Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-11 Thread Tenorlove

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--- Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

a good rat's ass

I had no idea this existed! How do you fix them, and what do you serve
with them?

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-10 Thread Damian B. Cooper

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 At 08:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Read some history.  Then read some more history.

 Gee.  I would love to.  But all the relevant stuff is suppressed
 or censored.

Of course.  It's all a Conspiracy.  And all the information that you
*think* you know about The Conspiracy is controlled by The Conspiracy,
was fed to you so that you'd think the way you do; thus you're a pawn
of The Conspiracy, the same as all the rest of us.

- - - snip - - -

Duh?  This IS a 'Conspiracy Theory Research LIst', isn't it?

Are suggesting that Conspiracy Theories are off topic?


DBC

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-10 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 At 10:55 AM 7/9/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  At 08:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Read some history.  Then read some more history.
 
  Gee.  I would love to.  But all the relevant stuff is suppressed
  or censored.
 
 Of course.  It's all a Conspiracy.  And all the information that you
 *think* you know about The Conspiracy is controlled by The Conspiracy,
 was fed to you so that you'd think the way you do; thus you're a pawn
 of The Conspiracy, the same as all the rest of us.

 Duh?  This IS a 'Conspiracy Theory Research LIst', isn't it?
 Are suggesting that Conspiracy Theories are off topic?

Not at all - it's just that conspiracy theories [and religions] suffer
from a basic paradox.  If we assume that powerful conspiracies exist,
then intellectual honesty demands that we admit that we may have been
manipulated into thinking as we do about said conspiracies.  Belief in
conspiracies removes the possibility of certainty - if plotters COULD
control your data, then it could ALL be lies.

But we're drifting off-base here.  The discussion was: did Jews deserve
the Holocaust because they're mostly pro-Communist/secular?  I asked
for statistics to support such a claim, and I pointed out that strong
right-wing Jewish groups did and do exist.  But how do we count leftist
and rightist Jews?  Do we count all the Jews slaughtered by Nazis as
left-wing, all those slaughtered by Stalinists as right-wing, or is
that enumeration too absurd?  Try this: in any population, there are
minorities strongly polarized on political/social/religious/economic
issues, and majorities who don't give a good rat's ass.

I suggesting reading history, to your disdain, because I was too lazy
to expound on my point that people from a wide variety of ethnic and
religious backgrounds support left- and right-wing movements.  Well,
here goes.  Catholicism encompasses both the staunchly conservative/
reactionary Vatican power structure, and tending-to-Marxism Liberation
Theology activists.  Protestantism has left- and right-wing factions -
read the output of theologians from various seminaries - as does Islam,
Hinduism, almost any religious group.  And 'races' don't clump into any
ideological camps - look at any ethnic group, and you'll find a wide
range of doctrines.  Jews range all over the map: Marxists, JDL, pro-
and anti-Zionists, peasant farmers with no political inclinations, the
whole schmeer.  Ditto for Chinese, Native Americans, everybody.

BTW when I pronounce on topicality, I sign that pronouncement: "Ric
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stated NOTICE or WARNING, I'm just another dewd expressing my views.

  Ric "if name calling of Jews is jew-baiting, and name calling
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  Aryans [the master race] master-baiting?" Carter, curious...

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-09 Thread Damian B. Cooper

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Read some history.  Then read some more history.



Gee.  I would love to.  But all the relevant stuff is suppressed or censored.

DBC

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-09 Thread nessie

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all the relevant stuff is suppressed or censored.


If it's suppressed or censored you haven't read it. If you haven't read
it, how do you know it's relevant?

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-09 Thread Ric Carter

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 all the relevant stuff is suppressed or censored.

 If it's suppressed or censored you haven't read it.
 If you haven't read it, how do you know it's relevant?

The same ways that politicos, preachers and pundits know to
denounce films they haven't seen, books they haven't read,
games they haven't played, experiences they haven't had:
imagination; channeling; divine messages; mind-control rays.
Whenever anyone 'knows' such crypto-material, they've been
affected by such processes.  Ain't remote viewing wonderful?

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-09 Thread Ric Carter

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 At 08:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Read some history.  Then read some more history.

 Gee.  I would love to.  But all the relevant stuff is suppressed
 or censored.

Of course.  It's all a Conspiracy.  And all the information that you
*think* you know about The Conspiracy is controlled by The Conspiracy,
was fed to you so that you'd think the way you do; thus you're a pawn
of The Conspiracy, the same as all the rest of us.  Whatever really
happened, is happening, will happen, is totally unknowable to us.
Everything you know is a lie.  Everything.  Accept that, and you'll
begin to understand your place in the Order Of Things.

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-08 Thread Ric Carter

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  The Church and Jewish Ideology
  JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN
  (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4)

  snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism,
  liberalism, and secularism; snip

Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds,
brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems
have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism"
too.  By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted.

But many Jews also have ardently OPPOSED "Communism, socialism,
liberalism, and secularism".  So, are a people deserving of
persecution because SOME support ideas one doesn't like?

"Some Methodists are Commies - so kill'em all.  Some Lutherans 
Catholics were Nazis - fry the fuckers.  Some Negroes vote GOP -
drown the traitors.  Everybody is different from me - y'all die."
That's where that logic leads - to mass murder.

IMHO Sobran is issuing a thinly-veiled call for genocide.  This
sucks.  This is Nazi propaganda, hate-mail, incitement to riot.
Bill, you're right on the edge.  More of this won't be tolerated
here at CTRL.  Consider yourself warned.

  Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-08 Thread Bill Kingsbury

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At 02:55 PM 7-8-1999 -0700, you wrote:
  snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism,
  liberalism, and secularism; snip

 Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds,
 brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems
 have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism"
 too.  By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted.


