Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Tenorlove, The private opinion is expressed through the derogatory statement: Give me/us a break! Love, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Ole, what is it about John's statement that is "private opinion" rather than fact? Last time I looked, David Icke did indeed claim that the Royals are shape-shifting reptilloids. --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear John Szocik, This is a place for facts, raw or refined. If you want to express your private opinions, you can send them to The New York Times or similar. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archi
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Nessie, You wrote: Shape shifting is physically impossible How do you know that? From a biology text book? You wrote: He writes barely passable science fiction mixed with rehashes of old conspiracy stories, some bogus, some true. What bogus has David Icke written? Please be concrete. Unsubstantiated accusations is waste of space in this bandwagon. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This is a place for facts, raw or refined That leaves out an awful lot of what Icke says, including his core concept. He writes barely passable science fiction mixed with rehashes of old conspiracy stories, some bogus, some true. Shape shifting is physically impossible. If what he is talking about here is not outright invention on his part (most likely) then, at most, he is describing hallucinations induced by some, probably EM based, mechanism. (See Persinger) But most likely he's just making it up. And for what purpose, besides of course financial gain? (1.) The essence of disinformation is to mix lies in with truth so that the credibility associated with the obvious truth will rub off on the lies. So some of his audience assumes that because some of what he says is true, all of what he says must be true. This is, of course, how stupid people decide what is true or not. But, alas, stupid people abound. (2.) Sci-fi concepts like shape shifting aliens discredits, in the minds of the rest of his audience, the true conspiracy data he mingles with it. It also discredits us, you and me personally, because we take seriously things that are said by a guy who also says other things that are patently absurd. This is not to say that the Queen and her gang are nice people or that the Bushes aren't a crime family. But shape shifting aliens rule the world!?! No way. Identity shifting Aryans, maybe, but isn't that enough? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: How do you know that? From a biology text book? Yup. Physics, too. What bogus has David Icke written? See above. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Ole, OK, now I get it. His last sentence was opinion, and the rest of John's post is "fact, raw or refined" with which you have no problem. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I really appreciate it. Warmest regards, Tenorlove --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear Tenorlove, The private opinion is expressed through the derogatory statement: Give me/us a break! Love, Ole Gerstrom - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Ole, what is it about John's statement that is "private opinion" rather than fact? Last time I looked, David Icke did indeed claim that the Royals are shape-shifting reptilloids. --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear John Szocik, This is a place for facts, raw or refined. If you want to express your private opinions, you can send them to The New York Times or similar. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outr
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear John Szocik, This is a place for facts, raw or refined. If you want to express your private opinions, you can send them to The New York Times or similar. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Ole, what is it about John's statement that is "private opinion" rather than fact? Last time I looked, David Icke did indeed claim that the Royals are shape-shifting reptilloids. --- Ole_Gerstrøm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Dear John Szocik, This is a place for facts, raw or refined. If you want to express your private opinions, you can send them to The New York Times or similar. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: John Szocik [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This is a place for facts, raw or refined That leaves out an awful lot of what Icke says, including his core concept. He writes barely passable science fiction mixed with rehashes of old conspiracy stories, some bogus, some true. Shape shifting is physically impossible. If what he is talking about here is not outright invention on his part (most likely) then, at most, he is describing hallucinations induced by some, probably EM based, mechanism. (See Persinger) But most likely he's just making it up. And for what purpose, besides of course financial gain? (1.) The essence of disinformation is to mix lies in with truth so that the credibility associated with the obvious truth will rub off on the lies. So some of his audience assumes that because some of what he says is true, all of what he says must be true. This is, of course, how stupid people decide what is true or not. But, alas, stupid people abound. (2.) Sci-fi concepts like shape shifting aliens discredits, in the minds of the rest of his audience, the true conspiracy data he mingles with it. It also discredits us, you and me personally, because we take seriously things that are said by a guy who also says other things that are patently absurd. This is not to say that the Queen and her gang are nice people or that the Bushes aren't a crime family. But shape shifting aliens rule the world!?! No way. Identity shifting Aryans, maybe, but isn't that enough? