Re: invoke vbscript from cygwin?

[Dave Burns]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Brian Dessent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dave Burns wrote:
>
>  > Yes, that worked splendidly. Should I have known about these
>  > executables? Are they the regular interpreters for vbscripts?  I know
>  > little about cygwin and nothing about vbscript, and I did not see
>  > these mentioned in the documentation.
>
>  The Cygwin documentation?  Why would they be there?

That's my point. Previous poster seemed to think it should be obvious,
but I was just skimming the cygwin docs, which have no reason to
mention them.

>  The Windows Script Host is
>  documented by MS on MSDN though:
>  

What's that? If we'd never had this conversation, I'd never have
followed that link as a clue to solve this problem.

>  > Maybe I was too hasty, but I
>  > didn't even see "Here's how you invoke a regular windows .exe from
>  > within cygwin". I'm sorry for mystifying you - someone handed me an
>
>  There's no fundamental difference between running a Cygwin command and a
>  non-Cygwin command from a shell prompt, in the end it's just an .exe
>  either way: you type its name and the shell runs it if it can find it in
>  the PATH.


This is useful to know. It seems non-obvious to me, as a newbie-ish
user of cygwin. Maybe I was just having brain-hiccup. Not clear where
to put it in the docs, if someone wanted to make it more obvious.
Maybe it is obvious enough already.

Short review - to run a script from cygwin, find the exe that is the
interpreter of the script (in the case of vb script, cscript.exe or
wscript.exe) and invoke the interpreter with the script as an
argument.

Thanks all,

Dave

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Re: Cygwin installation a permissions of /home...

[Tim Prince]

Angelo Graziosi wrote:
I have noticed that after installing Cygwin, /home has the following 
permissions:


drwxrwxrwx+  4 Administrator   Administrators 0 Mar 18 17:52 home

and in /home

drwxrwxrwx+  Administrator Administrators  0 Mar 18 22:49 Administrator
drwxrwxrwx+  pippo Users   0 Mar 19 23:51 pippo

Should all these dirs have all these perms (drwxrwxrwx)?

On GNU/Linux Kubuntu 7.10:

drwxr-xr-x root root   0 Mar 18 17:52 home
drwxr-xr-x pippo pippo 0 Mar 18 17:52 home/pippo

cygwin doesn't over-ride Windows.  Windows has very different default 
permissions, compared to linux.

Did you try this with various Windows memberships for pippo?

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Cygwin installation a permissions of /home...

[Angelo Graziosi]

I have noticed that after installing Cygwin, /home has the following 
permissions:


drwxrwxrwx+  4 Administrator   Administrators 0 Mar 18 17:52 home

and in /home

drwxrwxrwx+  Administrator Administrators  0 Mar 18 22:49 Administrator
drwxrwxrwx+  pippo Users   0 Mar 19 23:51 pippo

Should all these dirs have all these perms (drwxrwxrwx)?

On GNU/Linux Kubuntu 7.10:

drwxr-xr-x root root   0 Mar 18 17:52 home
drwxr-xr-x pippo pippo 0 Mar 18 17:52 home/pippo


Thanks,
   Angelo.

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Re: invoke vbscript from cygwin?

[Brian Dessent]

Dave Burns wrote:

> Yes, that worked splendidly. Should I have known about these
> executables? Are they the regular interpreters for vbscripts?  I know
> little about cygwin and nothing about vbscript, and I did not see
> these mentioned in the documentation.

The Cygwin documentation?  Why would they be there?  We can't document
every possible non-Cygwin application that someone might want to use,
that would take gigabytes of space.  The Windows Script Host is
documented by MS on MSDN though:


> Maybe I was too hasty, but I
> didn't even see "Here's how you invoke a regular windows .exe from
> within cygwin". I'm sorry for mystifying you - someone handed me an

There's no fundamental difference between running a Cygwin command and a
non-Cygwin command from a shell prompt, in the end it's just an .exe
either way: you type its name and the shell runs it if it can find it in
the PATH. 

Brian

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Outdated Link to Texas Mirror (What sourcemaster?)

[Jesdisciple]

I just clicked on the link to the only mirror listed for Texas at
http://www.cygwin.com/mirrors.html and got a fake website.  The obfuscated
URL (to avoid bestowing PageRank or similar ratings on it) is mirrors [dot]
wikifusion [dot] info/cygwin/  Please remove this link!

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will send it to me I will be glad to use it.)
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Re: invoke vbscript from cygwin?

[Dave Burns]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:49 PM, James Abley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 19/03/2008, Dave Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > How would one invoke a vbscript from cygwin, if it is possible? I
>  >  guess invoking cygwin from a vbscript would also do the trick, though
>  >  I'd rather not have to fiddle with the vbscript at all.
>  >
>  >  I tried googling and looking at cygwin docs, but couldn't find
>  >  anything. Thanks in advance for any clues.
>  >
>  >  Dave
>  >
>
>  I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but is there any reason
>  why you can't use cscript.exe or wscript.exe to run your .vbs scripts?
>  If they're on your PATH, it should work.

