Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-21 Thread tenebroust

If that constitutes the "Best Evidence" then this position truly cannot be supported 
scientifically.  Consider that we have NO verified sample of anything "not of this 
Earth".  We have no verified "alien technology".  We have no verified, and or analyzed 
example of "extraterrestrial life form".  We have nothing, in short.  What we do have 
is supposition (not that I'm against that in and of itself, nor am I against anyone's 
belief in alien visitation, but I will grouse at the mention of "evidence" when it is 
more a matter of BELIEF).  What we do have is anecdotal reports, which based on the 
preheld notions of the investigators are given an "alien spin".  UFO's could be many 
things not the least of which are TERRESTRIAL SECRET CRAFT, which is almost wholly 
ignored by this group of people in favor of the much more exotic "ETH".  Let us be 
aware that this issue is one that has been manipulated by the Intelligence agencies 
over the years since Kenneth Arnold's first sighting.  They like it when people get 
their panties all in a bunch defending indefensible positions while your attention is 
directed away from the man behind the curtain wearing a USAF uniform, or having CIA 
credentials.  They sit back and call it all bunk and have the whole notion 
discredited, and that means when people talk about Aurora it is tainted by the whole 
UFO-Alien issue and no one believes it is real.


On Sat, 20 May 2000, DIG alfred webre wrote:


 In a message dated 00-05-20 20:43:51 EDT, you write:

  Which is? 

 Try "Best Available Evidence"
 http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ufobrief.html

 CSETI
 http://www.cseti.org/

 The first document was delivered to the President of the USA (Bill Clinton),
 the US Congress and Heads of State around the world by an interested group of
 researchers, funded by et-curious Laurance Rockefeller.  About 1000 copies
 exist.   You can purchase copies on the Net for a modest sum.  It is a
 serious research document, which should be approached with the methodology of
 science and the respect due the many lives of humans who have been
 assassinated by the secret state in order to cover up an extraterrestrial
 presence.  Like conspiracy research, et research is demanding and a sacred
 task.  IMHO Alfred

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Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-20 Thread Nurev Ind Research

Nicky Molloy wrote:

 Here is a rare mental treat folks! I just reviewed Alfred Webre's book on
 the preparation of our entry into Universal society to join with the
 intergalactic federation and WOW I do think he will be worth a listen on
 Jeff Rense's show Sightings on 29 May. Did it ever occur to anyone that
 earth may actually be in quarantine from the rest of the Universe?

No. Not really.

 If you
 weight up all the odds of this being likely - well it seems to fit
 perfectly.

Could you show those numbers which make these odds likely.

 This is great exercise for expanding the mind.

Try Miracle Gro instead.

 Be good to get
 some feedback and see what others think too - Alfred has been hiding his
 talent. I think people need to get prepared for the possibility of us
 rejoining the Universe.

This is a good idea. As practice, why not try rejoining the planet first.

 They are here and we aren't preparedAlfred used
 to be a futurist at Stanford and has sussed out all that we need to achieve
 to get back into the universal fold.
 Nicky

Dear Nicky,

I don't want list members to get the erroneous impression that I have it in
for you ( so to speak ). I don't. I think that you are bright and energetic.
It's your judgment that I question. Apparently you are capable of believing
ANYTHING.

This should not be confused with being open minded. They are not the same thing
though might appear to be.

There might or might not be intelligent life out in the universe, " but there's
bugger all down here on Earth." (- Monty Python's The Meaning of Life.)

The TRUTH is that we don't know. There is a huge leap to be made from "we don't
know," to what this guy is proposing. In between, there is not sufficient hard
evidence to evoke his conclusion, and your endorsement of that conclusion.

To counteract this nonsense, I suggest you read Rare Earth. This book's authors
propose the theory that life on Earth is UNIQUE. This theory does not require
outrageous leaps of fantasy because ALL CURRENT EVIDENCE SHOWS THIS TO BE THE
CASE. Now, I understand that we may be limited to what we currently know and
that it will surely change, but at least it's rooted in reality.

So keep working on those ol' critical faculties there.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-20 Thread DIG alfred webre

In a message dated 00-05-20 15:43:28 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 To counteract this nonsense, I suggest you read Rare Earth. This book's
authors
 propose the theory that life on Earth is UNIQUE. This theory does not require
 outrageous leaps of fantasy because ALL CURRENT EVIDENCE SHOWS THIS TO BE THE
 CASE. 

There really is no contradiction between Rare Earth and the Exopolitics model.
The model put forth in Rare Earth represents a best guess by the authors as
to the probablity of existence of other life bearing planets.  Exopolitics as
well represents a field theory based on the probablity that other
life-bearing planets exist besides Earth.  The two authors differ, based on
evidence.  The Rare Earth authors overlook the hard evidence of
extraterrestrial presence on Earth.  Carl Sagan would even say they are
limited!!! Exopolitics says Earth is a very rare planet in a populated
Universe, which is the more accurate view. Alfred Webre, Vancouver, BC

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Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-20 Thread nessie

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 The Rare Earth authors overlook the hard evidence of

extraterrestrial presence on Earth.



Which is?

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Re: [CTRL] EXOPOLITICS - Book Review by N Molloy

2000-05-20 Thread DIG alfred webre

In a message dated 00-05-20 20:43:51 EDT, you write:

 Which is? 

Try "Best Available Evidence"
http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ufobrief.html

CSETI
http://www.cseti.org/

The first document was delivered to the President of the USA (Bill Clinton),
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