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Is this the same guy,(David Icke) who states that the royal family changes into reptiles at will? Give me/us a break! Sincerely,JOHN A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/15/2000 9:54:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Well, Joshua, was the Last Supper a Passover meal? I'm sure if I was a student of the Bible, I would know this, but I'm not sure. Yes, I agree that Christ was born into a middle class family with a carpentry business. Even his place of birth was one that under the circumstances demonstrated that Joseph had enough money to secure a warm place even under very crowded conditions. The poor would have been huddled outside the caravansaray walls which provided little safety and proximity to the toilet area. There are still villages where people go "outside the walls" for toilet purposes. I have never known any Jews who have taken a vow of poverty, so I do not know what vessels they allow themselves with which to celebrate Passover. There's something incongruous about a group who have taken a vow of poverty drinking wine from a jewel encrusted cup. Prudy
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:11:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark Now that's funny. I'll accept the opinion that Jesus never existed, but there seems to be a LOT of history there. Prudy
[CTRL] OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Dear Prudy, Yes, there are lots of stories, claimed to be history. And it´s not just an opinion, that the person Jesus did not exist. It is more like a fact. He was invented. Read David Ickes documentation for yourself. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark - Original Message - From: Prudence L. Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 09/16/2000 10:11:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark Now that's funny. I'll accept the opinion that Jesus never existed, but there seems to be a LOT of history there. Prudy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
- You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gi
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
Ole Gerstrøm wrote: - You should read David Ickes documentation in "The Truth Shall Set You Free," stating, that Jesus is not a historical person. Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books. There is historical evidence of his brother James. J2 - Original Message - From: Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 3:55 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd) "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
In a message dated 9/16/00 1:23:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books. Au contraire! Icke is a brilliant scholar and a daring man...his books are a wealth of information. Might I also suggest the beautiful and talented Acharya S's book THE CHRIST CONSPIRACY for further evidence that Christ never existed. Bill. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)
"Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 09/14/2000 12:13:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LMFAO!!! Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I suppose it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's.. I have a hard time with the "ornate cups" that are supposed to be the Holy Grail. Christ and disciples had vowed poverty. That they would have gone to a lower class type of restaurant to eat and drink together makes good sense. IF and it is a big IF, the last supper was a Passover meal, then there is no reason that the cup should not be ornate. Jews to this day use ornate cups for religious purposes. Jesus ( not Christ, we are discussing history not fantasy ) and his deciples might have taken a vow of poverty, but he had rich backers and adherents in his movement. Some of the deciples came from rich families, and he had the support of people like Joseph of Arimethea who was wealthy enough to own a family tomb. As for the lower class restaurant, it's possible I guess, but I doubt it. It is far more likely that he and some desciples had Seder with a family in a private home. This " lower class " stuff is mainly being pushed by Crossan who could be quite wrong in his assumptions about Jesus' peasant status. It is highly unlikely that Jesus was illiterate as Crossan claims. It is more likely that he grew up in a middle class (sic) family with a construction business. They probably would have handed a container from hand to hand through the meal. It would have probably been of metal, but it might just as well have been wood. It would not have been ornate. It probably was ornate silver. It boggles the mind to try to picture Christ carrying about an ornate, probably gold, gm encrusted "chalice" to spice up the simple meals that He and His disciples would have shared. A Passover Seder is not a simple meal. It is an elaborate affair with the family's best dishes. As for golden and jewel encrusted, that would depend at whose place he was copping a meal. More likely it is Christian legend depicting the elegance of royalty as befits the King of Kings. I lived in the Middle East, and even the "Upper Room" is still a common phenomenum in restaurants there. It is a place for groups or large families to use. In the grandness that has become the hallmark of most of our Christian faiths, the simplicity of the life Christ chose to live seems to have been lost. Prudy Yeah especially in churches and among the clerical hierarchy. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
