Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- I guess I will have to do that now; the article was about teenage neo-nazi's living in an afluent community who beat, shot at, and robbed migrant workers in their 60's in San Deigo County, who were minding their own business and picking crops. Then I noticed a post here about blacks beating migrant workers. That was NOT the incident I was refering to. I wonder if someone counted the number of times non-whites are harrassed by conservatives, vs the number of times non-whites are harrassed by other non-whites...what do you think? Jeanne - Original Message - From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information > -Caveat Lector- > > It's spooky all right. Still, a trip to the library might gain you some > info. Unless they've placed all the newspapers under lock and key. Prudy > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- It's spooky all right. Still, a trip to the library might gain you some info. Unless they've placed all the newspapers under lock and key. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
Sounds like it may be a unionized attack from the journalists? - Original Message - From: Jeanne S To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been searching for info on past news articles and nothing is coming up in any of the search engines regarding the beating and robbery of aged migrant workers by teenage members of a hate group from Carmel Mountain Ranch. I have searched many metaengines and news resource sites, etc. This is interesting as there was a lot of news coverage regarding this a couple of years ago. I went to the San Diego Union Tribune's website to search the archives and found the following message: FROM THE SAN DIEGO UNION TRIBUNE WEBSITE ARCHIVES: "Because of a legal challenge to newspapers' rights to place some older articles in their electronic archives, The San Diego Union-Tribune has barred access to all of the archive's contents created prior to January 1, 2000. When the legal challenge is resolved or technical strategies are devised to block display of only the challenged articles, the pre-2000 contents of the archive may be restored. " http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sandiego/index.html Shades of 1984? Jeanne
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/03/1999 2:02:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > > Britain's Freedom of Information Act a charter for state > secrecy > > By Jean Shaoul > 3 July 1999 > > Back to screen version > > The introduction of right to know legislation was one of Prime > Minister Tony Blair's key election promises. A Labour government > would be open, accountable and transparent, he said. But the > long-awaited draft Freedom of Information (FoI) Bill not only > fails to fulfil this pledge, it is entirely retrogressive. The > FoI bill strips the White Paper, published 18 months ago, of its > few progressive features. >> Isn't it amazing? And the whole thing is happening here as well. We have Representative Bliley of Virginia who has managed to rush through his bill l790 and it is also senate bill 880. I don't know if it's passed the senate yet, but it probably has, and of course old Republican-issues-supporter Bill Clinton will sign it into law, and it not only messes with the public's right to know, but gives jail time to those responsible for letting them find out. I just love to see us working along with other governments to insure that freedoms of any kind are curtailed. Happy Fourth of July. Prudy DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- thanks for the correction.. It's been a long time since I listened to it. On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, AOL User wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > > It reminds me of an old sixties standard: > > "paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, > > * I believe it's into your LIFE not heart > > > > it starts when you're always afraid, > > step out of line, the man comes to take you away..." > > ** I believe it 's the MEN come and not the man comes to > > > > **can i get a witness > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- Yes, it seems that threats must constantly be created in order for the global government to stay in operation. Just about any threat can be utilized to restrict the civil liberties of citizens. For instance, we have the government's "war on drugs"--clearly, IF the American government seriously wanted the drug trade to come to an end, it would be eradicated. But the illicit trade is integral to the economies of both our latin american "trading partners" AND our national security state. With the passage of NAFTA, the drug flow could be more efficiently micromanaged... On a twenty-four hour basis, trucks are lined up at the Mexican/US border crossing. Few of them get inspected. Just the sheer number of trucks, the logistical nightmare of having to examine every trailer, and the shortage of personnel means many trucks roll across with a minimum inspection. On the Mexican side, there are checkpoints on every major highway going in and out of the interior of Mexico, which are manned by federales, Mexican army units, state police, or local cops--all of this armed muscle is supposedly in place in order to discourage narcotics traffickers, but the local citizenry know they're there to keep complete chaos from breaking out. (Mexico is virtually a police state.) The Mexican cops tend to shake down their own citizens, demanding mordida (bribes)... It's just the way things are done in a police state. Heaven help you if, as an American citizen, the cops just happen to discover a drug in your vehicle! While all of this intense scrutiny of individual citizens is going onthe big narcotraficantes are cutting their deals with their American counterparts, and major shipments of drugs are carried across the border in trucks. When NAFTA was being debated, there were a few rational voices of protest raised. Individuals who had firsthand experience with Mexican political/economic institutions warned American legislators about what would happen, but they were ignored. The fix was in. When the Salinas family was revealed to have been involved in narcotics trafficking AND political assassinations, none of this surprised anyone who has knowledge of conditions down there. Perhaps, the two countries (the US and Mexico) will eventually merge into one big super cop state. Badges? We don' need no steenkin badges! On Wed, 23 Jun 1999, Zombie Cow wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: > > > But in those days of yore, I was all of eighteen years of age and > > idealistic as hell. I had all of these idiotic notions that my government > > would never engage in