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On 8 Feb 02, at 22:39, thew wrote:
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On 8 Feb 02, at 16:11, thew wrote:
good and evil deeds exist
evil and good deeds are concrete
SATAN IS NOT
This seems to be a contradiction. evil ... are concrete but SATAN
as the embodiment of evil is not.
first of all I said evil deeds, not evil , and although your ellipsis
is
very adorable, let's stick with what I actually said - it may be a
subtle difference - but it is a difference.
Aside from your adoration of my being elliptical, I did include what
you wrote and did not want to re-enter keystroke by keystroke what
you had written well enough by yourself. Ergo, I quoted where I
could have just selected bits and bytes.
I focussed on evil -- and you perhaps picked up on this
inadvertently by your reference to ellipses -- evil because using
terms that avoid possibilities of gradations of meaning or meanings
depending upon perspective tend to send arguments or discussions into
circularities, never ending, i.e.
I realise that there are some who bristle at UbL humming Gershwin's
I'll Take Manhattan, thinking that this unindicted presumed
conspirator is evil personified. One other person wrote that
Georgie uses the terms good and evil to the point where to some
they make sense. Unfortunately, the ideas of evil and evil-doers
and evil deeds depend on what side of the ball one is on. Unless
we're talking about the powdery residue near Battery Park in
Manhattan, evil as a concrete deed has far different
implications if Manhattan is the focus or if Ramallah is the focus.
Both have concrete rubble and residue as the result of evil
deeds.
At some point, we have to realise that many events -- even man-
inspired -- have to considered acts of G*D. Were the WTC towers
blown down by a hurricane, the same degree of tragedy might have
resulted but who would be out there smart-bombing nature?
The problem with mankind's inspirations is that there are others who
think they ought to be controlled somehow. With all of the
political, social, academic, religious, martial, legal, and economic
systems in place, the idea that anyone could deny any of these and
become outlaws just boggles peoples' minds. Therefore, these outlaws
tend to have the withinlaws' ire and all the systematic forces
available to them put into play to counter or overwhelm the outlaws
and their efforts. This is like killing dandelions on the lawn.
And, this becomes confused when the outlaws are actually the
withinlaws in their own cultures.
Good and evil, whether expressed as deeds or by people or viewed in
the abstract have reverse sides; these are evil and good,
respectively. Same coin, flip sides. As one spins, one would do so
on the edge and find the two sides almost indistinguishable, but
almost equal nevertheless.
I said I have no problem with the use of Satan as a metaphor , to
describe someone as very evil, an embodiment of evil, but a literal
Satan, no.
I have literally seen a literal SatAn. It was on top of a building
in Germany, and it was probably named for a SATellite ANtenna.
Would that mean that any of the
other mythological figures are equally un-concrete?
Why, yes, yes it would.
Unless you're a Catholic whose hands and feet and chest area bleed
every Easter.
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