-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy ----- As always, Caveat Lector. Om K ----- <A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:496567">about Steve Kangas, money, & balance of power.</A> ----- Subject: about Steve Kangas, money, & balance of power. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Bashford) Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 2:01 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 26 Feb (gdy52150) wrote: about: Re: Web warrior Steve Kangas' untimely death... >On Fri, 26 Feb (Doug Bashford) wrote: > >> >>on Fri, 26 Feb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Cross) wrote: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... >>>> >>>> > Of course I'm curious as to the degree of public access >>>> > to the 39th >>>> > floor, whether Scaife has a penthouse residency, whether >>>> > Steve had an appointment, etc. >>>> >>>> "no right-wing conspiracy" to get rid of Clinton and a lot of that writing >>>> centered on Scaife's finances and how it relates to Ken Starr. >>>> >>>> Of course, if Scaife is nuts enough to sanction wiping out Steve Kangas, why >> >>>So let me get this straight: Steve Kangas writes a web page >>Kangas' http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/tenets.htm is >>over 300 html pages, a virtual anti-propaganda arsenal, >>complete with documentation, the forerunner of a nearly completed >>book. >> >>> about Richard Mellon Scaife funneling money into conservative causes. >>Just an overview of the facts... >>That's old hat. TIME did that same article several months ago, >>the graphics showed Scaife as the hub of a wheel. >>As I've said, I think the get-Clinton aspect of this is small >>potatoes. In the big picture of Kangas's site, even Scaife was >>not a huge player. For example, check out Scaife's CIA connections. >>Kangas seemed to think he was working on the hidden fabric of >>American capitalism. Or as somebody else put it: >> "For the past year or so, Steve was hot on the trail of >> a major conspiracy theory of his, involving CIA relationships >> with big business and major conservative foundations. He gave >> a general outline of his ideas in The Origins of the Overclass. >> Steve apparently worked on his site until mere days before his >> death, and had long term plans to turn it into one or more books." >he was breaking new ground going beyond what other authors have >uncovered. Try reading " Who Rules America" by G. William Dumhoff. >That book is somewhat a classic and is now in its third edition. And >clearly shows how the rich control every aspect of the government. It There does seem to be a growing consensus in that area. I find it difficult to believe, but certainly plausible. After all, what's Desert Storm really about? Oil. In school we all learned about the US government system of checks and balances. But I think of equal importance is the economic systems of checks and balances, a three-way balance between employer, employee, and government. That pretty much sums up most political debates in the economic arena -- the struggle to shift this balance point. For example, it could be argued that in 1978, the employees had too much power. To me, this seems like a deadly fragile system, because if it gets too far out of balance, all the power and money flows to one end of the scale, -- they attract and cause each other. In theory, the side that is left high and dry would assert itself and grab the power back. But what if the shift was hidden? Let's just keep our eyes open. >should also be pointed out here now that the CIA has become involved >in economic espionage recently. The French threw a CIA agent out of >France for just that in the last decade. Now guess who benefits from >that info? The popular support for the Microsoft monopoly suggests to me a bothersome trend to see economics as an ice hockey game or even as war. People need to trade in their lemon-aid stand economic theories for something a bit more realistic. >>>A vindictive, all- >>>seeing Scaife lures Kangas from Las Vegas to Pittsburgh. Lures >>>him to his headquarters, nay, to his very BATHROOM and has him >>>killed in such a way, a la Vince Foster, as to make it seem a suicide. >> >>*has* him killed? Seems too sloppy for much pre-meditation. >> >>> Then he uses his influence with a corrupt Pittsburgh police >>>department to declare it such, a la Park Police. Is that what >>>you're saying? >> >>laughingggg! Who, moi? The cops found a dead transient >>California hippy [spit]. Corrupt????? I dunno. >> >>>I have a theory nearly as bizarre. Care to hear it? >>>Kurt Nicklas >> >>What fun! You betcha! Don't forget to mention that >>Kangas was ex-military intelligence and tournament >>chess player! -- Douglas bashford ät psnw döt-cöm-- ===== Subject: Re: about Steve Kangas, money, & balance of power. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (gdy52150) Date: Sat, Feb 27, 1999 3:45 PM Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:01:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug Bashford) wrote: > >on Fri, 26 Feb (gdy52150) wrote: >about: Re: Web warrior Steve Kangas' untimely death... >>On Fri, 26 Feb (Doug Bashford) wrote: >> >>> >>>on Fri, 26 Feb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Cross) wrote: >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... >>>>> >>>>> > Of course I'm curious as to the degree of public access >>>>> > to the 39th >>>>> > floor, whether Scaife has a penthouse residency, whether >>>>> > Steve had an appointment, etc. >>>>> >>>>> "no right-wing conspiracy" to get rid of Clinton and a lot of that writing >>>>> centered on Scaife's finances and how it relates to Ken Starr. