[CTRL] Why do you do this to us?

2003-03-25 Thread Jei
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Counting Iraq's dead civilians
By Jackson Thoreau

Deep in the pit of Hell, Fatima Abdullah screams. Few hear her. Especially
not the pilots in the U.S. and British jets that have been raining 2,000-lb.
bombs, which obliterate everything within a football field upon impact, on
Baghdad since Thursday. Especially not the U.S. generals who refuse to
acknowledge the lives of kids like Fatehah Abdullah, Fatima Abdullah’s
eight-year-old son.

Fatehah is dead, another victim in Bush’s and Cheney’s Blood for Oil, Inc.
war. And Bush, Cheney and the generals that push this massacre could care
less. Welcome to the New World Order.

U.S. Commander Tommy Franks says they will not tabulate body counts,
especially of Iraqis, in this war that is as illegitimate as Bush’s claim to
the White House. The bulk of the U.S. media will not report on civilian
casualties, unless they are so large that even our
corporate-and-Republican-controlled media cannot ignore them.

But some of us will. I will. Fatehah Abdullah may just be eight years old.
He may be Arab. But he counts for something in my book.

He’s number 303. And that number of Iraqi civilians killed by our bombs
continues to rise.

Since the outbreak of the latest phase of the war for Iraqi oil and
continued U.S. domination of the planet Wednesday, I have not slept much. I
have paid little attention to the talking heads on CNN, who like to call
themselves the most trusted name in news. CNN commentators lied once again
about progressive film maker Michael Moore being booed off the Oscar stage
Sunday. As the British news agency Reuters reported, many in the Hollywood
crowd gave Moore a standing ovation as he issued his anti-Bush, anti-war
remarks. Moore himself had this to say to reporters: Don't report that
there was a split decision in the hall because five loud people booed.
Maybe CNN is the most trusted name in the U.S. media to paint pictures the
way the Bush administration wants them painted.

I have concentrated on reading international media reports such as from
London’s Guardian. I have read the reports from activists like Voices in the
Wilderness’ Iraq Peace Team who put their lives on the line to try to
protect Iraqis. I have scanned the reports from alternative media like the
United Kingdom’s Independent Media Centre.

And I’m here to tell you what Gen. Franks and CNN and Donahue-less MSNBC and
others will not: More than 300 Iraqi civilians – many of them children, as
almost half of Baghdad’s population is under age 14 - have been killed by
the U.S.-led massive aerial bombing campaign, as of early Tuesday. Many more
will probably soon die in hospitals.

At Al Kindi Hospital in Baghdad, Fatima Abdullah screamed, Why do you do
this to us? to April Hurley, a physician and member of the Iraq Peace Team.
Not only is one of her sons dead, but her four-year-old boy and two
daughters were wounded by a missile that hit her uncle's home outside
Baghdad, near a bridge targeted by U.S. bombers.

Nada Adnan, a 13-year-old student at a high school for girls, is among those
with deep wounds who must suffer in anguish without basic medicines that
could at least give her some temporary relief from the pain. Cheney’s oil
company, Dallas-based Halliburton, could make millions supplying Iraq with
oil equipment after the 1991 Gulf War. But relief workers could not ship
basic medicines to Iraq because that violated the economic sanctions imposed
by the UN on Hussein’s regime. To repeat: Cheney’s company can make millions
in oil deals, but Iraqi kids like Nada cannot get basic medicines.

Want to talk precision bombing? Talk to Nahla Harbi, a passenger driving
away from Baghdad with her two-year-old when a military school for boys was
struck, causing her car to roll. She escaped with fractures in both legs.
Her toddler suffered head injuries.

Talk to the families of the five Syrians who died when a U.S. missile struck
a Syrian passenger bus near the Iraqi border. Ten other passengers, most of
whom were laborers working in Iraqi oil fields, were injured.
One of the more ludicrous aspects of this war is how U.S. officials are
crying foul when Iraq pulls a few tricks like pretend surrenders and putting
POWs on television. Iraq is violating the Geneva Convention, U.S.
officials say. These are the same officials who ignore international laws
such as the UN charter that states one country cannot invade another without
provocation or the blessing of the UN Security Council. These are the same
officials who ignore international treaties like those governing nuclear
weapons and global warming.

So it’s unfair for Iraq to put prisoners on television or use civilians as
soldiers or women and kids as shields? Tell me, what’s fair about one side
spending $400 billion annually on nuclear weapons, high-tech weapons, etc.
and the other spending some $1.4 billion on scud missiles and other low-tech
weapons after years of economic sanctions that has wracked its strength?
That’s like 

Re: [CTRL] Why do you do this to us?