illegal activities, acts of thuggery, etc. > > Even thugs are privatized nowadays. You can buy any size of mercenary > army if you have the money, excluding perhaps nukes. Just search the > web. There are at least two very big companies, one in England and one > in the US right now selling their services to private companies > operating in Africa. > > When a government can't do something openly, they simply pay the > right private individuals or assassinators via anonymized and > untraceable methods. Believe me, if a government really needs you > dead, then you're dead. It can all be done untraceably, and appear > as an accident. Traffic accidents are probably one of the most > popular methods. > > I've even seen private people advertise on the internet their > anonymous assassination services. > > > was followed by another black ops incident: another friend had the police > > do a search of his apartment only "to discover" drugs. The drugs had been > > planted. In terms of notoriety/importance, all of us were rather > > unimportant actors on the great stage of life...but once we had the > > audacity to resist the system, we placed ourselves in the position of > > being enemies of the state--and whatever civil liberties we might possess, > > were conveniently disregarded. > > And that's how the police forces deal with unwanted persons. > > > Our system has any number of different ways of discrediting/destroying > > individuals. The tactics/techniques have been well-documented, of course. > > So I tend to sympathize with all of those who have been on the receiving > > end of these operations--regardless of their political/philosophical > > sympathies. In theory, we have civil liberties...but the reality is > > something quite different. > > > > But for those of us who were alive back in the sixties, many of us know > > that the Kennedy assassination was a turning point of sorts for > > the nation... a fork in the road that set the nation in a particularly > > nasty direction. We didn't know it at the time, but, in retrospect, we > > crossed the Rubicon back then...and the National Security State went into > > overdrive. > > Still, they've very nicely managed to keep the public convinced of > things being just fine otherwise. Most of the terrorist threats are > just manufactured to enhance their rights a
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- > It reminds me of an old sixties standard: > "paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, * I believe it's into your LIFE not heart > it starts when you're always afraid, > step out of line, the man comes to take you away..." ** I believe it 's the MEN come and not the man comes to **can i get a witness DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- Thank you, Zombie Cow. It reminds me of an old sixties standard: "paranoia strikes deep, into your heart it will creep, it starts when you're always afraid, step out of line, the man comes to take you away..." On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Zombie Cow wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, William Hugh Tunstall wrote: > > > -Caveat Lector- > > > > What is the general consensus of opinion on the Freedom of Information > > Act? > > > > Is there a possibility that just by requesting the information, you might > > be asking the government to zero in on you? After all, to express an > > interest in what might be on file suggests that you might be the kind of > > individual that the government should keep a file on! And how can anyone > > of us who live deep in the bowels of the National Security State belive > > that the government will release all of the information on us? > > > > Then again, all of us (presumably) have the right to see what records the > > government might keep on us. > > > > What are your thoughts. > > FYI, _I know for a fact_ that speaking or joking of certain diseases > (biowar) will get you probed and result in a co-operative intelligence > gathering operation (spying on you), even accross the globe. FBI asks > local law-enforcement agencies for help. All this thanks to the > Echelon system. > > US is spreading it's police-state claws accross the whole globe now, > it seems. > > There is no reason why FOIA requests shouldn't be similarly attracting > a general probe. And I don't know what they do, if you are currently > under an investigation. Apparently there's convenient loopholes > inserted that they won't then have to give you the information? > > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic > screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters > and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright > frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects > spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL > gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; > be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and > nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- thanks, C. for the interesting response. In the land of the free and the home of the brave, it's obvious from your account that one's name can accidentally get on a government list, then you're in for it. I'm pretty sure that the govt has info on me, just by virtue of my knowing the "wrong" people at the "wrong" time (back in the sixties, when Americans, in their innocence, still operated under the illusion that the government exists to protect their interests). During our anti-war meetings on campus, we used to joke that about half of the assembled crowd were working for the government. Of course, later, some of the revelations about COINTELPRO came out...and our suspicions were pretty much confirmed. But in those days of yore, I was all of eighteen years of age and idealistic as hell. I had all of these idiotic notions that my government would never engage in illegal activities, acts of thuggery, etc. The wiser activists had their grim stories to relate, but many of us dismissed their tales, thinking it was only just another manifestation of the general paranoia. But we quickly learned. I think my initiation into the evil ways of the world came when one of my friends, a black activist, was beaten while in police custody in our town Bastille. This incident was followed by another black ops incident: another friend had the police do a search of his apartment only "to discover" drugs. The drugs had been planted. In terms of notoriety/importance, all of us were rather unimportant actors on the great stage of life...but once we had the audacity to resist the system, we placed ourselves in the position of being enemies of the state--and whatever civil liberties we might possess, were conveniently disregarded. Our system has any number of different ways of discrediting/destroying