Re: [ctwm] Strange effect when upgrading NetBSD and X
On Wed 13 May 2009 at 21:10:53 +0200, Rhialto wrote: And indeed, that fixed it! Really weird. I want to try to find which option makes the difference... but I don't have time for that now :-( Returning to my previous problem: it is indeed the backing store option that causes the problem. To be precise: Section Device # Backingstore causes ctwm to misbehave; it looks mostly like it is # expecting backing store to work when it doesn't. Various things # are not re-painted on exposure. # The option isn't documented in Xorg(1) or savage(1), but it is # recognised by the server, judged by this but in Xorg.log: # (**) SAVAGE(0): Option BackingStore # (**) SAVAGE(0): Backing store enabled #Option Backingstore Identifier Card0 Driver savage VendorName S3 Inc. BoardName VT8636A [ProSavage KN133] AGP4X VGA Controller (TwisterK) BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Today I updated my main machine, and I saw the same problem. The solution was also the same. Finally I tried putting in the Backingstore option, and the problem reappeared. Some googling suggests that it is a sort-of-known problem: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=125433 KDE4 crashes : Option BackingStore must be false with Xorg 1.5 Hi, For people experiencing crashes in KDE4 (e.g. clicking on a konsole menu), check in your xorg.conf file your options. If you have: Option BackingStore true then this option is known to lead to crashes with Xorg 1.5. Put it to false, it solved the crashes for me. Shoddy linux-quality programming. Backing store is supposed to work! -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert-- You author it, and I'll reader it. \X/ rhialto/at/xs4all.nl -- Cetero censeo authored delendum esse.
Re: [ctwm] Strange effect when upgrading NetBSD and X
I run Debian [unstable] on my laptop, and switched to X.org a long time ago. Running 1.6.1 for the moment. I have seen no changes in ctwm's behavior, at least when it comes to the 3D effects (I think the only things I noticed were some distinct font changes ;-)). Is your ctwm compiled by you, or is it a package that comes with NetBSD? Could it be that there's been some configuration changes somewhere that went unnoticed? In message 20090512202328.ge...@falu.nl on Tue, 12 May 2009 22:23:28 +0200, Rhialto rhia...@falu.nl said: rhialto I have updated my laptop from NetBSD 4.0 to 5.0, which also means X has rhialto changed from XFree86 4.5.0 to X.org 1.4.2. rhialto rhialto Now my WorkSpaceManager window and the pop-up menus look incorrect. rhialto rhialto The pop-up menus are missing their 3D highlighting lines around the rhialto sides. rhialto rhialto The WorkSpaceManager seems to get no expose (redraw) events. The little rhialto window titles and the 3D highlighting lines along the sides of the rhialto little windows disappear if you put something on top. I can force a rhialto redraw by selecting things inside, or simpler, switching to button rhialto view and back (pressing and releasing Control inside the rhialto WorkSpaceManager window). rhialto rhialto http://www.falu.nl/~rhialto/ctwm-xorg/win1.png shows what it looks like, rhialto and rhialto http://www.falu.nl/~rhialto/ctwm-xorg/win2.png shows the difference on rhialto my un-updated machine. rhialto rhialto Has anyone seen anything like this?
Re: [ctwm] Strange effect when upgrading NetBSD and X
On Wed 13 May 2009 at 08:06:10 +0200, Richard Levitte wrote: I run Debian [unstable] on my laptop, and switched to X.org a long time ago. Running 1.6.1 for the moment. I have seen no changes in ctwm's behavior, at least when it comes to the 3D effects (I think the only things I noticed were some distinct font changes ;-)). Is your ctwm compiled by you, or is it a package that comes with NetBSD? Could it be that there's been some configuration changes somewhere that went unnoticed? It is a ctwm compiled by myself. First I used my old binary, but nothing changed when I recompiled with X11R7 libraries. Using the NetBSD package should not be much different (except that it is not newer than 3.8a) because I made it myself :-) With X.org I even use the same XF86Config file as before (I changed some path names from /usr/X11R6 to /usr/X11R7 but that was all). At some point in the past, I must have specified a non-standard location for it, and apparently that is still used; but I forgot where exactly I specified that :-) Maybe I should try to have X.org generate its own config file and see if it makes a difference. Unfortunately I don't have much time to debug in the next 2 weeks, but I know I can make ctwm log lots of event-related debug info, so it should be possible to find out if it actually receives the Expose events or not. (I did find out in the past that it is better to display those messages on another display than the one that ctwm is managing!) -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert-- You author it, and I'll reader it. \X/ rhialto/at/xs4all.nl -- Cetero censeo authored delendum esse.
[ctwm] Strange effect when upgrading NetBSD and X
I have updated my laptop from NetBSD 4.0 to 5.0, which also means X has changed from XFree86 4.5.0 to X.org 1.4.2. Now my WorkSpaceManager window and the pop-up menus look incorrect. The pop-up menus are missing their 3D highlighting lines around the sides. The WorkSpaceManager seems to get no expose (redraw) events. The little window titles and the 3D highlighting lines along the sides of the little windows disappear if you put something on top. I can force a redraw by selecting things inside, or simpler, switching to button view and back (pressing and releasing Control inside the WorkSpaceManager window). http://www.falu.nl/~rhialto/ctwm-xorg/win1.png shows what it looks like, and http://www.falu.nl/~rhialto/ctwm-xorg/win2.png shows the difference on my un-updated machine. Has anyone seen anything like this? -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert-- You author it, and I'll reader it. \X/ rhialto/at/xs4all.nl -- Cetero censeo authored delendum esse.