Yes, that worked splendidly. Should I have known about these
executables? Are they the regular interpreters for vbscripts?  I know
little about cygwin and nothing about vbscript, and I did not see
these mentioned in the documentation. Maybe I was too hasty, but I
didn't even see "Here's how you invoke a regular windows .exe from
within cygwin". I'm sorry for mystifying you - someone handed me an
existing vbscript that does 90% of what I want, I just need to pipe
the output into ssh to send it to another machine to be parsed and
processed. I could pay a licensing fee and get a proprietary VBS
component that does ssh and modify the vbscript to do just what I
want, but why go to all that trouble?

Thanks for big help!
Dave

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Re: invoke vbscript from cygwin?

[Brian Dessent]

Dave Burns wrote:

> How would one invoke a vbscript from cygwin, if it is possible? I
> guess invoking cygwin from a vbscript would also do the trick, though
> I'd rather not have to fiddle with the vbscript at all.

You invoke it the same way you would from a Windows command prompt, i.e.
cscript.exe or wscript.exe.

$ echo 'MsgBox ("Hello World!")' > foo.vbs

$ cscript //nologo foo.vbs

As far as "invoking Cygwin from a vbscript", that is too vague.  Cygwin
is not an abstract entity, it's a bunch of programs.  If you want to
invoke one of them it's no different than invoking any other program --
you have a command and some arguments and you run it.  If you want to
run more than a simple command you probably need to involve the shell
with -c, e.g. 

$ cat 

Re: invoke vbscript from cygwin?

[James Abley]

On 19/03/2008, Dave Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How would one invoke a vbscript from cygwin, if it is possible? I
>  guess invoking cygwin from a vbscript would also do the trick, though
>  I'd rather not have to fiddle with the vbscript at all.
>
>  I tried googling and looking at cygwin docs, but couldn't find
>  anything. Thanks in advance for any clues.
>
>  Dave
>

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish, but is there any reason
why you can't use cscript.exe or wscript.exe to run your .vbs scripts?
If they're on your PATH, it should work.

Cheers,

James

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invoke vbscript from cygwin?

[Dave Burns]

How would one invoke a vbscript from cygwin, if it is possible? I
guess invoking cygwin from a vbscript would also do the trick, though
I'd rather not have to fiddle with the vbscript at all.

I tried googling and looking at cygwin docs, but couldn't find
anything. Thanks in advance for any clues.

Dave

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1.5.25-11: Process not exiting fully on Win2k3 server

[Popper, Samuel (US SSA)]

I'm continuing to debug the problem I reported earlier [1], where some
executables called from within shell scripts don't fully terminate.
This happens fairly often while sourcing the default /etc/profile, but
not always, and not always in the same place.  When this happens, if I
use windows tools to look at the processes running, I see that the
WinPID process has exited, but that the PID (bash.exe) process has not.
The process is reported in ps, but is not killable (since kill doesn't
think that it exists).  The entries exist in /proc//, but are not
usable.  (/proc//{cwd,root} point to , cat
/proc//status gives a newline character, etc.)

I believe that I've isolated approximately where in the code this seems
to go wrong.  For the purposes of this example, a /bin/bash instance
with PID 3436 spawned another /bin/bash with PID 6036 which spawned
/bin/echo with PID 1932.  This shows up in ps as follows:

$ ps
  PIDPPIDPGID WINPID  TTY  UIDSTIME COMMAND
 603634363436   1932  con  500   Mar 18 /usr/bin/echo

Looking through strace output, echo finishes its processing:
...
16:45:02 [main] echo 6036 pinfo::exit: Calling ExitProcess n 0x0,
exitcode 0x0
...
16:45:02 [main] echo 6036 pinfo::exit: Calling ExitProcess n 0x0,
exitcode 0x0
...

Later in the strace log, the parent bash process considers whether or
not to clean up the process:
16:45:02 [sig] bash 3436 checkstate: nprocs 2
16:45:02 [sig] bash 3436 stopped_or_terminated: considering pid 6036
16:45:02 [sig] bash 3436 stopped_or_terminated: considering pid 5652
16:45:02 [sig] bash 3436 remove_proc: removing procs[1], pid 5652,
nprocs 2
16:45:02 [main] bash 3436 wait4: 0 = WaitForSingleObject (...)
16:45:02 [main] bash 3436 wait4: intpid -1, status 0x23BAA8, w->status
0, options 0, res 5652
16:45:02 [sig] bash 3436 checkstate: returning 1

And again:

16:45:02 [main] bash 3436 checkstate: nprocs 1
16:45:02 [main] bash 3436 stopped_or_terminated: considering pid 6036
16:45:02 [main] bash 3436 checkstate: no matching terminated children
found
16:45:02 [main] bash 3436 checkstate: returning -1

Looking in sigproc.cc, I believe that it passes the first few
conditions, since PID 3436 is greater than 0, and is different from the
child PID of 6036.  Given that remove_proc was never called for 6036,
stopped_or_terminated must have returned 0.  That means that one of the
following conditions must be true:

  if (!((terminated = (child->process_state == PID_EXITED)) ||
  ((w->options & WUNTRACED) && child->stopsig)))
return 0;

Attempts to attach gdb to any of the processes 1932, 6036, or 3436 were
all unsuccessful, and pstack does not appear to exist in cygwin.  (And
even if it did, I'd be surprised if it could attach to a process to
which gdb could not.)  Since there are other users on this machine who
rely on cygwin to do their work, I'd really rather not recompile the dll
to add in more debugging output to determine what is going on here.

