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Fascism is based
on the ideal of National SOCIALISM. The only real
difference between a Nazi and a Communist
is that a Nazi believes that
socialism can be achieved in a single
nation while a communist believes
that a global socialist state is need to
fully implement socialist
tyranny.
One of the first things the Nazis did was to murder every
socialist they could find. When leftists talk about socialism today they
mean DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM,
[Internet
Wizards]This is simply not true. The Nazis were proud to claim their
socialist agenda and were considered as part and parcel of the left by every
major trade union, socialist party and the CPSU until 1941.
with workers
(including managers)
having democratic control (one-person-one-vote, not one-dollar-one-vote as
in the U.S. today) over the businesses they work in and over the economy and
government as a whole.
[Internet
Wizards]Equal shares regardless of merit, appropriation of other's
property, government control of the economy for thepublic good.
Rooting out the greedy fill in the blank, Jews, Capitalists, Kulaks
to make the world a better place... we've heard it before from
Lenin,Engels, Marx, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Pol
Pot... and MILLIONS have been murdered forit. That's what socialism
is. That's what you are advocating for.
Regardless of their party's name or the original beliefs of
some of their members, the actual facts of Nazism and Italian and Japanese
Fascism is that they were financed by (some) wealthy businessmen and they
served the interests of wealthy businessmen.
[Internet
Wizards]More nonsense. The Japanese militarists grew out of the
Samurai culture of Japan (I thought you leftists LIKED diversity) and wasn't
national socialist. The Nazi, Fascist and Communist regimes all have a
common ancestry and while they all enjoyed support from some wealthy members
of society, they existed to promote and advance the power of the party
through which the worker's dreams would be realized. You need to read more
history and less propaganda. You haven't offered proof one for your mistaken
opinion.
All these forms
of Fascism specifically murdered everyone who advocated democratic control
of businesses and the economy by the people. They even murdered union
leaders who simply wanted to organize workers so they could gain some
leverage toward better wages and conditions.
[Internet
Wizards]What are you talking about! The nazis came in on the idea
of Volks control of the economy and they siezed control of bothlabor
and capital in the name of the Volk. There was nothing capitalist about the
Nazis but there was a lot of socialist ideology in their actions and
rhetoric. TheNazis and the USSR where both excellent examples of the
fully developedsocialist
state.
The German Fascists (Nazis) got most of their financing
from(some) wealthy
American businessmen. After WWII, (some) wealthy American businessmen,
acting through conservative politicians, carried out assassinations and
covert and overt military attacks on dozens of different nations, to murder
exactly the same sorts of pro-human political leaders that the Nazis
murdered. See the references below.
[Internet
Wizards]More nonsense. Hitlers biggest western supporters were the
great liberal leaders of the day.Hitlerdid enjoy the backing of
some powerful businessmen early in his career. However, once he took power,
the Nazi state usurped control of those concerns (Krupp,Farben, et al)
throught the Reichsminstry of Economics telling them what to produce, how to
produce it, how much to pay their workers, what they could sell, how much
they could charge for it, to whom they could sell it, on whatterms and
how muchmoney they'd be able to retain. That is a command economy,
which is the basis of socialism. It is entirely
non-capitalist.
This person is of the mistaken assumption
that profits are evil.
No, it is _excessive_ profits -- those that rob from workers
most of the value of the goods and services they produce -- that are
evil.
[Internet
Wizards]What are you talking about? No one "robs the workers", without
the capital outlay there is no production. The worker is paid, the owner
makes a profit, all benefit. There isno robbery here. And who
determines what is excessive? You? the Party? In a capitalist economy the
MARKET decides when enough is
enough.
.what he ignores is that the
much maligned American capitalist economy has created more wealth
A great deal of the wealth created by the American
capitalist economy has been
