Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27 16:55, Warren Young wrote: On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Andrey Repin anrdae...@yandex.ru wrote: On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Haha. The cygwin-apps list is publically archived for a reason :) Yes, I know ... making fun. However, as I have NOT seen any maintainer respond enthusiastically to you effort YET (they are all very busy, I am sure), I believed it could do no harm to inform the masses (experienced users) ... More importantly, it do good to inform the author, that her patch works as expected. Can we get a gold star for Corinna here? Too early. Please don't use this test release. It has the unfortunate side-effect that downgrading packages is not possible anymore, and worse, the package could be silently removed. That's a teeny little bit more exciting action than I anticipated with my change. Sorry, but this needs more work. Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat pgpP_srkPkD0v.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
Corinna Vinschen corinna-cygwin at cygwin.com writes: It has the unfortunate side-effect that downgrading packages is not possible anymore, and worse, the package could be silently removed. That's a teeny little bit more exciting action than I anticipated with my change. With your second patch the orphan removal works again (correctyl as far as I could test it). Sorry, can't help with the downgrade scenario, I don't have any prev packages in my setup.ini and would need to set up a test installation. Regards, Achim. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 28 11:43, Achim Gratz wrote: Corinna Vinschen corinna-cygwin at cygwin.com writes: It has the unfortunate side-effect that downgrading packages is not possible anymore, and worse, the package could be silently removed. That's a teeny little bit more exciting action than I anticipated with my change. With your second patch the orphan removal works again (correctyl as far as I could test it). Sorry, can't help with the downgrade scenario, I don't have any prev packages in my setup.ini and would need to set up a test installation. Even downgradfing from test to curr will do its worst :-P Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat pgpl4SwceelJQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27 14:16, Houder wrote: On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Haha. The cygwin-apps list is publically archived for a reason :) Yes, I know ... making fun. However, as I have NOT seen any maintainer respond enthusiastically to you effort YET (they are all very busy, I am sure), I believed it could do no harm to inform the masses (experienced users) ... ACK Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat pgpZO8t9n_drV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On 1/27/2015 5:51 PM, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, Marco Atzeri! PS: the cygwin web site seems very slow. Is it just my connection ? HTTP or HTTPS? It seems, the HTTPS part sometimes bugs out. both, but now is OK -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@yandex.ru) 27.01.2015, 19:50 Regards Marco -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
One detail bugging me (and probably others as well) in Setup is this. If I chose to install a test version of a package, and then start Setup again, Setup will default to the current version of the package again. If I'm just a bit careless, I'll overwrite my test version with the curr version of this package. And another Setup run will be required to fix that ... Yes, yes, yes, bugging me too. Right, I haven't had time to test this, but +1 for the idea for sure. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27 17:05, Andrey Repin wrote: Greetings, Corinna Vinschen! Which I did. Satisfied user here. An user which never uses the keep/current/experimental radio buttons, though (which I consider superfluous). Thanks for testing, and that's a good point. These radio buttons are rather... weird. I think it might be a good idea to remove them. You'd need a way to specify package version as a required prerequisite, as some experimental packages depend on specific versions of other packages and may not work with different versions. The curr/exp let you set all packages to same state at once. Though, I agree, this is not something I'd use myself. Apart from not using them anyway, the radio button mechanism is too coarse. What we really need is a dependency mechanism in setup which automatically chooses the test packages of only the dependencies, if those have test packages of their own. I'm not sure how to do that in setup right now, but it's certainly something we should look into. [insert obvious invitation for developers to help] Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat pgp77QtJOGfTM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
Greetings, Houder! On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Haha. The cygwin-apps list is publically archived for a reason :) Yes, I know ... making fun. However, as I have NOT seen any maintainer respond enthusiastically to you effort YET (they are all very busy, I am sure), I believed it could do no harm to inform the masses (experienced users) ... More importantly, it do good to inform the author, that her patch works as expected. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@yandex.ru) 27.01.2015, 17:06 Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
Greetings, Corinna Vinschen! Which I did. Satisfied user here. An user which never uses the keep/current/experimental radio buttons, though (which I consider superfluous). Thanks for testing, and that's a good point. These radio buttons are rather... weird. I think it might be a good idea to remove them. You'd need a way to specify package version as a required prerequisite, as some experimental packages depend on specific versions of other packages and may not work with different versions. The curr/exp let you set all packages to same state at once. Though, I agree, this is not something I'd use myself. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@yandex.ru) 27.01.2015, 15:29 Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Andrey Repin anrdae...@yandex.ru wrote: On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Haha. The cygwin-apps list is publically archived for a reason :) Yes, I know ... making fun. However, as I have NOT seen any maintainer respond enthusiastically to you effort YET (they are all very busy, I am sure), I believed it could do no harm to inform the masses (experienced users) ... More importantly, it do good to inform the author, that her patch works as expected. Can we get a gold star for Corinna here? Seriously. