Re: [CTRL] U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/9/2003 1:16:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Story location: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=804941tw=wn_wire_story U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War Monday, December 08, 2003 3:31 p.m. ET By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has adopted tough new tactics against guerrillas in Iraq, arresting relatives of insurgents and destroying houses used to plan attacks against American troops, defense officials said on Monday. But the officials denied the move was modeled on hard-nosed tactics used by Israeli forces in Gaza and the West Bank, despite visits by U.S. military officers to Israel this year to discuss urban combat with Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Do you suppose all this humor is deliberate? I'm really glad to see that the U.S. has finally figured out how to make the Iraqi our friends. It was so generous of the Israeli Defense Forces to show them the methods that have made the Israeli and the Palestinians such good friends. And the voice of the turtleshall be heard in the land. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om inline: s.gifinline: s.gifinline: s.gifinline: logo_reuters.gif
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- Prudy, when someone comes to your door with a weapon, planning to kill you, you can talk them into being friends with you as you are quite a talker. Not everyone has that skill and so ends up dead. Perhaps you can start a training course which will help everyone mellow. Until your training course has chilled everyone out, I think it would be best, for the safety of our own men, to be on guard against the barbarians in the world. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prudy LSent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:23 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/9/2003 1:16:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Story location: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=804941tw=wn_wire_story U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War Monday, December 08, 2003 3:31 p.m. ET By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has adopted tough new tactics against guerrillas in Iraq, arresting relatives of insurgents and destroying houses used to plan attacks against American troops, defense officials said on Monday. But the officials denied the move was modeled on hard-nosed tactics used by Israeli forces in Gaza and the West Bank, despite visits by U.S. military officers to Israel this year to discuss urban combat with Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Do you suppose all this humor is deliberate? I'm really glad to see that the U.S. has finally figured out how to make the Iraqi our friends. It was so generous of the Israeli Defense Forces to show them the methods that have made the Israeli and the Palestinians such good friends. And the voice of the turtleshall be heard in the land. Prudywww.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om s.gifs.gifs.giflogo_reuters.gif
Re: [CTRL] U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War
-Caveat Lector- The United States has been using these tactics since at least the Filipino-American War. Peace, Om K In a message dated 12/8/03 10:16:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War Monday, December 08, 2003 3:31 p.m. ET By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has adopted tough new tactics against guerrillas in Iraq, arresting relatives of insurgents and destroying houses used to plan attacks against American troops, defense officials said on Monday. To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">inline: untitledo.jpginline: untitledo.jpginline: untitledo.jpg
[CTRL] U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War
Title: Wired News -Caveat Lector- More on the Israelization of American political culture and military doctrine: Story location: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=BreakingstoryId=804941tw=wn_wire_story U.S. Adopts New Tactics in Iraq Guerrilla War Monday, December 08, 2003 3:31 p.m. ET By Charles Aldinger WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. military has adopted tough new tactics against guerrillas in Iraq, arresting relatives of insurgents and destroying houses used to plan attacks against American troops, defense officials said on Monday. But the officials denied the move was modeled on hard-nosed tactics used by Israeli forces in Gaza and the West Bank, despite visits by U.S. military officers to Israel this year to discuss urban combat with Israel Defense Forces (IDF). "In recent weeks, we have begun using a much-increased tempo of taking the fight to remnants of the former regime to prevent them from planning and carrying out attacks on our people," one of the U.S. defense officials, who asked not to be identified, told Reuters. "This is new in that we are engaging (attacking) buildings for two reasons - if we find they were used to plan or launch strikes against our forces, or if we have information that arms were being made or kept there for attacks," the official added. Another confirmed a New York Times report that some family members of guerrillas wanted by the military were being arrested. But he said it was not a pressure tactic to coerce insurgents to surrender. "We don't do kidnapping. We are arresting relatives if it becomes known that they are coordinating with those high-value targets that we are seeking, or if they have information where fugitives are holding out," the official said. The Times reported from Iraq that at least one whole Iraqi village had been surrounded by razor wire as part of the crackdown, forcing residents to enter and leave through an American military checkpoint. That is similar to isolation tactics used by Israel in its war with insurgents. ADVICE FROM ISRAEL ON URBAN TACTICS Brig. Gen. Michael Vane, a senior officer in the U.S. Army's Doctrine and Training Command, said in a letter to Army magazine in July that American officers had gone to Israel to discuss urban combat and intelligence with the IDF. "Although there is much work to be done, it is inaccurate to characterize our thinking and doctrine on urban warfare as anachronistic. Experience continues to teach us many lessons, and we continue to evaluate and incorporate them appropriately into our concepts, doctrine and training," wrote Vane. "For example, we recently traveled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," added the general, deputy chief of staff for doctrine concepts and strategy. "There is a fair amount of military intellectual discussion that goes on between the U.S. Army and the IDF," Harvey Perritt, a spokesman for the training command, told Reuters on Monday. He said Vane was apparently referring to a visit to Israel in January, months before the Iraq War began. Pentagon officials cautioned against drawing any direct parallel between Israeli tactics against guerrillas on the West Bank and the new U.S. moves in Iraq. "We made this decision to adopt a much more aggressive stance based on the conditions at hand, not on what is going on elsewhere," said one official. In one recent incident, the U.S. military used a bulldozer last week to knock down the front wall of a small compound owned by an elderly couple in the Iraqi village of Hawija west of Kirkuk after troops found a large cache of explosives in the house. An order was at first given to completely destroy the house, but an American officer later relented. One soldier told reporters the threat to destroy the house had been a ruse to make the elderly woman provide information. Copyright © 2003 Reuters Limited. Wired News: Staff | Contact Us | Advertising | RSSWe are translated daily into Spanish, Portuguese, and Japanese © Copyright 2003, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved.Your use of this website constitutes acceptance of the Lycos Privacy Policy and Terms Conditions Note: You are reading this message either because you can not see our css files (served from Akamai for performance reasons), or because you do not have a standards-compliant browser. Read our design notes for details. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always
