Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN ...
-Caveat Lector- What do I think? Well I think that's pretty freckin sick. That's like saying if I had a gripe over a piece of turf with my neighbour, I strap some TNT onto my kids back and blow my neighbours kids up so I can get some attention from the Local Council over my alleged 'plight'. The reality of it is that I would be seen as a complete wacko and locked up. Murder is just plain fucking murder and no reason justifies it. To suggest you blow your kids and your neighbours kids up, for the sake of attention and media publicity, is the thinking of psychopaths, not liberators. Dave. - Original Message - From: Daniel Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN ... -Caveat Lector- coul it be that they do this because sacraficing their life not to kill jews for the sake of it but to save their children and childrens children by giving their life to make someone notice their cause in an otherwise media locked down conflict. The jews have brought this on them selves by holding media attention back from them and thus this is the only way then can achieve it (by blowing themselves up). .really i do not believe someone wakes up in the morning and says well i fell like blowing up myself today, more to the effect of if i do this maybe someone somewhere will notice and might do something to help which in turn could possibly end the conflict and save their childrens lives. what are your thoughts on this? On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 9:12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One cannot even begin to imagine what life would be like in such a society. How can the likes of some Palestinians, who have no respect for their own lives, and vicariously through no respect of their children's lives; possibly respect their neighbours lives much less the social welfare of their neighbour. And if they are not maddeningly bombing the Israeli's; they are busy killing one another. First one must imagine what life is like for Palestinians--no education, no security, no jobs, no land, constant harrassment and humiliation--nothing to look forward to except death--so strapping on a bomb and going out with a bang must not seem like such a bad thing to a man who has no prospects in his future. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Regards, Daniel Harrison PABX Advisory Services Pty Ltd Ph : 02-9893-7888 Fax: 02-9893-7788 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list
Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN ...
-Caveat Lector- Thankyou for your opinion, although please dont forget the idea of looking at thing from different perspectives. Besides you obviously dont care it seems you have somewhere to sleep at night already. After long enough in the box it seems you forgot theres a world outside or are you just being ignorant? If so why bother? no-one honestly cares for that. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:50, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- What do I think? Well I think that's pretty freckin sick. That's like saying if I had a gripe over a piece of turf with my neighbour, I strap some TNT onto my kids back and blow my neighbours kids up so I can get some attention from the Local Council over my alleged 'plight'. The reality of it is that I would be seen as a complete wacko and locked up. Murder is just plain fucking murder and no reason justifies it. To suggest you blow your kids and your neighbours kids up, for the sake of attention and media publicity, is the thinking of psychopaths, not liberators. Dave. - Original Message - From: Daniel Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN ... -Caveat Lector- coul it be that they do this because sacraficing their life not to kill jews for the sake of it but to save their children and childrens children by giving their life to make someone notice their cause in an otherwise media locked down conflict. The jews have brought this on them selves by holding media attention back from them and thus this is the only way then can achieve it (by blowing themselves up). .really i do not believe someone wakes up in the morning and says well i fell like blowing up myself today, more to the effect of if i do this maybe someone somewhere will notice and might do something to help which in turn could possibly end the conflict and save their childrens lives. what are your thoughts on this? On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 9:12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One cannot even begin to imagine what life would be like in such a society. How can the likes of some Palestinians, who have no respect for their own lives, and vicariously through no respect of their children's lives; possibly respect their neighbours lives much less the social welfare of their neighbour. And if they are not maddeningly bombing the Israeli's; they are busy killing one another. First one must imagine what life is like for Palestinians--no education, no security, no jobs, no land, constant harrassment and humiliation--nothing to look forward to except death--so strapping on a bomb and going out with a bang must not seem like such a bad thing to a man who has no prospects in his future. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Regards, Daniel Harrison PABX Advisory Services Pty Ltd Ph : 02-9893-7888 Fax: 02-9893-7788 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceâ?not soap-boxingâ?please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'â?with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâ?is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector
Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN (Li...