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, if Scaife is nuts enough to sanction wiping out Steve Kangas, why >>> >>>>So let me get this straight: Steve Kangas writes a web page > >>>Kangas' http://www.scruz.net/~kangaroo/tenets.htm is >>>over 300 html pages, a virtual anti-propaganda arsenal, >>>complete with documentation, the forerunner of a nearly completed >>>book. >>> >>>> about Richard Mellon Scaife funneling money into conservative causes. > >>>Just an overview of the facts... >>>That's old hat. TIME did that same article several months ago, >>>the graphics showed Scaife as the hub of a wheel. >>>As I've said, I think the get-Clinton aspect of this is small >>>potatoes. In the big picture of Kangas's site, even Scaife was >>>not a huge player. For example, check out Scaife's CIA connections. >>>Kangas seemed to think he was working on the hidden fabric of >>>American capitalism. Or as somebody else put it: > >>> "For the past year or so, Steve was hot on the trail of >>> a major conspiracy theory of his, involving CIA relationships >>> with big business and major conservative foundations. He gave >>> a general outline of his ideas in The Origins of the Overclass. >>> Steve apparently worked on his site until mere days before his >>> death, and had long term plans to turn it into one or more books." > >>he was breaking new ground going beyond what other authors have >>uncovered. Try reading " Who Rules America" by G. William Dumhoff. >>That book is somewhat a classic and is now in its third edition. And >>clearly shows how the rich control every aspect of the government. It > >There does seem to be a growing consensus in that area. I >find it difficult to believe, but certainly plausible. After >all, what's Desert Storm really about? Oil. In school we all >learned about the US government system of checks and balances. >But I think of equal importance is the economic systems of >checks and balances, a three-way balance between employer, employee, >and government. That pretty much sums up most political debates >in the economic arena -- the struggle to shift this balance point. >For example, it could be argued that in 1978, the employees >had too much power. > >To me, this seems like a deadly fragile system, because if it >gets too far out of balance, all the power and money flows to one >end of the scale, -- they attract and cause each other. > >In theory, the side that is left high and dry would assert >itself and grab the power back. But what if the shift was >hidden? Let's just keep our eyes open. > But what happens when the shift is all encompassing? For example lets take a close look at raygun's interiror department. james Watt head of dept of Interior---formerly of the Mountain State Legal Foundation--- a group funded and started by Coors Anne Gorusch head of EPA---formerly supported by Coors in the Colorado legislature Robert Burford head of BLM---- married Gorush, a rancher with grazing permits on 32,000 acres of BLM land. Sanderson and Field---EPA consultants brought to the EPA by Gorusch both were former Coors lawyers. Durham---- EPA head of the 6 state region--- former colleague of Gorusch in the Colorado legislature Coors manipulated additional dumping into a landfill previously shut down through Sanderson, who just happen to be an lawyer for the manager of the landfill, Chemical Waste management. Now to tie this all together, long a mouth piece for the CIA and the hard right Readers Digest referred to Joe Coors as a leading environmentalist. Now thats a funny label for the head of the company that is primarly responsible for a waste site that is deserving of superfund status but do to undue political influence has not been granted that status. source "The Coors Connection' by Russ Bellant. One comment here, the elections are set up today in such a manner that only the rich or those that are supported by the rich can afford to run a campaign. Details at: http://www.world.std.com/~nvri >>should also be pointed out here now that the CIA has become involved >>in economic espionage recently. The French threw a CIA agent out of >>France for just that in the last decade. Now guess who benefits from >>that info? > >The popular support for the Microsoft monopoly suggests to >me a bothersome trend to see economics as an ice hockey game >or even as war. People need to trade in their lemon-aid >stand economic theories for something a bit more realistic. > >>>>A vindictive, all- >>>>seeing Scaife lures Kangas from Las Vegas to Pittsburgh. Lures >>>>him to his headquarters, nay, to his very BATHROOM and has him >>>>killed in such a way, a la Vince Foster, as to make it seem a suicide. >>> >>>*has* him killed? Seems too sloppy for much pre-meditation. >>> >>>> Then he uses his influence with a corrupt Pittsburgh police >>>>department to declare it such, a la Park Police. Is that what >>>>you're saying? >>> >>>laughingggg! Who, moi? The cops found a dead transient >>>California hippy [spit]. Corrupt????? I dunno. >>> >>>>I have a theory nearly as bizarre. Care to hear it? >>>>Kurt Nicklas >>> >>>What fun! You betcha! Don't forget to mention that >>>Kangas was ex-military intelligence and tournament >>>chess player! > >-- Douglas bashford ät psnw döt-cöm-- > > ==================================================== For those seeking Enlightenment http://prairie.lakes.com/~gdy52150/whiterose.htm home of "The Mr. Sam Memorial Blithering Idiot Of The Month Award" Do your patriotic duty an reward your favorite cackling loon by voting today at http://prairie.lakes.com/~gdy52150/award.html GDY Weasel ====================================================== DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! 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