Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- Icke is a slick spokesman who tells those very new to conspiracy theory what they think is new information. You said the material quoted wasn't from Icke. Well, here are some of his many nasty, undocumented pieces of "information." >From The Robot's Rebellion by David Icke. After a major distortion of Jewish history, he writes: "Incidentally, Jewish people trace their ancestry back to Abraham and the times we are discussing, but today the Jewish majority are Ashkenazim Jews, who, Arthur Koestler claims, originated from a Turkish tribe who converted in the 8th century as an alternative to being forced to espouse Islam or Christianity." and "The Jews became traders, valuers, moneylenders and pawnbrokers, buying and selling primarily rather than producing." and "The theme of constant conflict will be seen throughout human history. The Luciferic consciousness and the human expression of that consciousness do not care what causes the conflict. A sense of religious or racial superiority, greed, lust for power, anything will do. They will support a nation when it suits them and cause it to be destroyed when it doesn't. All they want is for negative energy to be produced in abundance to serve the master Lucifer and for humanity to remain so divided and awash with fear and the pressure of everyday life that they won't open their minds for long enough to see what is really going onetc. etc. etc." and of Hitler... "Most of the main players in the Nazi regime, probably including Hitler, escaped. He and his lady, Eva Braun, did not die in the bunker..." and "Religions like Christianity, Islam and Judaism and so many others have survived this long by fear, indoctrination and imposition. Without these they would have been long gone. In their extreme forms they amount to nothing less than spiritual fascism..." and from "and the truth shall set you free" another book" "We live in nations afraid of the people and in a world afraid of the people. We cling to dogmas that are afraid of the people. Those who wish to suppress by whatever means alternative versions of history which challenge the official line are also afraid of the people--afraid that their manipulation will be exposed by such a free flow of information. The way the Jewish mind has been so seriously manipulated by the Jewish hierarchy over the centuries has had another effect. Like the Roman Catholic Church and other religious and racial tyrannies, Judaism and more recently Zionism, has used fear and guilt to maintain control of its peopleThe Talmud, the Jewish book of law, contains among other little gems, the following: "Just the Jews are human, the non-Jews are no humans but cattle." (Kerithuth 6b, page 78, Jebhammoth 61); "The non-Jews have been created to serve the Jews as Slaves" (Midrash Talpioth 225); "Sexual intercourse with non-Jews is like sexual intercourse with animals" (Kethuboth 3b) "The non-Jews have to be avoided, even more than sixk pigs (Orach Chaiim57 6a)...etc." and "The irony is that the racism of extreme Jews and the racism of Adolph Hitler are both based on a colossal myth. As Alfred Lilienthal, the Jewish research and writer said:...etc. and "The conditioned thought patterns in the collective Jewish mind have repeatedly created the physical reality of oppression, prejudice, and racism which matches the pattern--the expectation--programmed into their collective psyche. They expect it; they create it...etc." and "Of all the people I meet, those brought up in the Roman Catholic and Jewish faith are among the most screwed up mentally and emotionally. This is no coincidence. Both faiths brainwash children with guilt and fear from the earliest age." Icke is in person a charmer who is bringing the far right and far left together with undocumented garbage material. Anyone who has ever looked at standard antisemitic, Nazi New Age type material has seen the above over and over again. It is just Hitler recycled. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl
Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- >Kalman and Murray are right on target about Icke. He networks the milita and >New Age fields, spewing his antisemitism in both areas. Kalman and Murray >were leftists who were concerned that this individual was fouling Green >movement territory, not understanding that New Age, which the Green movement >is part of, comes from the same sources as the Nazi movement did. They were >left, thought they were attacking the right, not realizing they were getting >too close to the roots of the left's interests. Kalman and Murray are complete liars and disinformation agents. They stand accused themselves of being neo-nazis by SearchLight in the UK. They have lied and stolen, smeared and disinformed for several years. I hope your accuracy about Kalman and Murray does not reflect the level of research you have done on other aspects of this thread. Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 7:37:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << You stupid blind sycophant Shannon! >> Personal attacks...a no-no. <> You're off your rocker dude...reptilians is code for Jews??? Take a pill! <> Your sample is not from Icke and is therefore totally irrelevant. Icke can't be responsible for the utterings of others and you clearly have an axe to grind with Icke...but spreading lies is pretty desperate no? And the name-calling too...must have hit a nerve! Icke is on record saying that ALL racism and intolerance is WRONG... Why are you so afraid of Icke? Now THAT'S what I want to know! Bill. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "William Shannon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 10/10/00 6:39:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > << He networks the milita and > New Age fields, spewing his antisemitism in both areas. >> > > What a load of irresponsible propaganda. > Icke is no more an anti-semite than the US Government is anti-semetic. > Why the need to attack Icke, he does much good...could it be that he's > hitting a little too close to home?? > > Bill. You stupid blind sycophant Shannon! Who the hell do you think Ickes "REPTILIANS" are and word-coded for ... are you REALLY THAT politico DUMB-ASSED Willie ...??? Here's a sample, from an anti-Semitic bigot who is given credit in Ickes book "The Biggest Secret," as an "editor," one Ivan Fraser, who expressed the Ickites style of sentiment on a public forum. Here's a couple of samples of this madman's racial hatred, and crass banality, quote: "The predators use the Jews as their main tools. Many Jews are vampires and suck in the energy fields of those around them. People who buy houses once belonging to certain Jews find they have taken on a living hell. Those that try to associate with Jews find they are not welcome." Further on, this Fraser "editor" of Icke writes about his hated Jews: "Recognise them for what they are, the philosophy for what it is and don't borrow their money, eat their produce, support their art, buy into their politics, etc. Then they will have no host. Let them ghettoise themselves if they want to and separate themselves. But be aware that unless they change their beliefs they will always hate you and seek to own you and your property and desire to see you destroyed." Terms, such as "Reptilian" and "Predators," have long been used by these Gnostic/Aryan/White Supremacist crazies as code for their racial hatred of Jews. Wake up Willie! You've been had, and had well and good by these racists and moneygrubber whores who masquerade as crusaders of "truth." > > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 10/10/00 6:39:49 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << He networks the milita and New Age fields, spewing his antisemitism in both areas. >> What a load of irresponsible propaganda. Icke is no more an anti-semite than the US Government is anti-semetic. Why the need to attack Icke, he does much good...could it be that he's hitting a little too close to home?? Bill. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- Kalman and Murray are right on target about Icke. He networks the milita and New Age fields, spewing his antisemitism in both areas. Kalman and Murray were leftists who were concerned that this individual was fouling Green movement territory, not understanding that New Age, which the Green movement is part of, comes from the same sources as the Nazi movement did. They were left, thought they were attacking the right, not realizing they were getting too close to the roots of the left's interests. http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke
-Caveat Lector- >- Original Message - >From: "Ole Gerstrøm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 5:47 PM >Subject: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] David Icke > > >> -Caveat Lector- >> >> Johannes Schmidt III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>website is something else. They published as fact an article written some >years ago in a gaming magazine about the 'Serpent People' of ancient >Lemuria who still walk among us. The article in question was for a >role-playing game, which seems to have evaded the researcher's notice. I >don't know if Icke himself posted it there, but I'm sure he would be aware >of it.>> >> > > >Shyte $50 BUCKS for that pile of CRAP!!! Imagine all the toilet paper you >could BUY with $50.00!!! The difference being, that the latter at least >performs a VALUABLE and hygienic service!!! Icke has more HEADLESS CHOOKS >in his mentally castrated sheople menagerie of sycophantic votaries than >COLONEL SANDERS could've dreamed of to fill his Kentucky FRIED CHOOK >production-line outlets!!! > > > >Gaia Anti-Christ and the Ex-Files: A Trawl through the Cultic Milieu > >Damian Thompson - >Kingston University > >At the end of 1995 the radical Jewish magazine New Moon printed a long and >disturbing news feature under the inspired headline "The Icke Man Cometh". >The article, billed as a "special investigation", began as follows: "It is >has been hard in recent years to ignore the popularity of almost >everything that comes under the heading New Age. Yoga, meditation, >Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, environmentalism, >self-improvement and New Age therapies have all gained in popularity, as >have all other fringe interests like UFOS and the paranormal. But during >the past year, a dark side to the New Age message of sweetness and light >has become increasingly clear." According to the authors of the piece, >Matthew Kalman and John Murray, a small number of influential New Age >leaders are embracing conspiracy theories which are heavily influenced by >the racist ideology of the far right. The article singled out David Icke, >the former Coventry City goalkeeper and BBC sports commentator whose >public declaration in 1990 that he was a son of God, and henceforth would >dress only in turquoise, furnished the media with perhaps the most >hilarious news story of the year. Well, you can stop laughing, said Kalman >and Murray: for in the course of his eccentric spiritual pilgrimage, David >Icke has turned into a fully fledged New Age Nazi. Let's get it right here, shall we. Icke DOES make wild, unsubstantiated assertions, and DOES have many 'headless chook' followers, but that doesn't mean he is wrong on all counts. Most of the information he peddles stems from others, he merely weaves it together, sort of like 2+2=5. BUT, to post here the article by Kalman and Murray as any indication about Icke is pure idiocy. Kalman and Murray are notorious liars and hypocrites. Their articles attacking myself, NEXUS and Icke are knowing disinformation and lies. Their own magazine died in the UK due to their failure to spend people's subscription money on publishing. They spent people's subscription money in printing up leaflets telling people that NEXUS is a neo-nazi magazine. Kalman and Murray are about as low in the human dung-heap as people get. They know what the truth is, but continue to steal other people's money to spread lies about innocent people. Find other evidence to support your anti-Ickeness, using Kalman and Murray's lies is just an indication of how little you do research yourself! regards Duncan Duncan M. Roads Editor, NEXUS Magazine PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia Tel: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 http://www.nexusmagazine.com ICQ#62399259 "The nature of the universe is such that ends can never justify the means. On the contrary, the means always determine the end." (Aldous Huxley) http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl ===
