Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and ...
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: > > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 1/5/99 12:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a > > capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? > > Have all the other people of the earth agreed upon a goal without telling me? > Is there really some game whose winner is determined by what country sustains > the most people per square mile of land? Is Bangladesh the winner? > First, you should remember that I was replying to the assertion that capitalism had "killed millions". Though I would certainly agree that many lives have been lost in "capitalist" countries, I was trying to show that overall there has been a growth in population so that the losses have been greatly overwhelmed by the increases. These increases have been largely attributable to the advances in technology which accompany free market transactions. As for the game question. No, the game is to create a society where people can live the fullest lives possible. The society which inhabited the land which is now encompassed by the USA was kept from growing to a larger number through periodic starvation and early loss of life. Many people believe this is not optimum and prefer longer lives and thus percieve this as being a better and fuller life. The use of a free market economy seems to have provided this in the opinion of many people. While some may prefer primarily devoted to the search for food, others of us prefer more choices. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and ...
-Caveat Lector- Excellent post, G.! On Tue, 5 Jan 1999, Gerald Harp wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 1/5/99 12:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a > > capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? > > Have all the other people of the earth agreed upon a goal without telling me? > Is there really some game whose winner is determined by what country sustains > the most people per square mile of land? Is Bangladesh the winner? > > Jerry > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a > capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? Have all the other people of the earth agreed upon a goal without telling me? Is there really some game whose winner is determined by what country sustains the most people per square mile of land? Is Bangladesh the winner? Jerry DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 5:45:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I agree with the statement of the greatest con being the fractional reserve > >system of banking! And if any of you good people want to help out please go > >to http://www.norfed.org/. An excellent site and we need all the help we > >can get. Well, I'd have to go with the great 'con' - education. Then the media, then the fed and associated 'private centrals' and their spawn. MHO Om K DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- I agree with the statement of the greatest con being the fractional reserve system of banking! And if any of you good people want to help out please go to http://www.norfed.org/. An excellent site and we need all the help we can get. -Original Message- From: Howard R. Davis III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims > -Caveat Lector- > >ArijJan Verboon wrote: >> >> >> I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in >> your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place >> and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? >> > > It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the >fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central >banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard >ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast >amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred >from producers to parasites. > Some might argue that an even greater scam is the social security >system, but most do not have a great enough understanding of its >ramifications to realize the enormity of its harm. > As for the most despicable business transaction, it is hard to find >anything to compare with government actions as to their ultimate >negative effect. However, there are certainly many transactions which >have had negative effects throughout history. Many believe that the >stock market was purposely crashed in 1929. If this was so, that may be >considered the most dispicable transaction. But even there it would have >had to be a series of transactions. It is hard to really cause a lot of >problems with one transaction, even between major corporations. > >best wishes, Howard Davis > >DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER >== >CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic >screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters >and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright >frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects >spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL >gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; >be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and >nazi's need not apply. > >Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > >Archives Available at: >http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > >http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > >To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: >SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Om > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless vi
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >E Mael wrote: > >> how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads >> and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus >> is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his >> one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, >greed >> and self-interest. the gop is right up there. > >My understanding is that during the period before colonization >native-americans numbered less then five million in the are we now call >the United States. Since that time, the population of this same area has >expanded to over 270 million. This expansion was all under a form of >capitalism. If so many millions lost their lives because of capitalism >and the previous system was preferable in terms of preserving the lives >of the inhabitants then it would seem to me that these figures should be >reversed. What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a >capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? > >best wishes, Howard Davis a reasonable and thoughtful response. i cannot disagree with you, except to include that it needs to take into account the methods used. it was the lack of ethic on the white man's part that i part with. but then, how could it have ever been anything other than what it was, given the same factors. the crimes still live though, and until we address them; we will, as a nation, continue to stack crime on top of crime until we criminalize ourselves and are forced to. maybe we need to have an armeggeddon. i am beginning to think that social justice is a popular delusion. no rhyme or reason, just force. best, chris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victi
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: > how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads > and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus > is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his > one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed > and self-interest. the gop is right up there. My understanding is that during the period before colonization native-americans numbered less then five million in the are we now call the United States. Since that time, the population of this same area has expanded to over 270 million. This expansion was all under a form of capitalism. If so many millions lost their lives because of capitalism and the previous system was preferable in terms of preserving the lives of the inhabitants then it would seem to me that these figures should be reversed. What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victi
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: >Ladies and gentleman > >I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is >in >your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place >and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? > >Thanks for your times and considerations. how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. for those of you restless spirits who would disagree; this is not a poll of your opinion of my opinion, so keep yours to yourselves, as this is only in response to the question. thank you chris DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- ArijJan Verboon wrote: > > > I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in > your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place > and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? > It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred from producers to parasites. Some might argue that an even greater scam is the social security system, but most do not have a great enough understanding of its ramifications to realize the enormity of its harm. As for the most despicable business transaction, it is hard to find anything to compare with government actions as to their ultimate negative effect. However, there are certainly many transactions which have had negative effects throughout history. Many believe that the stock market was purposely crashed in 1929. If this was so, that may be considered the most dispicable transaction. But even there it would have had to be a series of transactions. It is hard to really cause a lot of problems with one transaction, even between major corporations. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? Thanks for your times and considerations. ArijJan DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
