Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-03-11 Thread Andrey Repin
Greetings, Bill Stewart!

> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 3:38 PM Achim Gratz  wrote:

>> Try it with a group that has several hundred members.  Then try with
>> several hundreds of such groups.  Then try it again over a DSL line or
>> some VPN routing you across the globe that has a roundtrip measured in
>> tenths of seconds.

> Understood - not ideal for all situations.

> An even more appropriate approach is for sshd to ignore case in usernames
> when listening for connections on a host OS that ignores case in usernames.

> My understanding is that this change will be in the next version of OpenSSH
> (unless I misunderstood).

In the next major version, IIRC. (I.e. 8.x)


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-03-11 Thread Bill Stewart
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 3:38 PM Achim Gratz  wrote:

> Try it with a group that has several hundred members.  Then try with
> several hundreds of such groups.  Then try it again over a DSL line or
> some VPN routing you across the globe that has a roundtrip measured in
> tenths of seconds.

Understood - not ideal for all situations.

An even more appropriate approach is for sshd to ignore case in usernames
when listening for connections on a host OS that ignores case in usernames.

My understanding is that this change will be in the next version of OpenSSH
(unless I misunderstood).

Regards

Bill

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-03-11 Thread Achim Gratz
Bill Stewart writes:
> FWIW, not sure if you're using the IADsNameTranslate interface (
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/api/iads/nn-iads-iadsnametranslate).
[…]
> Init depends on a available AD server (GC in this example), of course, but
> seems pretty fast in my tests.

Try it with a group that has several hundred members.  Then try with
several hundreds of such groups.  Then try it again over a DSL line or
some VPN routing you across the globe that has a roundtrip measured in
tenths of seconds.


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Achim.
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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-03-11 Thread Bill Stewart
On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 2:39 AM Corinna Vinschen  wrote:

> > Since windows seems to adhere to the rule:
> > "Case preserving", but "case ignoring", what does it
> > mean to make sure all user and group names are
> > case-correct?
>
> This all started here:
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2019-02/msg00109.html
>
> followed up with
>
> https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2019-02/msg00113.html
>
> tl;dr: The easy and fast way out didn't work for accounts from
> other domains than the machine's primary domain due to caching.
>
> So I thought it's a good idea to fetch the correct groupnames by an
> additional LDAP call, but the performance hit is apparently too high in
> some environments.

FWIW, not sure if you're using the IADsNameTranslate interface (
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/api/iads/nn-iads-iadsnametranslate).
..

Example pseudo-code:

NameTranslate::Init(ADS_NAME_INITTYPE_GC, null);

Then:

accountName = 'domain\username';
NameTranslate::Set(ADS_NAME_TYPE_NT4, accountName);
caseCorrectedName = NameTranslate::Get(ADS_NAME_TYPE_NT4);  //
DOMAIN\UserName

Init depends on a available AD server (GC in this example), of course, but
seems pretty fast in my tests.

Bill

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-28 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/28/2019 1:39 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

This is all more or less moot as soon as OpenSSH 8.0 comes out, which
will contain patches to handle user and group names case-insensitive,
finally.


Please forgive my ignorance of cygwin's internals, but why does 
cygwin1.dll need to do anything on the network or enumerate the groups 
in LDAP/AD or whatever even when doing something as mundane as 'grep 
-V'? I'm just wondering if there's a better way to hold off on that 
until it's really needed.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-28 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Feb 27 19:11, L A Walsh wrote:
> On 2/27/2019 12:50 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> > The fix was this one:
> > https://cygwin.com/git/?p=newlib-cygwin.git;a=commitdiff;h=18c203fb6eb
> > Corinna
> >
> >   
> 
> My question would be related to the comment with the fix:
> 
> "made sure all user and group names are case-correct"
> 
> Since windows seems to adhere to the rule:
> "Case preserving", but "case ignoring", what does it
> mean to make sure all user and group names are
> case-correct?

This all started here:
https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2019-02/msg00109.html

followed up with

https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2019-02/msg00113.html

tl;dr: The easy and fast way out didn't work for accounts from
other domains than the machine's primary domain due to caching.

So I thought it's a good idea to fetch the correct groupnames by an
additional LDAP call, but the performance hit is apparently too high in
some environments.

This is all more or less moot as soon as OpenSSH 8.0 comes out, which
will contain patches to handle user and group names case-insensitive,
finally.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread L A Walsh
On 2/27/2019 12:50 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
> The fix was this one:
> https://cygwin.com/git/?p=newlib-cygwin.git;a=commitdiff;h=18c203fb6eb
> Corinna
>
>   

My question would be related to the comment with the fix:

"made sure all user and group names are case-correct"

Since windows seems to adhere to the rule:
"Case preserving", but "case ignoring", what does it
mean to make sure all user and group names are
case-correct?

