opportunity to take a properly sponsored polygraph test. I had agreed to not only bring the polygraph expert to them at their home in San Antonio, Texas, but to pay for all the expenses incurred for both polygraph tests, transportation and other related expenses. I stated in this report that Mr. Whitley Strieber would need to respond by February 4, 30-days from the time it appeared on the internet. When nothing was heard from Mr. Whitley Strieber within this 30-day period, I decided to also priority-mail a copy of this report directly to his address to ensure that he received the report. This report was mailed to Mr. Strieber on January 18, and he should have received it on January 20. As of writing this report on April 10, 1999, I have not received any reply from Mr. Strieber concerning any willingness to take this third-party sponsored polygraph test. As I have stated earlier, all of Mr. Striebers previous polygraph tests that he mentions in his books were either self-sponsored or given by people who had an interest in his passing these tests. I was trying to give Mr. Strieber the opportunity -if indeed his account is a factual one- to take a properly sponsored polygraph test which would go a long way in helping to support his claims of encounters with the visitors. My fairness and objectivity in giving these tests certainly cannot be questioned. As of this date, I have offered polygraph tests in four separate UFO-related cases. In two of those cases, the Travis Walton abduction and the Casey County, Kentucky Incident, those participants agreed to take the tests and all parties passed the polygraph examinations that I administered to them. In the Liberty, Kentucky abduction, the participants were Mona Stafford, Elaine Thomas and Louise Smith. The test was administered by Mr. James Young who, at that time, was the president of The Polygraph Association of Kentucky. Likewise, more recently, Travis Walton, Mike Rogers and Allen Dallas all agreed to take polygraph tests that were offered to them, and all three passed. In the early 90s, I offered a polygraph test -on two different occasions- to Ed Walters. On both occasions, Mr. Walters has done just what Whitley Strieber has done by not acknowledging my offer for a properly sponsored polygraph test. Inasmuch as Mr. Strieber and his wife Anne have refused to respond to my request for the polygraph test -and lacking any evidence whatsoever to support his numerous claims of encounters with visitors, it is my opinion that Mr. Whitley Strieber has perpetrated a massive hoax on not only the UFO community, but against the American people. For someone with the writing skills of Mr. Strieber to perpetrate a hoax of this magnitude is certainly unforgivable. Because of Mr. Striebers experience as a well known science-fiction writer, he has the ability to make his words more realistic, more interesting and more believable. Whitley Strieber has been called a contactee by Art Bell, because of his alleged
[CTRL] Jerry Black's Update on Whitley Strieber
-Caveat Lector- ** Forwarded from UFO UpDates ** == Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:50:49 -0400 To: "UFO UpDates Subscribers":; From: UFO UpDates - Toronto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UFO UpDate: Black's Update on Whitley Strieber X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp2.globalserve.net id RAA08939 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:10:00 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Glenn Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Black's Update on Whitley Strieber Jerry Black recently made an offer to Whitley Strieber. He got no response. Jerry has asked that this update be sent to the list. Thanks, GJ Update On Whitley Strieber On January 4, 1999, I placed an extensive 4 1/2 month review of the various books of Whitley Strieber [which concerned his encounters with The Visitors] on the internet. This review included his latest book, Confirmation. In this report, I offered Mr. Strieber and his wife, Anne, the opportunity to take a properly sponsored polygraph test. I had agreed to not only bring the polygraph expert to them at their home in San Antonio, Texas, but to pay for all the expenses incurred for both polygraph tests, transportation and other related expenses. I stated in this report that Mr. Whitley Strieber would need to respond by February 4, 30-days from the time it appeared on the internet. When nothing was heard from Mr. Whitley Strieber within this 30-day period, I decided to also priority-mail a copy of this report directly to his address to ensure that he received the report. This report was mailed to Mr. Strieber on January 18, and he should have received it on January 20. As of writing this report on April 10, 1999, I have not received any reply from Mr. Strieber concerning any willingness to take this third-party sponsored polygraph test. As I have stated earlier, all of Mr. Striebers previous polygraph tests that he mentions in his books were either self-sponsored or given by people who had an interest in his passing these tests. I was trying to give Mr. Strieber the opportunity -if indeed his account is a factual one- to take a properly sponsored polygraph test which would go a long way in helping to support his claims of encounters with the visitors. My fairness and objectivity in giving these tests certainly cannot be questioned. As of this date, I have offered polygraph tests in four separate UFO-related cases. In two of those cases, the Travis Walton abduction and the Casey County, Kentucky Incident, those participants agreed to take the tests and all parties passed the polygraph examinations that I administered to them. In the Liberty, Kentucky abduction, the participants were Mona Stafford, Elaine Thomas and Louise Smith. The test was administered by Mr. James Young who, at that time, was the president of The Polygraph Association of Kentucky. Likewise, more recently, Travis Walton, Mike Rogers and Allen Dallas all agreed to take polygraph tests that were offered to