-Caveat Lector- The social conditions you describe happen to some extent in most countries. Aspects would naturally be intensified in areas of near non-abated violence and conflict. As mostly armchair prognosticators, its not going to make any friggin difference what we say as to what goes on their. Israel has probably the most powerful military and technological capability in the region, I think that if Israel, and its leadership,were as evil as so often portrayed by such articles as the former, they would have applied the military resources to frizzle the Mid-East. They haven't; and to me, this is an indicator of the Israeli's intellectual and moral resolve and character, to find peace through other meansthan total annihilation, which is what some of her critics would like nothing better for her. From where I sit the mad Arabs and the Islamists are the losers. And I don't mean in terms of Israel, but in terms of their own moral actions. Strapping bombs to your kids and having them blow up others kids, is a completely beyond-dickhead mentality; and that dickhead mentality isinstilled into them from youth. One cannot even begin to imagine what life would be like in such a society. How can the likes of some Palestinians, who have no respect for their own lives, and vicariously through no respect of their children's lives; possibly respect their neighbours lives much less the social welfare of their neighbour. And if they are notmaddeningly bombing the Israeli's;they are busy killing one another. The mullahs and clerics must bare vast blame for the violence and the darkness of their societies, and should be exhumed from their society until open, free secular education is allowed to prosper, not barbarous clerical brain-washing and hate. If Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is culpable of delays in the peace process than at least equalculpability, if not vastly more,ought be laid at the feet of Yasser Arafat. But of course, let's not forget that there also external foreign powers involved here, and one must ask, even if sounding cynical, is Middle-East peace the genuine agenda of these foreign interests? Or is it a peace based majorly on foreign interests that is sought? What would a united Democratic Middle-East, sitting atop earths mega-oil reserves, a wealth of human history, religion, archaeology, culture and so on, look like in terms of the world stage,as a united Democratic front? As a consequence of their bitter experiences over the centuries, Jews have stood at the forefront of human rights and civil rights issues across the world. Sure Israel has and will make mistakes, as has America and every otherDemocratic society.But to have the Jews and Israel demonised in it's formative stages, whilst encompassed by terrorists who want nothing more than Israel's complete destruction, is a myopia that rivals Dr Goebbels. Dave. - Original Message - From: Prudy L To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN "(Li... -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/5/2003 2:51:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hence, one would imagine that any State that has received a fair amount of favourable US attention and is consistently in the headlines as a potent US ally, could be anything but disliked in parts of Europe. Furthermore,there is the fact that Europe is the historic homeland of the Jewish-killing Nazis,the Inquisition, Roman Catholic and Russian Orthodox anti-Semitism; its hardly surprising that Israel would ever come up trumps in any Euro-pop contest. I'm glad you think of Israel as an ally of the United States, but that just doesn't wash with me. There isn't even any reason why Israel should be. Israel is her own country and has obligations to no one. That Israel is a country which behaves abominably to its native peoples whofrequentlyhappen to be Moslems and occasionally Christian is a sad fact. It has parallels with the old South in that even Israel's Jews who are sympathetic to Moslems can be persecuted. To lay the blame for the behavior of Israel's Jews on the fact that they are Jewsis a mistake. Sharon may be a man of peace in George Bush's eyes, but he is not. Does he do what he does because of his faith or even faith in God? Of course not. He is a master politician "in charge." He has power and wants more. Israel has land and wants more. And for some reason, Israel (with or without Sharon) does not want to share governance with anyone who is not a Jew. And now it seems that anti-Semitism is rearing its ugly head. So easy for others to blame someone's faith for actions that have no connection with that faith. European nations suffering economic problems look at a world in which
Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 9:12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One cannot even begin to imagine what life would be like in such a society. How can the likes of some Palestinians, who have no respect for their own lives, and vicariously through no respect of their children's lives; possibly respect their neighbours lives much less the social welfare of their neighbour. And if they are notmaddeningly bombing the Israeli's;they are busy killing one another. First one must imagine what life is like for Palestinians--no education, no security, no jobs, no land, constant harrassment and humiliation--nothing to look forward to except death--so strapping on a bomb and going out with a bang must not seem like such a bad thing to a man who has no prospectsin his future. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN ...