Could anyone with better knowledge of the source guess at the problem?
Is there some other method I could use to get that information out of
the released binaries?  Any other suggestions of workarounds or
alternate approaches?

Thanks in advance for any help!

[1] http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-03/msg00322.html

-Sam 



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Outdated Link to "Texas" Mirror (What sourcemaster?)

[Jesdisciple]

I just clicked on the link to the only mirror listed for Texas at
http://www.cygwin.com/mirrors.html and got a fake website.  The obfuscated
URL (to avoid bestowing PageRank or similar ratings on it) is mirrors [dot]
wikifusion [dot] info/cygwin/  Please remove this link!

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RE: Update apparently not current

[Bruce Dobrin]

No,  nothing like that.  And the package that was downloaded by the
setup installer was wrong:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/c/temp/cyg1.5.25/http%3a%2f%2fsources-redhat.mirror.redwire
.net%2fcygwin/release/cygwin> ls
cygwin-1.5.25-7.tar.bz2

So  I guess I'll just try it again from a different download point,
perhaps my web cache isn't flushing correctly,  though I find it hard to
believe that that old a version would still be there.  

I have had a recent issue with my facility 1.5.25-7 remote/auto
installer failing  on the shell script portion because of an improper
version of cygwin1.dll.  This problem is solved if I rename cygwin1.dll
to something else and then rename it back to cygwin1.dll.  I'm also
hoping that that is fixed in the new build.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dave Korn
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 11:26 AM
To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: RE: Update apparently not current

Bruce Dobrin wrote on 19 March 2008 18:16:

> Hi,
> I just tried to update from 1.5.25-7 to 1.5.25-11 using the installer 
> pointed at http\\:mirrors.kernel.org and although it did upgrade some 
> things (  at least it copied and over-wrote stuff),  I still ended up 
> with the 1.5.25-7 cygwin1.dll (which is what setup downloaded).


  Did you by any chance ignore a warning message explaining that the DLL
was still in-use and would not be replaced until you next reboot?
That's the most common cause of this sort of mysterious situation.



/artimi $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin/setup.ini
--18:25:01--  http://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin/setup.ini
   => `setup.ini'
Resolving mirrors.kernel.org... 204.152.191.39, 204.152.191.7 Connecting
to mirrors.kernel.org|204.152.191.39|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 747,581 (730K) [text/plain]

100%[>] 747,581  272.08K/s

18:25:06 (271.30 KB/s) - `setup.ini' saved [747581/747581]

/artimi $ grep -A7 '@ cygwin$' setup.ini @ cygwin
sdesc: "The UNIX emulation engine"
category: Base
requires: base-passwd _update-info-dir
version: 1.5.25-11
install: release/cygwin/cygwin-1.5.25-11.tar.bz2 1427217
e1f969931a1e18855716f2c57c3a876a


  Looks like the mirror's up-to-date to me.


cheers,
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Re: DLL into .a (Metis problem)

[Tatsuro MATSUOKA]

Hello

I have an experience to build the Metis from source on cygwin.
It is not so tough work so that you can get everything if you build the METIS 
libraries by yourself. 

However, the Metis license is NOT compatible to GPL.
Therefore, the octave community have decided not to use the Metis to construct 
suitesparse libraries. 

So you should be careful to treat the license problem with the Metis.  
Please see.
http://www.nabble.com/Metis-tf4636937.html#a13242937

Regards

Tatsuro

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> Is there a tool to convert a DLL (which has no API Windows calls) into a 
> lib.a or lib.la ?
> If not, then say that I have a lib file named libmetis.a
> To make the executable I  would add the following
> "-L$HOME/ -lmetis"
> If I have WinMetis.dll, would there be an equivalent command?
> 
> Regards,
> Paulo Mota
> 
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Re: Strange pthread_atfork() behavior

[Alon Bar-Lev]

Thank you for quick response!
Waiting for a release.

On 3/19/08, Corinna Vinschen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mar 19 08:46, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
>  > Hello,
>  >
>  > Can anyone test this and see if it behaves differently?
>
>
> http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-03/msg00436.html
>
>  I forgot to CC you, sorry.
>
>
>  Corinna
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RE: Update apparently not current

[Dave Korn]

Bruce Dobrin wrote on 19 March 2008 18:16:

> Hi,
> I just tried to update from 1.5.25-7 to 1.5.25-11 using the installer
> pointed at http\\:mirrors.kernel.org and although it did upgrade some
> things (  at least it copied and over-wrote stuff),  I still ended up
> with the 1.5.25-7 cygwin1.dll (which is what setup downloaded).