them, and all three passed. In the early 90s, I offered a polygraph test -on two different occasions- to Ed Walters. On both occasions, Mr. Walters has done just what Whitley Strieber has done by not acknowledging my offer for a properly sponsored polygraph test. Inasmuch as Mr. Strieber and his wife Anne have refused to respond to my request for the polygraph test -and lacking any evidence whatsoever to support his numerous claims of encounters with visitors, it is my opinion that Mr. Whitley Strieber has perpetrated a massive hoax on not only the UFO community, but against the American people. For someone with the writing skills of Mr. Strieber to perpetrate a hoax of this magnitude is certainly unforgivable. Because of Mr. Striebers experience as a well known science-fiction writer, he has the ability to make his words more realistic, more interesting and more believable. Whitley Strieber has been called a contactee by Art Bell, because of his alleged encounters with the visitors during the middle and late 80s. The contactee, because of his numerous experiences, affords the UFO researcher an opportunity to set-up motion detection equipment, cameras, tape recorders and other instruments to try and document the incident on audiotape or film. There is even the hope that staying overnight at the alleged contactees home may result in a personal experience with the alleged visitors. I am personally unaware of any case with Mr. Strieber where any UFO researchers were able to obtain any documentation or evidence to confirm the alleged encounters with these visitors. The reasons that no information is obtainable from any of these contactees varies from case to case. In some instances, the alleged contactee -while allowing the equipment to be placed in his home for long periods of time- claims that the encounters stopped because, in his opinion, the visitors [or extraterrestrial beings] knew that the equipment was there. In other cases, the subject would
Re: [CTRL] Jerry Black's Update on Whitley Strieber
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/22/99 10:46:36 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For someone with the writing skills of Mr. Strieber to perpetrate a hoax of this magnitude is certainly unforgivable. Because of Mr. Striebers experience as a well known science-fiction writer, he has the ability to make his words more realistic, more interesting and more believable. Well, I wouldn't hook up to that machine for anybody either. Those tests are hideous. I like Streiber and think there's a spiritual lesson in his work. Am I sure he's not a fraud? No. And I'm having trouble trusting my insticts right now. But NOT taking a polygraph is a smart thing, IMHO. I'm not going to fault him for that. Samm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jerry Black's Update on Whitley Strieber
-Caveat Lector- On 22 Apr 99, at 21:44, Glenn Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Inasmuch as Mr. Strieber and his wife Anne have refused to respond to my request for the polygraph test -and lacking any evidence whatsoever to support his numerous claims of encounters with visitors, it is my opinion that Mr. Whitley Strieber has perpetrated a massive hoax on not only the UFO community, but against the American people. This is silly. And do you believe that everyone who does not agree to take your test is a liar and a hoax? Steve Steve Wingate California Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jerry Black's Update on Whitley Strieber
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At 09:57 PM 4/22/99 -0700, Steve Wingate wrote:
Inasmuch as Mr. Strieber and his wife Anne have refused to
respond to my request for the polygraph test -and lacking any
evidence whatsoever to support his numerous claims of encounters
with visitors, it is my opinion that Mr. Whitley Strieber has
perpetrated a massive hoax on not only the UFO community, but
against the American people.
This is silly. And do you believe that everyone who does not agree to take
your test is a liar and a hoax?
Now, _here_ is really silly -
"I would like everyone to pay very close attention to this next
statement: Whitley Strieber charged that the host of the show
was bound to misrepresent his experience by saying they were
alien visitors, which he never -at that time- claimed to know
if these visitors were extraterrestrial. Whitley Strieber went
on to say: {Those people who claim alien encounters are just as
crazy as CSICOP.} (bracketed emphasis mine - Don)
Strieber can't make up his mind. He's vague, then blows off ufology
in a huff several years back, leaves his abduction support groups
hanging and splits. He shows back up, with new books in hand, changes
his mind about his experiences, says they're real. I believe Jerry Black makes
good points in his post. Strieber is entirely free to ignore Black, but why
not take up his challenge if he doesn't have anything to hide? Travis
Walton took up the challenge with Black and passed, so obviously he
didn't have any reason to hide anything.
Because of his writing, Strieber has put himself very much into the public eye,
including his UFO production on TV just recently. Does this mean that no one
can ask for proof of his claims without being considered "silly"? 200 cases?!
Strieber has a history of throwing hissy fits when asked to provide proof of
his abduction claims. Self-administered polygraph tests don't prove the
veracity
of his claims. If these abduction events happenned to *me*, you can darn sure
bet I would ask for independent tests, even invite people in with equipment to
monitor my living environment to get some sort of proof. Beyond proving it to
others, first I'd want to prove it to myself.
Asking for proof is not a bad thing, Steve. Travis Walton didn't back down from
Phil Klass one bit. He wrote a substantial list of questions for Klass to
respond
to and Klass couldn't make his claim(s) that Travis had made up the whole thing
to get out of the logging contract BS, stick.
Don
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