Re: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS

1999-02-05 Thread nurev

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YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

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 On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Sno0wl wrote:
 This may rankle some on this list, but as the 40-somethings are being dislodged from
 their corporate niches in favor of the cheaper 20-somethings, even you may, one day,
 come to appreciate the importance of these issues.

 I appreciated the importance even before I became one of those dislodged
 40-somethings...and I deal with it every day in my job search -- people
 rave about my resume, my background, my abilities...but when it comes
 down to PAYING me what I'm worth (and I'm not asking for the high-end of
 the range), they opt for recent college grads or outsource it to India,
 Pakistan, or the Phillipines where programmers work for pennies per hour

 June

What do you expect? Under a capitalist economic system it's profit not
quality, not experience, not consideration of someone's livelihood.
The
biggest cost of doing business is labor.

If this society lets businessmen continue to operate like this, we'll
have a population of aging homeless and yuppie twerps.

Joshua2

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[CTRL] The JUST (in a way) side of the RE: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS

1999-02-03 Thread Jim Condit Jr.

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Hey, SnowOwl, Looks like all you pro-aborts are finally getting some of your
own medicine. With the blood of 38,000,000 plus human beings on your hands
(aborted babies - just like Dr. Slepian was "aborted" after the third
trimester) --- you now see the same forces closing in on human beings YOU
think deserve some protection. Good LUCK with the likes of depraved
psychopaths like Clinton, Gore, Gingrich, Robert Rubin, and Alan Greenspan.
Looks like you'll have to turn to people like Pat Buchanan, Howard Phillips,
Randall Terry, and Phyllis Schlafly if you expect to get any help in
protecting this new class of fellow human beings under attack, which do, of
course deserve to be protected from the Malthusian demi-gods. Jim Condit Jr.


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  Murray suggests that there may be a downside to the shift of
  single mothers from welfare to work.  No body of research exists
  to demonstrate that it is good for children when a single mother
  works, he points out.
 
  "Can the U.S. retain its political and social culture," Murray
  asks, "in the presence of a permanent underclass?"  His answer is
  yes, if it is "sufficiently small."  If it is large, he believes,
  the answer is no.
 
  He points out that underclass ethics -- among all races -- are
  deteriorating and contributing to a coarsening of American life.
 
  Source: Charles Murray (American Enterprise Institute), "And Now
  for the Bad News," Wall Street Journal, February 2, 1999.

 Another "bad side" of the "good news" is that older women with
 disabilities are being
 forced from welfare to work that  is essentially life-threatening
 for them. In a case
 reported on NPR, a 55 year-old woman with a serious heart
 condition was forced to
 take a job cleaning parks. When she went to legal aid to make a
 complaint about her
 situation, the legal aid society discovered that Clinton had
 signed a bill forbidding  legal
 aid societies from defending the rights of welfare complainants
 who believe they are
 being denied rights to which they are entitled.

 Interesting. If benefits are denied you unfairly, you have no
 right to file a legal complaint!
 Now it's work or die. This bill is currently being challenged in
 court by the legal aid
 societies.

 This may rankle some on this list, but as the 40-somethings are
 being dislodged from
 their corporate niches in favor of the cheaper 20-somethings,
 even you may, one day,
 come to appreciate the importance of these issues.


 sno0wl

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[CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS

1999-02-02 Thread Carl Amedio

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CLINTON'S ASTOUNDING BUDGET

Advocates of limited government and restrained government
spending are reeling at the vastness of President Clinton's
proposed fiscal year 2000 budget.  With the single exception of
1944 during World War II, never in the history of the U.S. would
the federal government grab a greater share of the nation's gross
domestic product.

   o   Clinton's budget calls for Washington to seize 20.7
   percent of the nation's productive output.

   o   In 1944, the take was 20.9 percent -- and that fell the
   following year to 20.4 percent of gross domestic product
   (GDP).

   o   At the height of the Korean War in 1952, the federal share
   was 19 percent; and in both 1969, during the Vietnam War,
   and in the Cold War era of 1981, the stake was 19.7
   percent.

   o   Moreover, proposed changes in the tax laws would result in
   a five-year net tax increase of $45.8 billion.-- as some
   tax increases totaling $82 billion would be offset by a
   few tax breaks aimed at favored constituencies.