  Did you by any chance ignore a warning message explaining that the DLL was
still in-use and would not be replaced until you next reboot?  That's the
most common cause of this sort of mysterious situation.



/artimi $ wget http://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin/setup.ini
--18:25:01--  http://mirrors.kernel.org/sourceware/cygwin/setup.ini
   => `setup.ini'
Resolving mirrors.kernel.org... 204.152.191.39, 204.152.191.7
Connecting to mirrors.kernel.org|204.152.191.39|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 747,581 (730K) [text/plain]

100%[>] 747,581  272.08K/s

18:25:06 (271.30 KB/s) - `setup.ini' saved [747581/747581]

/artimi $ grep -A7 '@ cygwin$' setup.ini
@ cygwin
sdesc: "The UNIX emulation engine"
category: Base
requires: base-passwd _update-info-dir
version: 1.5.25-11
install: release/cygwin/cygwin-1.5.25-11.tar.bz2 1427217
e1f969931a1e18855716f2c57c3a876a


  Looks like the mirror's up-to-date to me.


cheers,
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Update apparently not current

[Bruce Dobrin]

Hi,  
I just tried to update from 1.5.25-7 to 1.5.25-11 using the installer
pointed at http\\:mirrors.kernel.org and although it did upgrade some
things (  at least it copied and over-wrote stuff),  I still ended up
with the 1.5.25-7 cygwin1.dll (which is what setup downloaded).  I'm
trying to solve some of the issues I'm having on Vista with X, mplayer
and rcmd-related programs (some of the most important cygwin stuff for
me).  I know that a recent snapshot solved some of this and was hoping
that the new "official" version would contain some or all of these
fixes.  Has the cygwin1 been reverted to -7?  Are these fixes in the
-11?  Am I crazy (don't answer that)?

Bruce Dobrin


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Re: perl Tk for cygwin almost fixed

[Reini Urban]

2008/3/19, Michael Kairys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I blush to confess I don't know what you mean. Can you say a little more
>  about how I would get the patch onto my system?

You go to the bugtracker for this module -
http://search.cpan.org/dist/Tk and click on "View/Report Bugs"
=> look for the cygwin patches
=> http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=31792
  "#31792: 804.028 Won't Comple in cygwin" (I didn't write this
report, but it could have been me)
And see the comments and attached patches.

The last one compiles good, even on Vista. But the event versions
should be changed.

>  "Reini Urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > 2008/3/17, Michael Kairys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  >
>
> > I really don't know when I will have enough time available for the
>  > remaining issues.
>  > The patch is there in the tracker, try it out by yourself. And try
>  > switching back  from unix events to windows events.
>
>
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RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New package: aria2-0.13.1+1-1

[Dave Korn]

Stepp, Charles wrote on 19 March 2008 18:00:

> Aria2 supports Oracle's Metalink? What does this mean, supports?

[ snip redundant repost of ENTIRE announce message ]

  It means "Don't be lazy and anti-social - trim your quotes".

  Actually, it means (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metalink)

"This article is about the open standard. [ ... ] Not to be confused with
the unrelated Oracle MetaLink, Oracle Corporation's support website.

Metalink is a cross-platform and cross-application open
standard/framework/file format for programs that download, including
download managers, BitTorrent clients, Web browsers, FTP clients, and P2P
programs [ ... ]"

  So you could say it means "Don't be lazy and anti-social - trim your
quotes.  And learn how to use Google".


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RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New package: aria2-0.13.1+1-1

[Stepp, Charles]

Aria2 supports Oracle's Metalink? What does this mean, supports?

Charles Stepp
Meskimen's Law:
There's never time to do it rite, but there's always time to do it over.

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To: cygwin@cygwin.com
Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New package: aria2-0.13.1+1-1

New package "aria2-0.13.1+1-1" has been uploaded.

Aria2 is a command line download utility with resuming and segmented
downloading. Supported protocols are HTTP/HTTPS/FTP/BitTorrent and

-->>> it also supports Metalink.

For more information about this package, see the upstream documentation
in
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TexLive Binaries?

[Sivaram Neelakantan]

Are there any plans to port the TeXLive 2007 to cygwin?  The tetex 3.x
are quite old and are no longer maintained by the author Thomas Esser
and all changes are maintained in TeX Live repository.

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 01:25:36PM -0400, Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E] 
wrote:
>Christopher Faylor wrote on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:31 PM:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:24:33PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>>> On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote:
 --- snip ---
 
 9. Deploying Cygwin
 
 9.1  I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer
 sites.  How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin
 installed by the user? 
 
 A.  Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should check if
 there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed version
 if it is newer, or conditionally upgrade if it is not.
 (If you write a tool to make this easy, consider contributing it to
 cygwin for others to use.) 
 