>From what little I understand in the area, the case that is
preserved is the 1st one used on a given machine.

However if we are talking non-Windows LDAP/AD, who knows
what is done.  Sigh.




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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/27/2019 12:50 PM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:

Apparently same problem as reported in
https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2019-02/msg00301.html

The fix was this one:

https://cygwin.com/git/?p=newlib-cygwin.git;a=commitdiff;h=18c203fb6eb


Thanks. Yeah, our AD has 152 groups.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Feb 27 12:44, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> On 2/27/2019 12:23 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> > I am also happy to report that cygwin1-20190226.dll fixes the issue.
> 
> For the curious, the fix happened between cygwin1-20190219.dll and
> cygwin1-20190223.dll.
> 
> Maybe the changes in sec_auth.cc. They look suspicious.

Apparently same problem as reported in
https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2019-02/msg00301.html

The fix was this one:

https://cygwin.com/git/?p=newlib-cygwin.git;a=commitdiff;h=18c203fb6eb


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/27/2019 12:23 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:

I am also happy to report that cygwin1-20190226.dll fixes the issue.


For the curious, the fix happened between cygwin1-20190219.dll and 
cygwin1-20190223.dll.


Maybe the changes in sec_auth.cc. They look suspicious.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread Eric Blake
On 2/27/19 2:19 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> On 2/26/2019 10:55 PM, Brian Inglis wrote:
>> As Cygwin is a rolling release system, if you are not running current
>> releases,
>> some CVE security issues may remain unpatched, and your system may not be
>> compliant to your corporate security policies (you may want to check
>> with your
>> IT security and/or IT auditors).
> 
> I narrowed it down to my network. If I unplug the Ethernet cable the
> problem disappears. If I plug it in, the problem returns. I can
> reproduce it 100% for an hour straight, going back and forth.

Off-hand, I would suspect that the newer Cygwin has code that tries to
access a network resource (perhaps because you have a "//name" in your
$PATH, or perhaps because of local vs. network username), and that the
process hangs waiting for the resource to time out when you have the
cable plugged in (or even has a bug that causes an inf-loop), but
quickly falls back to something that works when the network is not
present. Corinna will have more ideas about how to test which particular
network call is hanging, as well as being more familiar with recent
changes in network username validation, for ideas on better debugging this.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/27/2019 12:19 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:

I narrowed it down to my network. If I unplug the Ethernet cable the
problem disappears. If I plug it in, the problem returns. I can
reproduce it 100% for an hour straight, going back and forth.


I am also happy to report that cygwin1-20190226.dll fixes the issue.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 10:55 PM, Brian Inglis wrote:

As Cygwin is a rolling release system, if you are not running current releases,
some CVE security issues may remain unpatched, and your system may not be
compliant to your corporate security policies (you may want to check with your
IT security and/or IT auditors).


I narrowed it down to my network. If I unplug the Ethernet cable the 
problem disappears. If I plug it in, the problem returns. I can 
reproduce it 100% for an hour straight, going back and forth.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-27 Thread E. Madison Bray
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 4:45 AM Steven Penny wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:21:15, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:
> > Well I guess it's a good thing there's only one possible state of
> > Windows 7 x64 which allows us to determine that there's no possibility
> > of a bug simply by running a single instance in one VM. We're going to
> > turn the world of unit testing on its ear with this information.
>
> correct, multiple states are possible. this is why the scientific method 
> defines
> a control:
>
> https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_control
>
> in this case that would be a clean virtual machine. if you cant or wont do 
> that,
> then you must understand that you only have yourself to blame.

I understand this thread has been heated, and it hasn't been just you
who's been impatient by any means.  But maybe it will help smooth
things over by avoiding words like "blame" and finger pointing.  If
someone has a broken Cygwin on their system that works on other,
similar systems it's not necessarily the user who's to "tlame".

Yes, PEBKAC is always a possibility, but since you mentioned the
scientific method I'll just add that we have no evidence of that
either.  Windows, much someone's working installation of Windows
(which can have a lot more going on on it than a fresh VM) is an
enormously complex system, and it's entirely possible that Cygwin is
*broken* on that particular configuration through no fault of the
user.

