Re: [CTRL] Thatcher linked to spy order on ministers

2000-03-07 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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 NEW YORK, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Former British Prime Minister Margaret
Thatcher
 used a global surveillance network to spy on two cabinet ministers in 1983,
former
 Canadian agent Mike Frost was quoted on Thursday as saying. 

This ECHELON stuff is a real hoot.  Maggie and other things are mentioned in
Christopher Hitchens article in the latest (Mar 20,2000) issue of THE NATION.
 What is hilarious is the part where they've been denying for weeks that
there's been any industrial/commercial spying, but it seems the NSA monitored
all traffic between European Airbus Consortium and Saudi Arabian Airlines to
help get the $6 billion Saudi contract for Boeing and McDonnell-Douglas.  Oh
well, what are friends for?  Prudy

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[CTRL] Thatcher linked to spy order on ministers

2000-03-03 Thread lloyd

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Subject: Thatcher linked to spy order on ministers
Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 12:02 PM



Thatcher linked to spy order on ministers

Updated 5:24 PM ET February 24, 2000

NEW YORK, Feb 24 (Reuters) - Former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
used a global surveillance network to spy on two cabinet ministers in 1983, former
Canadian agent Mike Frost was quoted on Thursday as saying.

The two unnamed ministers were not suspected of being traitors but Thatcher felt
they disagreed with her over certain policy matters, Frost said. He said they were
spied on by a Canadian agent.

Frost made his allegations to the CBS-TV programme "60 Minutes," according to
released excerpts.

In London, no comment was immediately available from Thatcher but Prime
Minister Tony Blair's office said the government would draw the allegations to
her attention.

"We will make sure Baroness Thatcher is aware of these allegations so she
can judge whether they merit a response," a spokeswoman told Reuters.

Frost's allegations came in the same week that a European Parliament
report said the Echelon surveillance network, a series of listening posts
around the world run by the United States, Canada, Britain, Australia and
New Zealand, was used for industrial espionage.

The British government denied on Wednesday that it used Echelon for
industrial spying in Europe that could help U.S. corporations win contracts
ahead of European companies. Echelon was designed to eavesdrop on
suspected terrorists, drug lords and other governments hostile to the five
members.

"(Thatcher) had two ministers that she said, 'they weren't on side,'...so my
boss went to London and did intercept traffic from those two ministers,"
Frost was quoted as saying in the excerpts released by "60 Minutes."

His comments are due to be broadcast on Sunday.

Frost, who said he worked for Canadian intelligence from 1972 until 1992,
alleged the five countries could circumvent domestic laws against spying
on citizens by asking another Echelon member to do it for them.

"The British Parliament now have total deniability," Frost said, referring to
the alleged spying on the two ministers, whom he did not identify. "They
didn't do anything... We did it for them."

A senior British Foreign Office official said in response to the European
Parliament report that "any surveillance that there is in Britain has to be
authorised in accordance with the law as does any American activity here."

Echelon was capable of intercepting phone conversations, faxes and
e-mail messages around the world but sometimes the communications of
ordinary, innocent civilians were also monitored, Frost told "60 Minutes."

He cited a woman whose name and telephone number went into the
network's database as a possible terrorist because she had told a friend
on the phone that her son had "bombed" in a school play.

"The computer spit that conversation out," Frost was quoted as saying.
"The analyst ... was not too sure what the conversation was referring to,
so, erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady."




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