 9.2 Can I bundle Cygwin with my product for free?
 
 A. Only if you comply with Cygwin's license very carefully.
 If you choose to distribute cygwin1.dll, you must also distribute
 the exact source code used to build that copy of cygwin1.dll.
 If you ship applications that link with cygwin1.dll, you must either
 provide those applications' source code under a GPL-compatible
 license, *or* purchase a cygwin license from Red Hat.
 
 9.3.  Can I install a private version of cygwin that doesn't
 conflict with the system cygwin (in the same way that multiple
 versions of Wine can coexist)? 
 
 A. The Cygwin maintainers will resist any suggestion to support
 this, no matter how sensible it might sound to you, because they
 feel strongly that the only supportable situation is for everybody
 to use the same cygwin instance, and for it to be as up to date as
 possible. 
 
 9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs an
 older Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break?
 
 A. Yes.  If you run into such an application, uninstall it, point
 the author to this FAQ, and try to get them to follow the cygwin
 deployment rules. 
 
 --- snip ---
 
 Is that getting closer?
>>> 
>>> That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :) Care to create a
>>> matching docbook entry for the FAQ?
>> 
>> Actually, I think 9.3 suggests a disagreement and hints at a point of
>> view from the FAQ writer.  Also, what does Wine have to do with
>> anything?  Wine is a Linux package.  
>> 
>>  * * *
>> 
>> 9.3.  Can I install a private version of the Cygwin DLL that doesn't
>> conflict with the system cygwin? 
>> 
>> You can have two different versions of the Cygwin DLL installed on
>> your system at the same time but they must be run serially.  This
>> means that you can't be running programs using both versions of
>> Cygwin at the same time.  Please be aware that currently both
>> versions will use the same mount table entries although this may
>> change in the future. 
>> 
>> 9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs an older
>> Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break? 
>> 
>> It depends on what you mean by "break".  If the application installs
>> a version of the Cygwin DLL in another location than Cygwin's /bin
>> directory then the rules in 9.3 apply.  If the application installs
>> an older version of the DLL in /bin then you should complain loudly
>> to the application provider.
>> 
>> Remember that the Cygwin DLL strives to be backwards compatible so a
>> newer version of the DLL should always work with older executables. 
>> So, in general, it is always best to keep one version of the DLL on
>> your system and it should always be the latest version which matches
>> your installed distribution.
>> 
>>  * * *
>> 
>> Unless there are clarifications needed to the above, I can check this
>> in. 
>> 
>> Thanks for the words, Dan.
>> 
>> cgf
>
>Possible Clarification: 
>> Remember that the Cygwin DLL strives to be backwards compatible so a
>> newer version of the DLL should always work with older executables. 
>What about compatibility for Win 9x/Me when version 1.5 => 1.7?

When we actually release 1.7 we'll need to add more words all over the
FAQ.  Most likely, we'll need to add a whole section on this since it
is a big departure from previous releases.

cgf

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Dan Kegel]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Christopher Faylor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Actually, I think 9.3 suggests a disagreement

Yes, it accurately captures the disagreement that
the Cygwin maintainers have with users that want to do this.

Your replacement text isn't clear enough about
the fact that running two different cygwin DLLs
at the same time won't work, IMHO.

> Also, what does Wine have to do with
>  anything?  Wine is a Linux package.

Right, rip it out.

>  Unless there are clarifications needed to the above, I can check this in.

Please do; this will help.

Thanks,
Dan

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RE: FAQ suggestion

[Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]]

Christopher Faylor wrote on Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:31 PM:

> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:24:33PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>> On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote:
>>> --- snip ---
>>> 
>>> 9. Deploying Cygwin
>>> 
>>> 9.1  I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer
>>> sites.  How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin
>>> installed by the user? 
>>> 
>>> A.  Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should check if
>>> there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed version
>>> if it is newer, or conditionally upgrade if it is not.
>>> (If you write a tool to make this easy, consider contributing it to
>>> cygwin for others to use.) 
>>> 
>>> 9.2 Can I bundle Cygwin with my product for free?
>>> 
>>> A. Only if you comply with Cygwin's license very carefully.
>>> If you choose to distribute cygwin1.dll, you must also distribute
>>> the exact source code used to build that copy of cygwin1.dll.
>>> If you ship applications that link with cygwin1.dll, you must either
>>> provide those applications' source code under a GPL-compatible
>>> license, *or* purchase a cygwin license from Red Hat.
>>> 
>>> 9.3.  Can I install a private version of cygwin that doesn't
>>> conflict with the system cygwin (in the same way that multiple
>>> versions of Wine can coexist)? 
>>> 
>>> A. The Cygwin maintainers will resist any suggestion to support
>>> this, no matter how sensible it might sound to you, because they
>>> feel strongly that the only supportable situation is for everybody
>>> to use the same cygwin instance, and for it to be as up to date as
>>> possible. 
>>> 
>>> 9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs an
>>> older Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break?
>>> 
>>> A. Yes.  If you run into such an application, uninstall it, point
>>> the author to this FAQ, and try to get them to follow the cygwin
>>> deployment rules. 
>>> 
>>> --- snip ---
>>> 
>>> Is that getting closer?
>> 
>> That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :) Care to create a
>> matching docbook entry for the FAQ?
> 
> Actually, I think 9.3 suggests a disagreement and hints at a point of
> view from the FAQ writer.  Also, what does Wine have to do with
> anything?  Wine is a Linux package.  
> 
>  * * *
> 
> 9.3.  Can I install a private version of the Cygwin DLL that doesn't
> conflict with the system cygwin? 
> 
> You can have two different versions of the Cygwin DLL installed on
> your system at the same time but they must be run serially.  This
> means that you can't be running programs using both versions of
> Cygwin at the same time.  Please be aware that currently both
> versions will use the same mount table entries although this may
> change in the future. 
> 
> 9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs an older
> Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break? 
> 
> It depends on what you mean by "break".  If the application installs
> a version of the Cygwin DLL in another location than Cygwin's /bin
> directory then the rules in 9.3 apply.  If the application installs
> an older version of the DLL in /bin then you should complain loudly
> to the application provider.
> 
> Remember that the Cygwin DLL strives to be backwards compatible so a
> newer version of the DLL should always work with older executables. 
> So, in general, it is always best to keep one version of the DLL on
> your system and it should always be the latest version which matches
> your installed distribution.
> 
>  * * *
> 
> Unless there are clarifications needed to the above, I can check this
> in. 
> 
> Thanks for the words, Dan.
> 
> cgf

Possible Clarification: 
> Remember that the Cygwin DLL strives to be backwards compatible so a
> newer version of the DLL should always work with older executables. 
What about compatibility for Win 9x/Me when version 1.5 => 1.7?

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Andrew Schulman]

> What is stow?

http://www.gnu.org/software/stow/

Available as a Cygwin package.


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[Packaging error] Singular

[Dr. Volker Zell]

Hi

Just for the record:

singular-base3.0.4-1 OK
Missing file: /usr/share/doc/Singular-3.0.3/COPYING from package singular-help
Missing file: /usr/share/doc/Singular-3.0.3/GPL from package singular-help
Missing file: /usr/share/doc/Singular-3.0.3/INSTALL from package singular-help
Missing file: /usr/share/doc/Singular-3.0.3/NEWS from package singular-help
Missing file: /usr/share/doc/Singular-3.0.3/README from package singular-help
singular-help3.0.3-1 Incomplete
singular-icons   3.0.3-1 OK
singular-share   3.0.4-1 OK
singular-surf3.0.3-1 OK

Ciao
  Volker

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[NightStrike]

On 3/19/08, Andrew Schulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * When I want to test installing something myself for which there is
> > no cygwin package supplied, and I don't want to break anything (nor am
> > I able to backup the current cygwin root tree)
>
> We have /usr/local or /opt for that.  Furthermore you can use stow to easily
> install and uninstall test packages.

What is stow?

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Brian Dessent]

Dave Korn wrote:

>   Also don't forget to shutdown any running services when swapping over.

Right, implicit in all of this is you shut down all instances of any
open programs or files from one tree before switching to the other.

Brian

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 04:25:36PM -, Dave Korn wrote:
>Brian wrote on 19 March 2008 16:09:
>
>> NightStrike wrote:
>> 
>> > If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how
>> > (perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?)
>> 
>> I do this all the time, it's trivial.  You don't have to keep them in
>> sync, they can be totally different versions.  "umount -A" (create a
>> mounts.bat first if you haven't) on the Cygwin tree A, cd to cygwin tree
>> B, run mounts.bat (previously generated from mount -m) in Cygwin tree B,
>> and you're done.  This assumes you don't have Cygwin added to the system
>> path (instead allowing it to be set by /etc/profile), otherwise you need
>> to swap that too, but that's easy.
>
>  Also don't forget to shutdown any running services when swapping over.

For the record, the above is what I do when I need to have two different
installations.  I used to do this when I worked on Red Hat's "GNUpro"
release of Cygwin.

