[CTRL] Undisclosed Gay Greeks

2000-10-09 Thread Justine Blake

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   Undisclosed Gay Greeks
Finally! Something of actual interest to read on this list! Thanks for
posting it J. Taylor!
Justine



 by Paul Gottfried

   On September 23, we are told about a sign of change that the New York
   Times obviously approves of. The editors of the Loeb Greek and Latin
   classics (published at Harvard) are now offering translations of
   ancient authors that do justice to their homoerotic interests. Though
   the account makes it appear that the new enlightened editors are at
   last honoring James Loeb, the founder and patron of the series who had
   no use for "bowdlerized" translations, these comments are both vacuous
   and hypocritical.




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[CTRL] Undisclosed Gay Greeks

2000-10-08 Thread J Taylor

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   Undisclosed Gay Greeks

 by Paul Gottfried

   On September 23, we are told about a sign of change that the New York
   Times obviously approves of. The editors of the Loeb Greek and Latin
   classics (published at Harvard) are now offering translations of
   ancient authors that do justice to their homoerotic interests. Though
   the account makes it appear that the new enlightened editors are at
   last honoring James Loeb, the founder and patron of the series who had
   no use for "bowdlerized" translations, these comments are both vacuous
   and hypocritical.

   The media and the filmmakers doctor reality incessantly to make it fit
   their escalating ideological agenda. Thus in films we hardly ever see
   blacks committing violent crimes in inner cities, while media reports
   of black and Hispanic riots typically attribute them to economic
   oppression and white racism. Note also the cloying way homosexual
   activists are presented in the Times, unlike such predictable heavies
   as (non-leftist) Southern whites, non-media big business, and
   Christian traditionalists. If disclosing the full truth is what the
   past Loeb editors failed to do, their sins fall far short of those
   committed by our national press, including the Times.

   The two ancient authors mentioned in the news item whose homoerotic
   interests had been allegedly hidden by prudish or mendacious
   translators, Aristophanes and Plato, are bad illustrations for a
   questionable argument. Aristophanes, in his plays, reported the
   "bawdy" humor surrounding Athenian pedophiles, but it is doubtful this
   playwright had any sympathy for the libertines featured or ridiculed
   in his work. A critic of Socrates, whom he thought was corrupting
   Athenss youth, Aristophanes detested non-traditional morals and
   beliefs and never, as far as I know, treated homoeroticism in a
   favorable light. Moreover, Plato was so critical of homosexual acts
   that he made them a capital offense in The Laws. Though the accuracy
   of this harsh judgment has been subject to dispute by politically
   correct classicists, most famously Martha Nussbaum, it is hard to read
   the disputed text without agreeing with the established translation.
   When the Eleatic Stranger, who leads the conversation, concludes that
   homosexuality is para phusin, he does mean what he says, that the act
   is "against Nature."

   Platos Symposium is another case in point, a now misrepresented text
   that offers negative judgments about homoerotic relations. Here the
   future political adventurer and self-absorbed pedophile Alcibiades
   recalls a night spent sleeping next to Socrates. This deeply ascetic
   teacher resisted his advances and acted in such a manner as would
   "befit a father or older brother." Alcibiades and the other former
   symposiasts testify to Socratess efforts to contrast homoerotic
   passions to the yearning for a "higher beauty" that is spiritual.

   If gay activists and their media boosters are looking for a usable
   past, they might try such plausible candidates as Ernst Roehms Brown
   Shirts. On the other hand, misrepresenting the intentions of respected
   ancient authors does have its propagandistic advantage, especially if
   scholars can be browbeaten or rewarded into going along.

  October 4, 2000

   Paul Gottfried is professor of history at Elizabethtown College and
   author, most recently, of the highly recommended After Liberalism.


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