-Caveat Lector- coul it be that they do this because sacraficing their life not to kill jews for the sake of it but to save their children and childrens children by giving their life to make someone notice their cause in an otherwise media locked down conflict. The jews have brought this on them selves by holding media attention back from them and thus this is the only way then can achieve it (by blowing themselves up). .really i do not believe someone wakes up in the morning and says well i fell like blowing up myself today, more to the effect of if i do this maybe someone somewhere will notice and might do something to help which in turn could possibly end the conflict and save their childrens lives. what are your thoughts on this? On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 14:32, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/6/2003 9:12:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One cannot even begin to imagine what life would be like in such a society. How can the likes of some Palestinians, who have no respect for their own lives, and vicariously through no respect of their children's lives; possibly respect their neighbours lives much less the social welfare of their neighbour. And if they are not maddeningly bombing the Israeli's; they are busy killing one another. First one must imagine what life is like for Palestinians--no education, no security, no jobs, no land, constant harrassment and humiliation--nothing to look forward to except death--so strapping on a bomb and going out with a bang must not seem like such a bad thing to a man who has no prospects in his future. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om -- Regards, Daniel Harrison PABX Advisory Services Pty Ltd Ph : 02-9893-7888 Fax: 02-9893-7788 www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Icy gust cools Israel's relations with EU - from an ICY QUEEN (Li...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/5/2003 2:51:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hence, one would imagine that any State that has received a fair amount of favourable US attention and is consistently in the headlines as a potent US ally, could be anything but disliked in parts of Europe. Furthermore,there is the fact that Europe is the historic homeland of the Jewish-killing Nazis,the Inquisition, Roman Catholic and Russian Orthodox anti-Semitism; its hardly surprising that Israel would ever come up trumps in any Euro-pop contest. I'm glad you think of Israel as an ally of the United States, but that just doesn't wash with me. There isn't even any reason why Israel should be. Israel is her own country and has obligations to no one. That Israel is a country which behaves abominably to its native peoples whofrequentlyhappen to be Moslems and occasionally Christian is a sad fact. It has parallels with the old South in that even Israel's Jews who are sympathetic to Moslems can be persecuted. To lay the blame for the behavior of Israel's Jews on the fact that they are Jewsis a mistake. Sharon may be a man of peace in George Bush's eyes, but he is not. Does he do what he does because of his faith or even faith in God? Of course not. He is a master politician "in charge." He has power and wants more. Israel has land and wants more. And for some reason, Israel (with or without Sharon) does not want to share governance with anyone who is not a Jew. And now it seems that anti-Semitism is rearing its ugly head. So easy for others to blame someone's faith for actions that have no connection with that faith. European nations suffering economic problems look at a world in which every nation can be castigated except Israel. The United States is showering favor on Israel who can defy United Nations' resolutions without receiving even a frown from the country that declared Iraq a terrorist nation for defying UN resolutions and along with some mystical WMD used that as an excuse to attack. Of course,people inEurope read all the papers, frequently in more than one language. They watch very closely the behavior of Sharon and Bush and everybody else as well. When they read Sharon's enemy list and watch our foreign policy, when they note that they are being insulted by a powerful man whose close advisors are Jews, when they are expected to treat their citizens (of every denomination) fairlyno matter what problems arise and Israel has a free pass on that matter, then the climate for anti-Semitism is perfect. Before Sharon and his ungodly policies, Israel was admired and respected. Everyone knew there were problems, but it seemed that they could be worked out. Now much of Europe is watching as Israel does what the Nazis did; they're just doing it to a different group of people. Europe received disdain for years for allowing Hitler and his minions tocommit theirdisgusting acts without trying to stop them. It was the United States in particular who told themthat their behavior was vile and must never be condoned again in any place. Yet Israel .?And NO, what is happening anywhere in which people are persecuted for being Jews or any other faith is NOT acceptable. The world (including Israel) should take a long, hard look at whatis happening to its ideals. Prudy www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