Not at all.  That's -entirely- your own paranoid and
out-of-context invention -- hyperbole and mega-revision
of precisely what the author -was- saying


snip inflamatory rant

IMHO Sobran is issuing a thinly-veiled call for genocide.  This
sucks.  This is Nazi propaganda, hate-mail, incitement to riot.
Bill, you're right on the edge.  More of this won't be tolerated
here at CTRL.  Consider yourself warned.

  Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL


Your fear pattern is noted.

Perhaps you took the following in the -exact opposite-
spirit from which the author intended, when he wrote :

"Judaism and Christianity are radically opposed over the
most important thing of all: Jesus Christ, who commands
us to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, and
to love our enemies, which does not mean mistaking them
for friends."

...the author specified:
"harmless as doves" and "love your enemies."

Is that a call to genocide ?

Just the opposite.

Christian charity is more like it.

How does any of this justify censorship of important
historical dynamics that do affect Conspiracy Theories,
as they exist in the (pre-censored) real world ?

Would you have complained at all -- if I'd posted
an article listing how pope Pius XII -and Catholics-
were responsible for the (non-Marxist) Holocaust ?

Are you afraid the other side of the story may see
the light of day ?


Please relax.


BK




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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-08 Thread Damian B. Cooper

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At 02:55 PM 7/8/99 -0700, Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL wrote:
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  The Church and Jewish Ideology
  JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN
  (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4)

  snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism,
  liberalism, and secularism; snip

Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds,
brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems
have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism"
too.  By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted.


Oh, baloney.  This is just PC "multi-cultural" claptrap.

But many Jews also have ardently OPPOSED "Communism, socialism,
liberalism, and secularism".

A MINORITY of Jews have OPPOSED "Communism, etc.". Does
a minority of Jews equal "many" in your calculus?

 So, are a people deserving of
persecution because SOME support ideas one doesn't like?


Are you referring to Christians?  No.  I don't think Christians
should be persecuted because SOME support ideas you don't like


"Some Methodists are Commies - so kill'em all.

No.  No Methodists are Commies.  No need to kill Methodists.

Some Lutherans 
Catholics were Nazis - fry the fuckers.

Which the U.S. and the Allies gleefully did.  Preceded, of course by lots of
raping and other atrocities.  Your narrow little mind may not be aware
that 6 to 10 million German CIVILIANS (overwhelminly Catholic and Lutheran)
died AFTER WW II while under  Allied control.  Also, German military personnel
were denied POW status and the protections of the Geneva Convention after
WW II.  They were classified as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" and shipped off
to die in the Soviet Gulags by the millions.

 Some Negroes vote GOP -
drown the traitors.

No need to drown them.  Just cement 'em into a hopeless, dehumanizing,
corrupt welfare system.

Everybody is different from me - y'all die."

I presume that in your world, anyone different from you is either a "racist"
or an "enemy of the people", and Yes, you WOULD like to see them all
die.

That's where that logic leads - to mass murder.


You mean like the Bolshevik Revolution, the Leninist starvation of
millions of Ukrainians, the Morganthau Plan, the Chinese
Cultural Revolution, the Cambodian Holocaust,  the Ruwanda
Genocide of two million Christians ...


IMHO Sobran is issuing a thinly-veiled call for genocide.  This
sucks.  This is Nazi propaganda, hate-mail, incitement to riot.

IMHO, you wrong. I'm not incited to riot.

Bill, you're right on the edge.  More of this won't be tolerated
here at CTRL.

You're right!  I think you should strive to be more intolerant, if that's
possible.

Consider yourself warned.


I consider myself amused.

  Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL

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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-08 Thread nessie

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"Some Methodists are Commies - so kill'em all.  Some Lutherans 
Catholics were Nazis - fry the fuckers.  Some Negroes vote GOP - drown the
traitors.  Everybody is different from me - y'all die." That's where that
logic leads - to mass murder.

**
You've got to be taught to hate and fear.
You've got to be taught from year to year.
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear.
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade.
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late
Before you are six, or seven or eight
To hate all the people your relative hate.
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be carefully taught.


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Re: [CTRL] The Church and Jewish Ideology -Sobran

1999-07-08 Thread Ric Carter

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- Original Message -
From: Damian B. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ric Carter, co-moderator, CTRL wrote:
 From: Bill Kingsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   The Church and Jewish Ideology
   JOE SOBRAN'S COLUMN
   (Reprinted from SOBRAN'S, May 1999, page 4)
 
   snip Jews have generally supported Communism, socialism,
   liberalism, and secularism; snip
 
 Methodists, Buddhists, Catholics, Baha'is; whites, blacks, reds,
 brown; people from a wide range of ethnicities and belief systems
 have "supported Communism, socialism, liberalism, and secularism"
 too.  By the logic of this writer, ALL deserve being persecuted.

 Oh, baloney.  This is just PC "multi-cultural" claptrap.

Read some history.  Then read some more history.

 But many Jews also have ardently OPPOSED "Communism, socialism,
 liberalism, and secularism".

 A MINORITY of Jews have OPPOSED "Communism, etc.". Does
 a minority of Jews equal "many" in your calculus?

You are absolutely incorrect.  On the right: Cohn, Schirer, and other
pit-bulls of Mcarthyism; the Hollywood Establishment who backed the
McCarthyite post-WW2 Red Scare - no pro-Communists there.  And: Israeli
ultra-Orthodox fanatics, the Settlement movement, and the right-wing
western Jews who support them - no secularists there.  You think more
Jews were/are pro- than anti-Communist.etc?  Cite some figures.  C'mon,
if you've got facts on hand, not just suppositions, whip'em out, eh?
But I suggest that you look around the Web at all the right-wing Jewish
sites, then come back here and apologize.

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