cgf

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Christopher Faylor]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:24:33PM +0100, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
>On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote:
>> --- snip ---
>> 
>> 9. Deploying Cygwin
>> 
>> 9.1  I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer
>> sites.  How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin
>> installed by the user?
>> 
>> A.  Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should check if
>> there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed
>> version if it is newer, or conditionally upgrade if it is not.
>> (If you write a tool to make this easy, consider contributing
>> it to cygwin for others to use.)
>> 
>> 9.2 Can I bundle Cygwin with my product for free?
>> 
>> A. Only if you comply with Cygwin's license very carefully.
>> If you choose to distribute cygwin1.dll, you must also
>> distribute the exact source code used to build that copy of cygwin1.dll.
>> If you ship applications that link with cygwin1.dll,
>> you must either provide those applications' source code under a
>> GPL-compatible license, *or* purchase a cygwin license from Red Hat.
>> 
>> 9.3.  Can I install a private version of cygwin that doesn't conflict
>> with the system cygwin (in the same way that multiple versions
>> of Wine can coexist)?
>> 
>> A. The Cygwin maintainers will resist any suggestion to support
>> this, no matter how sensible it might sound to you, because
>> they feel strongly that the only supportable situation is
>> for everybody to use the same cygwin instance, and for it
>> to be as up to date as possible.
>> 
>> 9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs
>> an older Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break?
>> 
>> A. Yes.  If you run into such an application, uninstall it,
>> point the author to this FAQ, and try to get them to follow
>> the cygwin deployment rules.
>> 
>> --- snip ---
>> 
>> Is that getting closer?
>
>That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :)
>Care to create a matching docbook entry for the FAQ?

Actually, I think 9.3 suggests a disagreement and hints at a point of
view from the FAQ writer.  Also, what does Wine have to do with
anything?  Wine is a Linux package.

 * * *

9.3.  Can I install a private version of the Cygwin DLL that doesn't
conflict with the system cygwin?

You can have two different versions of the Cygwin DLL installed on your
system at the same time but they must be run serially.  This means that
you can't be running programs using both versions of Cygwin at the same
time.  Please be aware that currently both versions will use the same
mount table entries although this may change in the future.

9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs
an older Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break?

It depends on what you mean by "break".  If the application installs a
version of the Cygwin DLL in another location than Cygwin's /bin
directory then the rules in 9.3 apply.  If the application installs an
older version of the DLL in /bin then you should complain loudly to the
application provider.

Remember that the Cygwin DLL strives to be backwards compatible so a
newer version of the DLL should always work with older executables.  So,
in general, it is always best to keep one version of the DLL on your
system and it should always be the latest version which matches your
installed distribution.

 * * *

Unless there are clarifications needed to the above, I can check this in.

Thanks for the words, Dan.

cgf

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RE: FAQ suggestion

[Dave Korn]

Brian wrote on 19 March 2008 16:09:

> NightStrike wrote:
> 
> > If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how
> > (perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?)
> 
> I do this all the time, it's trivial.  You don't have to keep them in
> sync, they can be totally different versions.  "umount -A" (create a
> mounts.bat first if you haven't) on the Cygwin tree A, cd to cygwin tree
> B, run mounts.bat (previously generated from mount -m) in Cygwin tree B,
> and you're done.  This assumes you don't have Cygwin added to the system
> path (instead allowing it to be set by /etc/profile), otherwise you need
> to swap that too, but that's easy.
> 
> Brian

  Also don't forget to shutdown any running services when swapping over.

cheers,
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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Brian Dessent]

NightStrike wrote:

> If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how
> (perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?)

I do this all the time, it's trivial.  You don't have to keep them in
sync, they can be totally different versions.  "umount -A" (create a
mounts.bat first if you haven't) on the Cygwin tree A, cd to cygwin tree
B, run mounts.bat (previously generated from mount -m) in Cygwin tree B,
and you're done.  This assumes you don't have Cygwin added to the system
path (instead allowing it to be set by /etc/profile), otherwise you need
to swap that too, but that's easy.

Brian

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Mar 19 08:08, Dan Kegel wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Corinna Vinschen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :)
> >  Care to create a matching docbook entry for the FAQ?
> 
> I can give it a whirl.  Might take me a while, though... where
> is the FAQ source, again?

http://cygwin.com/cvs.html, subdir is winsup/doc.


Thanks,
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Re: perl Tk for cygwin almost fixed

[Michael Kairys]

I blush to confess I don't know what you mean. Can you say a little more 
about how I would get the patch onto my system?


"Reini Urban" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2008/3/17, Michael Kairys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

I really don't know when I will have enough time available for the
remaining issues.
The patch is there in the tracker, try it out by yourself. And try
switching back  from unix events to windows events.




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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Dan Kegel]

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 7:24 AM, Corinna Vinschen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :)
>  Care to create a matching docbook entry for the FAQ?

I can give it a whirl.  Might take me a while, though... where
is the FAQ source, again?

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Andrew Schulman]

> * When I want to test installing something myself for which there is
> no cygwin package supplied, and I don't want to break anything (nor am
> I able to backup the current cygwin root tree)

We have /usr/local or /opt for that.  Furthermore you can use stow to easily
install and uninstall test packages.