Unfortunately, without concrete steps to reproduce the problem, the
rest of us can only speculate.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2019-02-26 16:00, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> On 2/26/2019 2:48 PM, Doug Henderson wrote:
>> Good. This tells us something important. Right after the path listing,
>> cygcheck list "Output from C:\cygwin64\bin\id.exe". The id exe is a
>> cygwin exe which uses cygwin1.dll, cygintl-8.dll, and cygiconv-2.dll.
>> That narrow the problem. These three DLLs might have been corrupted,
>> or something is interfering with their correct operation.
>> See BLODA: See https://cygwin.com/acronyms/
>> Check the list of BLODAs to see if you are running one of those.
> It's just cygwin1.dll for sure. I can replace that with 2.x version and
> everything works fine.
> I don't recognize most of the BLODAs and not running any of them that I know 
> of.
> Are there any software packages known to interfere with 3.0 and not 2.x?

>From what you said elsewhere, it sounds like you run an Enterprise image, so
your org may have omitted components, features, or products essential to running
Cygwin, may have added components, features, products (like many poor "security"
solutions), or set policies inimical to running Cygwin.
Compatibility of any specific release of any software product with any given
enterprise image configuration requires adequate testing to ensure required
dependencies are included in the image configuration.
In addition, PCs with recent AMD and Intel CPUs, chipsets, and motherboards, and
other newer hardware, are only supported under Windows 10 Enterprise, with
support for selected enterprise vendor systems with Skylake CPUs under Windows
7, and nothing newer.

A minimal datapoint might be running "cygcheck cygcheck" under cmd, with
whatever explicit path is required to get the executable to run, and posting the
output.
If that works, then if you could try running "cygcheck -hrsv > cygcheck.out"
under cmd, with the same path, and attach the output file as a text/plain
attachment, that would help diagnose the problem.

As Cygwin is a rolling release system, if you are not running current releases,
some CVE security issues may remain unpatched, and your system may not be
compliant to your corporate security policies (you may want to check with your
IT security and/or IT auditors).

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Houder
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:01:27, Jerry Baker via cygwin"  wrote:

> Trying to think of what could make 2.11.x work and 3.0.1 fail on the i7 
> system. The only difference I can think of is that the i7 system is a 
> member of a domain.

(first I would suggest a good night's sleep :-)

If you really believe it is the cygwin1.dll that causes the failure, and
you also believe that your system fails because it is in a domain ...

Why not test (using bisect) the cygwin1.dll 's at cygwin.com/snapshots?

(do not the ones between 20190126 and 20190130, because, as far as I can
 remember, these are not OK).

Start at the beginning of 2019, I would suggest ...

Use a fresh minimal! installation (download from a mirror, not from your
local repo).

Minimize your path to "Cygwin-only" ...

.. etc. (you are an experienced person, you should know what to do!).

If you find the culprit, tell us. The project leader of Cygwin will be
much interested!.

Henri


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Vince Rice
> On Feb 26, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Jerry Baker wrote:
> 
> I don't work for free,
This is open source. Given that the people here do, that's not a very good 
argument.

> especially for hostile people with over inflated egos and crippling social 
> disorders.
Don't feed it by arguing.

> The onus is on whoever is interested in having cygwin work in this particular 
> configuration.
Again, this is open source; there is no onus.

Win7x64 is a very common cygwin installation (including one of my VM's, which 
has
no issues with 3.x). You're the only one reporting the problem. If this were a 
general
Win7x64 problem, the list would have exploded by now. You're the only who has
access to your system. Consequently, you're the only one that's going to be 
able to
debug it. There's nothing obvious (to me, anyway) in your cygcheck.out. If you 
don't
care enough to debug it, that's not a problem; just live with 2.x for as long 
as 2.x will
continue to work.

You might try strace'ing a cygwin program and see if anything obvious shows up 
in
the output. Look for Windows errors, permission errors, etc. (Don't send it 
here unless
someone asks for it). See the User's Guide 
(https://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net.html)
for info on strace.
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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Steven Penny

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:21:15, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:
Well I guess it's a good thing there's only one possible state of 
Windows 7 x64 which allows us to determine that there's no possibility 
of a bug simply by running a single instance in one VM. We're going to 
turn the world of unit testing on its ear with this information.


correct, multiple states are possible. this is why the scientific method defines
a control:

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_control

in this case that would be a clean virtual machine. if you cant or wont do that,
then you must understand that you only have yourself to blame.

I would argue that what is a disservice to the community is jumping into 
a thread in which you were not involved for no apparent purpose other 
than to insult everyone who was already getting a long just fine without 
your genius to guide us.


i provided a valuable data point, which is what happens with a clean windows
environment - results disagree with your original post. i think you missed my
link first time - i have put again below for convenience!

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

cheers


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 7:12 PM, Doug Henderson wrote:

There is one more place you could have a problem. It does not seem
likely, but maybe you have a bad download cache area.

When you run setup, on the fourth panel, where it asks for the Local
Package Directory, you could try deleting that directory. (It must not
be the same as your cygwin root from the previous panel).