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Haha. The cygwin-apps list is publically archived for a reason :) Title: Setup patch to keep test version if test version installed Hi guys, I need a bit of feedback. One detail bugging me (and probably others as well) in Setup is this. If I chose to install a test version of a package, and then start Setup again, Setup will default to the current version of the package again. If I'm just a bit careless, I'll overwrite my test version with the curr version of this package. And another Setup run will be required to fix that ... Yes, yes, yes, bugging me too. Then she wrote (in a follow-up message): I checked in code which fixes this issue, which simplifies the package choosing algorithm when clicking on the package line, and which implements the default package in a way which never downgrades a package without the user's explicit consent by choosing the lower package version manually. This is much more in line with the update mechanism in Linux package managers. I uploaded test builds of this setup to cygwin.com: https://cygwin.com/setup-test-x86.exe https://cygwin.com/setup-test-x86_64.exe Please give it a try. Which I did. Satisfied user here. An user which never uses the keep/current/experimental radio buttons, though (which I consider superfluous). Thanks for testing, and that's a good point. These radio buttons are rather... weird. I think it might be a good idea to remove them. Thanks, Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat pgpWTVafeROEj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Title: Setup patch to keep test version if test version installed Hi guys, I need a bit of feedback. One detail bugging me (and probably others as well) in Setup is this. If I chose to install a test version of a package, and then start Setup again, Setup will default to the current version of the package again. If I'm just a bit careless, I'll overwrite my test version with the curr version of this package. And another Setup run will be required to fix that ... Yes, yes, yes, bugging me too. Then she wrote (in a follow-up message): I checked in code which fixes this issue, which simplifies the package choosing algorithm when clicking on the package line, and which implements the default package in a way which never downgrades a package without the user's explicit consent by choosing the lower package version manually. This is much more in line with the update mechanism in Linux package managers. I uploaded test builds of this setup to cygwin.com: https://cygwin.com/setup-test-x86.exe https://cygwin.com/setup-test-x86_64.exe Please give it a try. Which I did. Satisfied user here. An user which never uses the keep/current/experimental radio buttons, though (which I consider superfluous). Thank you. Henri -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Haha. The cygwin-apps list is publically archived for a reason :) Yes, I know ... making fun. However, as I have NOT seen any maintainer respond enthusiastically to you effort YET (they are all very busy, I am sure), I believed it could do no harm to inform the masses (experienced users) ... Henri -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On 1/27/2015 1:17 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jan 27 12:11, Houder wrote: Corinna wrote (on a different Cygwin mailing list, which I am not supposed to read): Which I did. Satisfied user here. An user which never uses the keep/current/experimental radio buttons, though (which I consider superfluous). Thanks for testing, and that's a good point. These radio buttons are rather... weird. I think it might be a good idea to remove them. I use it. The only issue I find with them is their peculiar trinary logic. In reality we have 2 questions: current/experimental update/keep When I need an experimental version of cygwin and there is a experimental bunch of perls (for example) it will more easy to keep and upgrade only cygwin than update and deselect all the tons of perls Other layout pitfall (IMHO) view button should be on the left not on the right. search is in reality a filter and could fit better near select packages Thanks, Corinna The new logic works fine. I have a bunch of custom X libs for debugging purpose and they are not automatically select for downgrade Regards Marco PS: the cygwin web site seems very slow. Is it just my connection ? -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On Jan 27 10:24, Vince Rice wrote: PS: the cygwin web site seems very slow. Is it just my connection ? What he said. It’s been off and on for a couple of weeks, but this morning it actually timed out. I actually did a traceroute and it was a 70.* address that was the problem. (Sorry, I did it at home and don’t have the output with me on my laptop.) Just tried it myself from my 6Gbit DSL line, and I don't experience any slowdown. Some routing problems on the way, perhaps? Corinna -- Corinna Vinschen Please, send mails regarding Cygwin to Cygwin Maintainer cygwin AT cygwin DOT com Red Hat pgp6p01fycqfw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
Greetings, Marco Atzeri! PS: the cygwin web site seems very slow. Is it just my connection ? HTTP or HTTPS? It seems, the HTTPS part sometimes bugs out. -- WBR, Andrey Repin (anrdae...@yandex.ru) 27.01.2015, 19:50 Sorry for my terrible english... -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
PS: the cygwin web site seems very slow. Is it just my connection ? What he said. It’s been off and on for a couple of weeks, but this morning it actually timed out. I actually did a traceroute and it was a 70.* address that was the problem. (Sorry, I did it at home and don’t have the output with me on my laptop.) -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Although advertised on a different Cygwin mailing list ...
On 1/27/2015 5:24 PM, Vince Rice wrote: PS: the cygwin web site seems very slow. Is it just my connection ? What he said. It’s been off and on for a couple of weeks, but this morning it actually timed out. I actually did a traceroute and it was a 70.* address that was the problem. (Sorry, I did it at home and don’t have the output with me on my laptop.) -- It seems a DOS attack https://www.sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2015-01/msg00274.html Regards Marco -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