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Re: FAQ suggestion

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Mar 18 21:47, Dan Kegel wrote:
> --- snip ---
> 
> 9. Deploying Cygwin
> 
> 9.1  I want to bundle Cygwin with a product, and ship it to customer
> sites.  How can I do this without conflicting with any Cygwin
> installed by the user?
> 
> A.  Third party developers who wish to use Cygwin should check if
> there is a version of cygwin installed and use the installed
> version if it is newer, or conditionally upgrade if it is not.
> (If you write a tool to make this easy, consider contributing
> it to cygwin for others to use.)
> 
> 9.2 Can I bundle Cygwin with my product for free?
> 
> A. Only if you comply with Cygwin's license very carefully.
> If you choose to distribute cygwin1.dll, you must also
> distribute the exact source code used to build that copy of cygwin1.dll.
> If you ship applications that link with cygwin1.dll,
> you must either provide those applications' source code under a
> GPL-compatible license, *or* purchase a cygwin license from Red Hat.
> 
> 9.3.  Can I install a private version of cygwin that doesn't conflict
> with the system cygwin (in the same way that multiple versions
> of Wine can coexist)?
> 
> A. The Cygwin maintainers will resist any suggestion to support
> this, no matter how sensible it might sound to you, because
> they feel strongly that the only supportable situation is
> for everybody to use the same cygwin instance, and for it
> to be as up to date as possible.
> 
> 9.4. But doesn't that mean that if some application installs
> an older Cygwin library than my system had, my application will break?
> 
> A. Yes.  If you run into such an application, uninstall it,
> point the author to this FAQ, and try to get them to follow
> the cygwin deployment rules.
> 
> --- snip ---
> 
> Is that getting closer?

That's quite close, especially the answer to 9.3 :)
Care to create a matching docbook entry for the FAQ?


Thanks,
Corinna

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Re: FAQ suggestion

[NightStrike]

On 3/19/08, Dan Kegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Don't assume that everyone who asks the question
> is trying to cheat or bend the rules; I'm a pretty fierce

It is true -- not everyone who wants multiple cygwins installed is a
software packager trying to profit off of cygwin.  I have found it
beneficial to create these multiple installations many times, though
it of course didn't work.  For instance, these two scenarios happened
to me recently:

* When I want to test installing something myself for which there is
no cygwin package supplied, and I don't want to break anything (nor am
I able to backup the current cygwin root tree)

* When I want to run a locally stored version of cygwin instead of the
one that I installed to my network share drive that is automounted
onto any computer I log on to because either 1) the share is absent /
having technical issues, or 2) I need the additional speed granted by
running locally, for instance when I am VPN'ing in to work over
dial-up


If there are any ideas on how to make that work, I'd love to know how
(perhaps by keeping the two repositories in synch somehow?)

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: m4-1.4.10b-2

[Eric Blake]

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A new release of m4, 1.4.10b-2, is available, replacing 1.4.10b-1 as
current and leaving 1.4.10-1 as previous

NEWS

This is a minor patch release.  It applies an upstream patch to avoid an
assertion failure triggered when running autoconf on the PHP project.  It
is marked as a beta release upstream, but I am marking it as the current
release because of the speed increase it offers to autoconf.  (It helps
that I'm the upstream developer, and did my development primarily on cygwin ;)

See also /usr/share/doc/m4-1.4.10b/.

You must rebuild from source if you want the experimental changeword
feature enabled, as using it can slow down normal operation, and since it
will disappear from the eventual m4 2.0.

DESCRIPTION
===
m4 is an implementation of the traditional Unix macro processor. It is
mostly SVR4 compatible although it has some extensions (for example,
handling more than 9 positional parameters to macros). GNU m4 also has
built-in functions for including files, running shell commands, doing
arithmetic, etc.

UPDATE
==
To update your installation, click on the "Install Cygwin now" link on the
http://cygwin.com/ web page.  This downloads setup.exe to your system.
Save it and run setup, answer the questions and pick up 'm4' from the
'Interpreters' category.

DOWNLOAD:
=
Note that downloads from sources.redhat.com (aka cygwin.com) aren't
allowed due to bandwidth limitations.  This means that you will need to
find a mirror which has this update, please choose the one nearest to you:
http://cygwin.com/mirrors.html

QUESTIONS:
==
If you want to make a point or ask a question the Cygwin mailing list is
the appropriate place.

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] New package: aria2-0.13.1+1-1

[Kostya Altukhov]

New package "aria2-0.13.1+1-1" has been uploaded.

Aria2 is a command line download utility with resuming and segmented
downloading. Supported protocols are HTTP/HTTPS/FTP/BitTorrent and
it also supports Metalink.

For more information about this package, see the upstream documentation in
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[Packaging bug] bzip2-1.0.5

[Dr. Volker Zell]

Hi

Do the following files really belong to /usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5 ?
They look more like files were the documentation is generated from.

 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/bz-common.xsl
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/bz-fo.xsl
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/bz-html.xsl
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/entities.xml
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/format.pl
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/manual.texi
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/manual.xml
 usr/share/doc/bzip2-1.0.5/xmlproc.sh
 
Ciao
  Volker
  

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Interested in buying US traffic from Cygwin.

[Nick Webber]

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Re: Strange pthread_atfork() behavior

[Corinna Vinschen]

On Mar 19 08:46, Alon Bar-Lev wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Can anyone test this and see if it behaves differently?

http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-03/msg00436.html

I forgot to CC you, sorry.


Corinna

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