Critics deplore the tax-bracket creep that is the result of
prosperity.  As incomes rise, taxpayers are steadily pushed
upward into steeply progressive tax rates.

Meanwhile, federal spending increases.  Budget experts at the
Cato Institute have identified nearly $150 billion in new
spending during the next five years.  With inflation running
below 1 percent in 1998, the budget projects hefty increases of
more than 4 percent during both 2000 and 2001 for domestic
discretionary spending.

Sources: Editorial, "The Lewinsky Budget," Wall Street Journal;
and editorial, "Tax and Spend, Tax and Spend," Washington Times,
both February 2, 1999.

For more on the Budget for 2000
http://www.ncpa.org/pd/budget/budget.htm

THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS

The U.S. is awash in good news: crime is down, welfare rolls are
plunging, employment rates are high and births among teenagers
are declining.

But American Enterprise Institute analyst Charles Murray has been
taking a look at the state of America's underclasses.  He uses
three indicators to examine the condition of those at the bottom
of the socioeconomic ladder -- criminality, young male dropouts
from the labor force and out-of-wedlock births among young women.

Here is a brief description of what he found:

   o   Crime is down because so many of the chronically criminal
   are locked up -- as demonstrated by the fact that if we
   were to imprison people in 1997 at the same rate we did in
   1980, when crime hit an all-time high, there would have
   been about 1.3 million fewer inmates.

   o   Among 16- to 24-year-old black males who are not in
   school, the proportion who are not working or looking for
   work has risen from an average 17 percent during the 1980s
   to 20 percent in 1992, then to 23 percent in 1997.

   o   While headlines have trumpeted the fall in out-of-wedlock
   births per 1,000 unmarried women, the illegitimacy ratio
   -- that is, the percentage of babies who are born to
   unmarried women -- has been flat since 1994, at 32
   percent.

Murray suggests that there may be a downside to the shift of
single mothers from welfare to work.  No body of research exists
to demonstrate that it is good for children when a single mother
works, he points out.

"Can the U.S. retain its political and social culture," Murray
asks, "in the presence of a permanent underclass?"  His answer is
yes, if it is "sufficiently small."  If it is large, he believes,
the answer is no.

He points out that underclass ethics -- among all races -- are
deteriorating and contributing to a coarsening of American life.

Source: Charles Murray (American Enterprise Institute), "And Now
for the Bad News," Wall Street Journal, February 2, 1999.

For more on Out-of-Wedlock Births
http://www.ncpa.org/pd/social/social5.html

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Re: [CTRL] THE DARK SIDE OF THE GOOD NEWS

1999-02-02 Thread Sno0wl

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 Murray suggests that there may be a downside to the shift of
 single mothers from welfare to work.  No body of research exists
 to demonstrate that it is good for children when a single mother
 works, he points out.

 "Can the U.S. retain its political and social culture," Murray
 asks, "in the presence of a permanent underclass?"  His answer is
 yes, if it is "sufficiently small."  If it is large, he believes,
 the answer is no.

 He points out that underclass ethics -- among all races -- are
 deteriorating and contributing to a coarsening of American life.

 Source: Charles Murray (American Enterprise Institute), "And Now
 for the Bad News," Wall Street Journal, February 2, 1999.

Another "bad side" of the "good news" is that older women with disabilities are being
forced from welfare to work that  is essentially life-threatening for them. In a case
reported on NPR, a 55 year-old woman with a serious heart condition was forced to
take a job cleaning parks. When she went to legal aid to make a complaint about her
situation, the legal aid society discovered that Clinton had signed a bill forbidding  
legal
aid societies from defending the rights of welfare complainants who believe they are
being denied rights to which they are entitled.

Interesting. If benefits are denied you unfairly, you have no right to file a legal 
complaint!
Now it's work or die. This bill is currently being challenged in court by the legal aid
societies.

This may rankle some on this list, but as the 40-somethings are being dislodged from
their corporate niches in favor of the cheaper 20-somethings, even you may, one day,
come to appreciate the importance of these issues.


sno0wl

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