2003-03-25 Thread Zuukie
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A serious question.  The Iraqi leadership has brutalized its people for
many years.  Now it appeared to be on the verge of brutalizing the
western world in connection with other powerful leaders outside of the
Arab world.  If the US had not taken the action did, what do you think
the world and US situation would look like ten years from now and please
justify your answer with some factual information.

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Counting Iraq's dead civilians
By Jackson Thoreau

Deep in the pit of Hell, Fatima Abdullah screams. Few hear her.
Especially
not the pilots in the U.S. and British jets that have been raining
2,000-lb.
bombs, which obliterate everything within a football field upon impact,
on
Baghdad since Thursday. Especially not the U.S. generals who refuse to
acknowledge the lives of kids like Fatehah Abdullah, Fatima Abdullah’s
eight-year-old son.

Fatehah is dead, another victim in Bush’s and Cheney’s Blood for Oil,
Inc.
war. And Bush, Cheney and the generals that push this massacre could
care
less. Welcome to the New World Order.

U.S. Commander Tommy Franks says they will not tabulate body counts,
especially of Iraqis, in this war that is as illegitimate as Bush’s
claim to
the White House. The bulk of the U.S. media will not report on civilian
casualties, unless they are so large that even our
corporate-and-Republican-controlled media cannot ignore them.

But some of us will. I will. Fatehah Abdullah may just be eight years
old.
He may be Arab. But he counts for something in my book.

He’s number 303. And that number of Iraqi civilians killed by our bombs
continues to rise.

Since the outbreak of the latest phase of the war for Iraqi oil and
continued U.S. domination of the planet Wednesday, I have not slept
much. I
have paid little attention to the talking heads on CNN, who like to call
themselves the most trusted name in news. CNN commentators lied once
again
about progressive film maker Michael Moore being booed off the Oscar
stage
Sunday. As the British news agency Reuters reported, many in the
Hollywood
crowd gave Moore a standing ovation as he issued his anti-Bush, anti-war
remarks. Moore himself had this to say to reporters: Don't report that
there was a split decision in the hall because five loud people booed.
Maybe CNN is the most trusted name in the U.S. media to paint pictures
the
way the Bush administration wants them painted.

I have concentrated on reading international media reports such as from
London’s Guardian. I have read the reports from activists like Voices in
the
Wilderness’ Iraq Peace Team who put their lives on the line to try to
protect Iraqis. I have scanned the reports from alternative media like
the
United Kingdom’s Independent Media Centre.

And I’m here to tell you what Gen. Franks and CNN and Donahue-less MSNBC
and
others will not: More than 300 Iraqi civilians – many of them children,
as
almost half of Baghdad’s population is under age 14 - have been killed
by
the U.S.-led massive aerial bombing campaign, as of early Tuesday. Many
more
will probably soon die in hospitals.

At Al Kindi Hospital in Baghdad, Fatima Abdullah screamed, Why do you
do
this to us? to April Hurley, a physician and member of the Iraq Peace
Team.
Not only is one of her sons dead, but her four-year-old boy and two
daughters were wounded by a missile that hit her uncle's home outside
Baghdad, near a bridge targeted by U.S. bombers.

Nada Adnan, a 13-year-old student at a high school for girls, is among
those
with deep wounds who must suffer in anguish without basic medicines that
could at least give her some temporary relief from the pain. Cheney’s
oil
company, Dallas-based Halliburton, could make millions supplying Iraq
with
oil equipment after the 1991 Gulf War. But relief workers could not ship
basic medicines to Iraq because that violated the economic sanctions
imposed
by the UN on Hussein’s regime. To repeat: Cheney’s company can make
millions
in oil deals, but Iraqi kids like Nada cannot get basic medicines.

Want to talk precision bombing? Talk to Nahla Harbi, a passenger driving
away from Baghdad with her two-year-old when a military school for boys
was
struck, causing her car to roll. She escaped with fractures in both
legs.
Her toddler suffered head injuries.

Talk to the families of the five Syrians who died when a U.S. missile
struck
a Syrian passenger bus near the Iraqi border. Ten other passengers, most
of
whom were laborers working in Iraqi oil fields, were injured.
One of the more ludicrous aspects of this war is how U.S. officials are
crying foul when Iraq pulls a few tricks like pretend surrenders and
putting
POWs on television. Iraq is violating the Geneva Convention, U.S.
officials say. These are the same officials who ignore international
laws

Re: [CTRL] Why do you do this to us?

