RE: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-03 Thread Dave Korn
On 03 October 2007 06:14, Andrew DeFaria wrote:

 Matthew Wozniski wrote:
 Hibernation does involve swapping everything in memory to disk,
 freezing the state of all processes, and powering down the system.
 But, the system being powered down does not mean that no part of the
 system is receiving power. In fact, Wake On LAN technology is designed
 to work on machines that are completely shut down - the only caveat is
 that the motherboard reserves power for the network card, and the
 network card scans for a particular magic packet addressed to it. If
 that packet shows up, the computer turns itself back on.
 This would be the first time that I've ever heard of this. Forgive me
 for saying but do you have a reference?

  http://www.google.com/search?q=wake+on+lan


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Re: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-02 Thread Danilo Turina
Some time ago, it happened to me that my PC came out of hibernate 
without no apparent reason.


Initially I though that someone, accidentally, hit the keyboard causing 
the resume of the PC, but after disabling keyboard switch on, the 
problem persisted.


I then discovered that my network card was configured to wake up the PC 
when receiving certain kind of packets. Disabling that feature did the job.


Ciao,
Danilo

Saurabh Tendulkar wrote:

Hi,
I'm trying to troubleshoot why my pc comes out of hibernate. It seems 
like some of the times this happens correspond to cron jobs. Is it 
possible that cron could be (one of) the culprit(s) here? If so, is 
there a way to prevent cron from waking up the computer? Thank you.


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RE: Re: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-02 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [E]
 Saurabh Tendulkar wrote:
 Hi,
 I'm trying to troubleshoot why my pc comes out of hibernate. It seems
 like some of the times this happens correspond to cron jobs. Is it
 possible that cron could be (one of) the culprit(s) here? If so, is
 there a way to prevent cron from waking up the computer? Thank you.
 
 saurabh

Danilo Turina wrote on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:50 AM:
 Some time ago, it happened to me that my PC came out of hibernate
 without no apparent reason. 
 
 Initially I though that someone, accidentally, hit the keyboard
 causing the resume of the PC, but after disabling keyboard switch on,
 the problem persisted.  
 
 I then discovered that my network card was configured to wake up the
 PC when receiving certain kind of packets. Disabling that feature did
 the job.  

Many BIOSs can wake up the computer at specific times.  I'm not sure,
but I seem to remember having had a BIOS that that mentioned something
like waking up when receiving something from the network, so you might
also look for that.

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Re: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-02 Thread Andrew DeFaria

Danilo Turina wrote:
Some time ago, it happened to me that my PC came out of hibernate 
without no apparent reason.


Initially I though that someone, accidentally, hit the keyboard 
causing the resume of the PC, but after disabling keyboard switch on, 
the problem persisted.


I then discovered that my network card was configured to wake up the 
PC when receiving certain kind of packets. Disabling that feature did 
the job.


Ciao,
Danilo
AFAICT that's not hibernation - that's sleep mode. There's a difference, 
hence the different terms. Hibernation mode involves placing the current 
contents of memory in swap and shutdown off, not down, the computer. It 
requires that you push the power button to start the boot up sequence. 
During boot up the computer notices that it was hibernating and says 
*Resuming* Windows not *Starting* Windows. Main memory is then taken 
from virtual memory and loaded into main memory and control is 
transfered to the scheduler.


I use hibernate mode all the time. I once used it at work when we were 
moving from one building to another. During that time the computer was 
not even connected to the power source and indeed in a moving truck! 
When at the new building I powered it on and it came back exactly to 
where I had left it off prior to hibernating it.


I don't think that that is what happened to you, rather I think that you 
were in sleep mode and the network card awoke your computer. Sleep mode 
can be gotten out of without having to press the power button and is 
nearly instantaneous.

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Re: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-02 Thread Matthew Wozniski
On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:51:19AM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
 Danilo Turina wrote:
 I then discovered that my network card was configured to wake up the PC 
 when receiving certain kind of packets. Disabling that feature did the 
 job.
 AFAICT that's not hibernation - that's sleep mode. There's a difference, 
...
 I use hibernate mode all the time. I once used it at work when we were 
 moving from one building to another. During that time the computer was not 
 even connected to the power source and indeed in a moving truck! When at 
 the new building I powered it on and it came back exactly to where I had 
 left it off prior to hibernating it.

Hibernation does involve swapping everything in memory to disk,
freezing the state of all processes, and powering down the system.
But, the system being powered down does not mean that no part of the
system is receiving power.  In fact, Wake On LAN technology is
designed to work on machines that are completely shut down - the only
caveat is that the motherboard reserves power for the network card,
and the network card scans for a particular magic packet addressed to
it.  If that packet shows up, the computer turns itself back on.

So, not only can this bring a computer out of sleep or hibernation, it
can bring a computer out of a shutdown, too, as long as the device is
still plugged in.

~Matt Wozniski

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Re: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-02 Thread Saurabh Tendulkar


On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 08:51:19AM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:

Danilo Turina wrote:
I then discovered that my network card was configured to wake up the PC 
when receiving certain kind of packets. Disabling that feature did the 
job.

AFAICT that's not hibernation - that's sleep mode. There's a difference,


I use hibernate mode all the time. I once used it at work when we were 
moving from one building to another. During that time the computer was not 
even connected to the power source and indeed in a moving truck! When at 
the new building I powered it on and it came back exactly to where I had 
left it off prior to hibernating it.


In fact, Wake On LAN technology is
designed to work on machines that are completely shut down - the only
caveat is that the motherboard reserves power for the network card,
and the network card scans for a particular magic packet addressed to
it.  If that packet shows up, the computer turns itself back on.

~Matt Wozniski


Oh it is definitely hibernate. I have never had the computer come out of 
shutdown though. I found partial answers here 
(http://support.intel.com/support/network/sb/cs-008459.htm) and here 
(http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit/msg/c40efb06dce495d6). 
My computer does show ACPI. I'll try turning off my cable modem and see if 
it works. Thanks for the suggestions.


saurabh

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Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-01 Thread Saurabh Tendulkar

Hi,
I'm trying to troubleshoot why my pc comes out of hibernate. It seems like 
some of the times this happens correspond to cron jobs. Is it possible that 
cron could be (one of) the culprit(s) here? If so, is there a way to prevent 
cron from waking up the computer? Thank you.


saurabh

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Re: Can cron cause computer to wake up from hibernate?

2007-10-01 Thread Andrew DeFaria

Saurabh Tendulkar wrote:

Hi,
I'm trying to troubleshoot why my pc comes out of hibernate. It seems 
like some of the times this happens correspond to cron jobs. Is it 
possible that cron could be (one of) the culprit(s) here? If so, is 
there a way to prevent cron from waking up the computer? Thank you.
AFAIK nothing wakes a computer up out of hibernate mode except pushing 
the power button. Did you mean sleep mode?

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