Re: [CTRL] Left wing hippie (Ted Nugent Speaks...)
-Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes wrote: My problem with the hippie genere goes back about thirty years when I saw my friends coming back from Nam missing limbs, sitting in wheelchairs, or coming home in a box. I have still not quite overcome this prejudice and wrong thinking, I'm working on it, but it gets the best of me at times. My sympathies; Nam was well before my time (although my father was drafted). I think I understand where you're coming from though. I didn't mean to point at Kris for being a long-hair; he's probably the person who should be most respected on this list My sediments exactly although there are several others on this list whose research and opinions I tend to hold in high regards as well. I'm also hoping that the proposed NY event gets off the ground, so that I can hear him lecture in person, and perhaps even be able to meet him (and some other subscribers) briefly. All the conferences I've been interested in this year have, as usual, gone down on the West coast. since he is actually trying to do something about the situation in this country by exposing the CIA's involvement with drugs. Especially that conspirator faction of the 'company' with ties to the Boodle Boys; whose families and associates have been heavily involved in the drug trade since the decline of East India Company, and the rise of the American clipper ship. Who knows, if the controlled media picks up on this it might make a very big difference, maybe it might make people start thinking about their country and their place in it ... they might even demand that their government be put in it's proper place and give up one sports event per week to keep tabs on their government. I see more and more people not trusting the government blindly. I also hear from many people that they no longer trust the nightly news and watch it only to see what sort of crap they are trying to put over now. Yet, as Gavin recently argued, those who don't trust 'gubbnmint' bureaucraps, or believe much of the crap the newfakers pawn off as 'news', are still a small, irrelevant minority; that tens of millions in America blindly believe that Clintoon, et al., are "pretty cool dudes" and they wouldn't mind "tipping back a few beers" with them. Unfortunately I'd have to say that I tend to agree with his observation. ... When people find I was in the military I know they harbor certain feelings about me - baby killer etc. and probably worry that I'll just "go off" one day. I did 3 months on Parris Island myself, and 6 years in the USMCR; although the following web page of a friend of mine sums up my current disposition towards military service: http://geocities.com/golwis/applic.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Left wing hippie (Ted Nugent Speaks...)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 9/22/00 11:51:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger? He's a hippie and hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be. But some lefties can see that Constitutional rights are more important than welfare for the rich. It follows that you'd also pigeon-hole 'our beleaguered Kris' as being "about as left wing as you can be" since he's one of those "hippie type people" as well: http://www.cia-drugs.com/symposium/grafx/2kris.jpg Kris' mug shot for the CIA-Drugs Symposium page (Even looks like he's sporting a ceramic Amanita muscaria on the background bookshelf; pretty hip entheogenic touch, IMHO.) And, unless I'm mistaken, Kris styles himself as a "long-hair hippie" a couple times in his lecture. Yet political notions like 'left' and 'right', 'conservative' and 'liberal', 'tweedle dee' and 'tweedle dumb' are mostly irrelevant distractions used by the few to divide and loot the many. Political parties are often picked in the same manner one picks a favorite professional sport team -- and once they are chosen, it's social custom to become a "fan" or "true believer" and to blindly follow that choice through "thick and thin", "good and bad", year after year, for the rest of one's life. [Trying to change another's political beliefs by arguing facts and stats is usually about as futile as trying to change another's favorite sport team by arguing facts and stats; or to change another's faith through logic.] And simply because one lives in Dallas does not necessarily mean they are a Cowboys fan (aka, ass wipe, scum of the earth); or if they have long hair and sometimes enjoy a little herb, make them a Jane Fonda clone 'or whatnot'. If Kris is a hippie, using your fallacy he's "about as left wing as you can be", how would you explain the half-meg or so of so-called 'right-wing' Laissez Faire City Times articles he posted to the list/archive? (J. Orlin Grabbe link perhaps? Who knows?) Sorry to take so long to respond to this. When you're right you're right. I suppose many of us are burdened with prejudices and stupid thinking from time-to-time. My problem with the hippie genere goes back about thirty years when I saw my friends coming back from Nam missing limbs, sitting in wheelchairs, or coming home in a box. I have still not quite overcome this prejudice and wrong thinking, I'm working on it, but it gets the best of me at times. I didn't mean to point at Kris for being a long-hair; he's probably the person who should be most respected on this list since he is actually trying to do something about the situation in this country by exposing the CIA's involvement with drugs. Who knows, if the controlled media picks up on this it might make a very big difference, maybe it might make people start thinking about their country and their place in it ... they might even demand that their government be put in it's proper place and give up one sports event per week to keep tabs on their government. I see more and more people not trusting the government blindly. I also hear from many people that they no longer trust the nightly news and watch it only to see what sort of crap they are trying to put over now. If we could all get over our prejudices with each other we might finally be able to work together to make a real change, but I'm not holding my breath ... When people find I was in the military I know they harbor certain feelings about me - baby killer etc. and probably worry that I'll just "go off" one day. Regards, Bob Stokes The wind of anger blows out the lamp of intelligence. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Left wing hippie (Ted Nugent Speaks...)
-Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes wrote: Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger? He's a hippie and hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be. But some lefties can see that Constitutional rights are more important than welfare for the rich. It follows that you'd also pigeon-hole 'our beleaguered Kris' as being "about as left wing as you can be" since he's one of those "hippie type people" as well: http://www.cia-drugs.com/symposium/grafx/2kris.jpg Kris' mug shot for the CIA-Drugs Symposium page (Even looks like he's sporting a ceramic Amanita muscaria on the background bookshelf; pretty hip entheogenic touch, IMHO.) And, unless I'm mistaken, Kris styles himself as a "long-hair hippie" a couple times in his lecture. Yet political notions like 'left' and 'right', 'conservative' and 'liberal', 'tweedle dee' and 'tweedle dumb' are mostly irrelevant distractions used by the few to divide and loot the many. Political parties are often picked in the same manner one picks a favorite professional sport team -- and once they are chosen, it's social custom to become a "fan" or "true believer" and to blindly follow that choice through "thick and thin", "good and bad", year after year, for the rest of one's life. [Trying to change another's political beliefs by arguing facts and stats is usually about as futile as trying to change another's favorite sport team by arguing facts and stats; or to change another's faith through logic.] And simply because one lives in Dallas does not necessarily mean they are a Cowboys fan (aka, ass wipe, scum of the earth); or if they have long hair and sometimes enjoy a little herb, make them a Jane Fonda clone 'or whatnot'. If Kris is a hippie, using your fallacy he's "about as left wing as you can be", how would you explain the half-meg or so of so-called 'right-wing' Laissez Faire City Times articles he posted to the list/archive? (J. Orlin Grabbe link perhaps? Who knows?) Peace. -- "As Desi Arnez might say, 'Dju New Worlt Orter geis gotta lotta splainin' to do.'" -- Alfred Adask A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