2003-03-25 Thread Jei
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You ask us to predict a hypothetical future for 10 years to
come and justify it with facts? You don't ask for much, do you?

But for one thing, maybe International Law and sovereignity of nations
would still be respected. Now, we can only rely on the force of arms
and weapons of mass destructions to protect the people and nations on
this planet from brutal business warriors and nutcases in charge of
armies. As for the facts to support this conclusion, the US handling
of North Korea vs US handling of Iraq are an excellent example. One
is getting silk gloved treatment, while the other is going to be raped
for all it's worth.

I bet no WMDs will be found in Iraq, lest it says Made in USA
or Israel, painted over with crosses and Irag stamped in place.

As for the future we will experience, it is one of proliferation of
weapons of mass destruction and unlimited warfare for the reasons
of business and making money, with total disregard for any treaties
and laws. Anarchy, some might call it. But, it is explicitly clear
that US and Bush  co are keen on pissing on any and all treaties
they don't like, and will keep on doing so if and when they can make
fast profits for small numbers of people by doing so.

On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Zuukie wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 A serious question.  The Iraqi leadership has brutalized its people for
 many years.  Now it appeared to be on the verge of brutalizing the
 western world in connection with other powerful leaders outside of the
 Arab world.  If the US had not taken the action did, what do you think
 the world and US situation would look like ten years from now and please
 justify your answer with some factual information.

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Jei
 Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:37 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] Why do you do this to us?

 -Caveat Lector-

 Counting Iraq's dead civilians
 By Jackson Thoreau

 Deep in the pit of Hell, Fatima Abdullah screams. Few hear her.
 Especially not the pilots in the U.S. and British jets that have been
 raining 2,000-lb. bombs, which obliterate everything within a football
 field upon impact, on Baghdad since Thursday. Especially not the U.S.
 generals who refuse to acknowledge the lives of kids like Fatehah
 Abdullah, Fatima Abdullah’s eight-year-old son.

 Fatehah is dead, another victim in Bush’s and Cheney’s Blood for Oil,
 Inc. war. And Bush, Cheney and the generals that push this massacre
 could care less. Welcome to the New World Order.

 U.S. Commander Tommy Franks says they will not tabulate body counts,
 especially of Iraqis, in this war that is as illegitimate as Bush’s
 claim to the White House. The bulk of the U.S. media will not report on
 civilian casualties, unless they are so large that even our
 corporate-and-Republican-controlled media cannot ignore them.

 But some of us will. I will. Fatehah Abdullah may just be eight years
 old. He may be Arab. But he counts for something in my book.

 He’s number 303. And that number of Iraqi civilians killed by our bombs
 continues to rise.

 Since the outbreak of the latest phase of the war for Iraqi oil and
 continued U.S. domination of the planet Wednesday, I have not slept
 much. I have paid little attention to the talking heads on CNN, who like
 to call themselves the most trusted name in news. CNN commentators
 lied once again about progressive film maker Michael Moore being booed
 off the Oscar stage Sunday. As the British news agency Reuters reported,
 many in the Hollywood crowd gave Moore a standing ovation as he issued
 his anti-Bush, anti-war remarks. Moore himself had this to say to
 reporters: Don't report that there was a split decision in the hall
 because five loud people booed. Maybe CNN is the most trusted name in
 the U.S. media to paint pictures the way the Bush administration wants
 them painted.

 I have concentrated on reading international media reports such as from
 London’s Guardian. I have read the reports from activists like Voices in
 the Wilderness’ Iraq Peace Team who put their lives on the line to try
 to protect Iraqis. I have scanned the reports from alternative media
 like the United Kingdom’s Independent Media Centre.

 And I’m here to tell you what Gen. Franks and CNN and Donahue-less MSNBC
 and others will not: More than 300 Iraqi civilians – many of them
 children, as almost half of Baghdad’s population is under age 14 - have
 been killed by the U.S.-led massive aerial bombing campaign, as of early
 Tuesday. Many more will probably soon die in hospitals.

 At Al Kindi Hospital in Baghdad, Fatima Abdullah screamed, Why do you
 do this to us? to April Hurley, a physician and member of the Iraq
 Peace Team. Not only is one of her sons dead, but her four-year-old boy
 and two daughters were wounded by a missile that hit her uncle's home
 outside Baghdad, near a bridge targeted by U.S. bombers.

 Nada Adnan, a 13-year-old student