individuals. The tactics/techniques have been well-documented, of course. So I tend to sympathize with all of those who have been on the receiving end of these operations--regardless of their political/philosophical sympathies. In theory, we have civil liberties...but the reality is something quite different. But for those of us who were alive back in the sixties, many of us know that the Kennedy assassination was a turning point of sorts for the nation... a fork in the road that set the nation in a particularly nasty direction. We didn't know it at the time, but, in retrospect, we crossed the Rubicon back then...and the National Security State went into overdrive. On Tue, 22 Jun 1999, Colleen Jones wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > I have a letter in my desk since 1984...in which my attorney requested > my FBI file - now I went not to my regular attorney because he was > former FB > > I had previously gotten part of my file and this was just prior to Larry > Flynt being shot; Mr. Flynt has that portion at this time and they would > never return it...supposedy I was told it was in a locked box, and only > Althea and Larry Flynt had accessthen of course, Larry Flynt was > gunned down...he had hooked up with a certain person whom he could ot > trust, and this individual was CIA connected. > > Well, Clarence Kelly was director for awhile - he said he was trying to > collect my file...suddenly he was gone...the some time later this > Webster - well that was the one director, and I think he was with > Sullivan when he was accidently hotand then so on, etc. Well in > 1984 I got another attorney and suddenly he called and said my file was > in the National Archives. Now why would my file be in th National > Archivesa man named Reagan or Ragon (not Ronald, of course) called > me at home, and said he would send.was very niceand I am still > waiting for it. > > I know why they do not want to send it, or did not at that time; and > yes, they do not want information released. from certain filesbut > the reason they will not get me my file was for this reason...the > Interntional Teamsters under this Frank Fitzsimmons, had the FBI watch > put on me, because they thought I had access to secet files...at the > time I was working with certain people...and suddenly, Sybil Leek had > the IRS after her for $150,000 dollars and could only get me for fifty > dollars, which they raised to 1800 dollars, when I refused to pay the > fifty. > > Well I raised enough hell for twenty people, and we parted friends and > compromisedSybil had to pay up...but the reason I wonderthe feds > did not like Sybil into this drug stuff and the name of the ship was the > RIOand they already were disturbed with me anyway, so they got us > both and we were on a list...I even had the Secret Service at my > door...which was rather funny and my bossie didn't even want to know > why > > The reason hereRockefeller wanted to know about any information > anyone had on JFK stuff; and nothing I had would hold up in Court, but > made somebody upset when you consider that Margaret Mitchell went before > the Judg
Re: [CTRL] Freedom of Information Act
-Caveat Lector- I have a letter in my desk since 1984...in which my attorney requested my FBI file - now I went not to my regular attorney because he was former FB I had previously gotten part of my file and this was just prior to Larry Flynt being shot; Mr. Flynt has that portion at this time and they would never return it...supposedy I was told it was in a locked box, and only Althea and Larry Flynt had accessthen of course, Larry Flynt was gunned down...he had hooked up with a certain person whom he could ot trust, and this individual was CIA connected. Well, Clarence Kelly was director for awhile - he said he was trying to collect my file...suddenly he was gone...the some time later this Webster - well that was the one director, and I think he was with Sullivan when he was accidently hotand then so on, etc. Well in 1984 I got another attorney and suddenly he called and said my file was in the National Archives. Now why would my file be in th National Archivesa man named Reagan or Ragon (not Ronald, of course) called me at home, and said he would send.was very niceand I am still waiting for it. I know why they do not want to send it, or did not at that time; and yes, they do not want information released. from certain filesbut the reason they will not get me my file was for this reason...the Interntional Teamsters under this Frank Fitzsimmons, had the FBI watch put on me, because they thought I had access to secet files...at the time I was working with certain people...and suddenly, Sybil Leek had the IRS after her for $150,000 dollars and could only get me for fifty dollars, which they raised to 1800 dollars, when I refused to pay the fifty. Well I raised enough hell for twenty people, and we parted friends and compromisedSybil had to pay up...but the reason I wonderthe feds did not like Sybil into this drug stuff and the name of the ship was the RIOand they already were disturbed with me anyway, so they got us both and we were on a list...I even had the Secret Service at my door...which was rather funny and my bossie didn't even want to know why The reason hereRockefeller wanted to know about any information anyone had on JFK stuff; and nothing I had would hold up in Court, but made somebody upset when you consider that Margaret Mitchell went before the Judgement at the Watergate carrying a King James Bible...my those were interesting times. Freedom of Information Act? Well, I still got the letter in there, and just for the fun of it tomorrow I am going to write thm, after waiting now 14 years, and tell them I have been patient enough. Most files are tossed out; I had commited no crime, was only on a pest list - but once you get the masons disturbed, well so much for that. I will try againif you can help me I will give you the case file number.the one letter I did get was blanked out, or cesoredand old Hoover himself had written a note on it for Cartha who sent to Toomey and it said "looks like she is equating the Catholic Mafia, to the Masons, to the KKK"...ha, ha, hahe who laughs lastwell a few years later in Time Magazine with the PT stuff, there was a story about the Mafia, in the Masons, and they guy was dressed like a membr of the KKK...and that is when Webster got mad and wrote a snide letter so yes, I do not think they pay any attention to anybody. And I wonder if my file is still there nownot that I really care. Then, Bud Fensterwald died who headed up the Committee...the last big meeting of the group was November of 1974...at Georgetownthen, the books, books, and more books Let me know Colleen DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
