Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/14/99 7:12:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It wasn't just the Germans brought in by Operation Paperclip, either. We "acquired the services" of a large number of Japanese scientists and medical personnel who had been conducting their own experiments on human subjects--not, of course, in the Home Islands, but in occupied Korea (Chosen) and Manchuria (Manchukuo). With regard to the US influence on the Nazis, our particular contribution was in the area of legal codes. The first of the notorious Nuremberg Laws, the one which authorized the sterilization of "racial inferiors" and "congenital defectives", was patterned directly after the Model Eugenics Code published by the American Eugenics Association...which had been adopted by 47 out of the 48 states. (The exception was Pennsylvania, and that was only because Governor Gifford Pinchot didn't like the particular version of the sterilization law that the legislature passed. He supported the eugenics movement quite happily otherwise.) Hitler was quite vocal in his admiration of American eugenicists like Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard. Bob Thanks for pointing out the bit about Japanese scientists, it is a point that we definitely should not forget. Additionally one must look at all the research which our "respected" medical bodies refused to use because it was gained through torture and terminal experiments (the Japanese froze the limbs of both Chinese and American POW's solid then busted them to observe the effects on the unfortunate victim, similar to Nazi experiments in high altitude flight with Jews and other "undesirables being placed in pressure chambers and taken artificially to incredible heights to observe the effects on the body, leading to agony and death). If you believe that one then I got some swamp land in Florida for you. One must ask oneself how a nation like we are could believe a government when it says that it would not use Nazi's (it lied and did and does today), that it wouldn't use this horrific research (they lied, did and do use it), and wouldn't profit from the atrocities (but they have), WHEN they did the VERY SAME things to OUR OWN PEOPLE in illegal human experimentation. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia]
-Caveat Lector- One must ask oneself how a nation like we are could believe a government when it says that it would not use Nazi's They recruited Shiro Ishii, the "Japanese Mengele." How can we then believe they did not also recruit the German Mengele? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia
-Caveat Lector- Teo: I have been thinking along that line too. Reason: My bible code shall we call it Gideon's spies. There is a book called Spear of Destiny re Nazi Experimentshow to evacuate and chase out rabbits, and also Jews. This book is siniser in its complete logic. The man who was to originally have written this, was told not to and found dead later; Cravencraft, then wen ahead with it. I read this book many years ago, and sent it to Sybil Leek, who never returned itit fascinated me, because it fit with experiments linked to the bible code, for instance "My Name Is Legion" story, etc., where the swine panic equated to Swine Flu alleged epidemic. These people are monsters; and this began when our government permitted over 100 Nazi scientists nd doctors to enter this country with von Braun.and the link to Spandau was evident. Bye there Colleen Your stuff is keeping me awake all night. Twice, I have tried to turn this off, but find it imossible DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/14/99 3:10:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These people are monsters; and this began when our government permitted over 100 Nazi scientists nd doctors to enter this country with von Braun.and the link to Spandau was evident. Bye there Colleen Your stuff is keeping me awake all night. Twice, I have tried to turn this off, but find it imossible Sorry about the keeping you awake part, but you are correct on the Nazi influence angle. But it did not BEGIN there just got a good leg up. If you look at our past you will see the US at the forefront of Eugenics research, as well as human experimentation much earlier than the Nazi's and one could even argue that the racial philosophy of the Nazi's and all those who came later, while firmly rooted in the idea of "racial purity" and, as such, inherent to all "racial" groups to one extent or another, was firmly built upon the foundation that was laid by the USA. We "made" the Nazi's and merely accepted our "children" into the family after the war was over. Teo1000 PS Keep reading and commenting I like to get feedback from my posts to let me know that SOMEONE reads them :) Thanks DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia]
-Caveat Lector- Teo One Thousand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/14/99 3:10:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These people are monsters; and this began when our government permitted over 100 Nazi scientists nd doctors to enter this country with von Braun.and the link to Spandau was evident. Bye there Colleen Your stuff is keeping me awake all night. Twice, I have tried to turn this off, but find it imossible Sorry about the keeping you awake part, but you are correct on the Nazi influence angle. But it did not BEGIN there just got a good leg up. If you look at our past you will see the US at the forefront of Eugenics research, as well as human experimentation much earlier than the Nazi's and one could even argue that the racial philosophy of the Nazi's and all those who came later, while firmly rooted in the idea of "racial purity" and, as such, inherent to all "racial" groups to one extent or another, was firmly built upon the foundation that was laid by the USA. We "made" the Nazi's and merely accepted our "children" into the family after the war was over. Teo1000 PS Keep reading and commenting I like to get feedback from my posts to let me know that SOMEONE reads them :) Thanks It wasn't just the Germans brought in by Operation Paperclip, either. We "acquired the services" of a large number of Japanese scientists and medical personnel who had been conducting their own experiments on human subjects--not, of course, in the Home Islands, but in occupied Korea (Chosen) and Manchuria (Manchukuo). With regard to the US influence on the Nazis, our particular contribution was in the area of legal codes. The first of the notorious Nuremberg Laws, the one which authorized the sterilization of "racial inferiors" and "congenital defectives", was patterned directly after the Model Eugenics Code published by the American Eugenics Association...which had been adopted by 47 out of the 48 states. (The exception was Pennsylvania, and that was only because Governor Gifford Pinchot didn't like the particular version of the sterilization law that the legislature passed. He supported the eugenics movement quite happily otherwise.) Hitler was quite vocal in his admiration of American eugenicists like Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia
-Caveat Lector- an influx of armed sic Serbian refugees fleeing NATO attacks in Kosovo and the rest of Yugoslavia [flooding into Hungary] Refugees, or invaders/infiltrators under the guise of refugee-dom? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Hungary/Yugoslavia
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 4/13/99 7:24:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: an influx of armed sic Serbian refugees fleeing NATO attacks in Kosovo and the rest of Yugoslavia [flooding into Hungary] Refugees, or invaders/infiltrators under the guise of refugee-dom? I was thinking something similar here, in light of the "able bodied men" being among the refugees instead of being hunted down and killed in mass slaughter a la Hitler. MAYBE this is a plan to repopulate or redistribute people in accordance with One World objectives? Maybe the people are going because that IS the goal? Just a thought, call me crazy, but I see conspiracies everywhere. Teo1000 DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