The state of mirrors changes over time. Which mirror(s) are you using
(selected on the 6th panel)? I have successfully used
http://mirrors.kernel.org for many years. It's not so important to
pick a local mirror as it used to be, so I go for reliability (and fat
pipes), rather than distance to the mirror. (I have a little program
that times the download of the setup data file from each mirror.)

BTW, what is your DEP setting? Control Panel -> Advanced system
settings -> advanced tab -> Performance Settings -> Data Execution
Prevention tab. I am using the top setting (Turn on DEP for essential
Windows programs and services only) rather than (Turn on DEP for all
programs ad services except those I select). I'm not sure how Address
Space Layout Randomisation (ASLR) is managed on Windows 7, but I think
cygwin exes and dlls get special handling.

HTH
Doug



Thanks. I did try a couple of mirrors with the same result. I will try 
safe mode and a new mirror when the machine is accessible again.


The machine with the problem isn't accessible at the moment, but the 
machine where it works has DEP enabled for all programs.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 7:05 PM, Steven Penny wrote:

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:55:56, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:
Not really. I don't work for free, especially for hostile people with 
over inflated egos and crippling social disorders.


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

The onus is on whoever is interested in having cygwin work in this 
particular configuration. Clearly not you. Since it works with 2.11, 
I'm not particularly interested in expending a lot of work figuring 
out what got botched in 3.0 or who did it. Wasn't me, so not my problem.


It was my mistake to assume that the cygwin community was interested 
in interoperability. I should have done more research before making 
that unwarranted assumption.


it very much is your problem, as im using Windows 7 x64 just fine with 
Cygwin.


Well I guess it's a good thing there's only one possible state of 
Windows 7 x64 which allows us to determine that there's no possibility 
of a bug simply by running a single instance in one VM. We're going to 
turn the world of unit testing on its ear with this information.



and its your problem else you wouldnt have come here posting. you can start
threads with clickbait titles as youve done, buts its a disservice to the
community when you dont have a reproducible problem. thats why this page 
has

existed for 5 years:
I would argue that what is a disservice to the community is jumping into 
a thread in which you were not involved for no apparent purpose other 
than to insult everyone who was already getting a long just fine without 
your genius to guide us.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Doug Henderson
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 19:01, Jerry Baker via cygwin <> wrote:
>
> On 2/26/2019 5:50 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> > Glad to. Please let me know what evidence will suffice to prove that.
> >
> > If it is my system our organization is going to have bigger issues.
> > There are about 3,700 workstations with this machine image just in this
> > building.
>
> Problem machine is an Intel i7 system with 16GB RAM. Ironically, the
> same Windows 7 on an old AMD Athlon X2 system with 4GB of RAM does not
> exhibit the issue at all.
>
> Trying to think of what could make 2.11.x work and 3.0.1 fail on the i7
> system. The only difference I can think of is that the i7 system is a
> member of a domain.

There is one more place you could have a problem. It does not seem
likely, but maybe you have a bad download cache area.

When you run setup, on the fourth panel, where it asks for the Local
Package Directory, you could try deleting that directory. (It must not
be the same as your cygwin root from the previous panel).

The state of mirrors changes over time. Which mirror(s) are you using
(selected on the 6th panel)? I have successfully used
http://mirrors.kernel.org for many years. It's not so important to
pick a local mirror as it used to be, so I go for reliability (and fat
pipes), rather than distance to the mirror. (I have a little program
that times the download of the setup data file from each mirror.)

BTW, what is your DEP setting? Control Panel -> Advanced system
settings -> advanced tab -> Performance Settings -> Data Execution
Prevention tab. I am using the top setting (Turn on DEP for essential
Windows programs and services only) rather than (Turn on DEP for all
programs ad services except those I select). I'm not sure how Address
Space Layout Randomisation (ASLR) is managed on Windows 7, but I think
cygwin exes and dlls get special handling.

HTH
Doug

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Steven Penny

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 18:55:56, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:
Not really. I don't work for free, especially for hostile people with 
over inflated egos and crippling social disorders.


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

The onus is on whoever is interested in having cygwin work in this 
particular configuration. Clearly not you. Since it works with 2.11, I'm 
not particularly interested in expending a lot of work figuring out what 
got botched in 3.0 or who did it. Wasn't me, so not my problem.


It was my mistake to assume that the cygwin community was interested in 
interoperability. I should have done more research before making that 
unwarranted assumption.


it very much is your problem, as im using Windows 7 x64 just fine with Cygwin.
and its your problem else you wouldnt have come here posting. you can start
threads with clickbait titles as youve done, buts its a disservice to the
community when you dont have a reproducible problem. thats why this page has
existed for 5 years:

https://stackoverflow.com/help/mcve

the "V" is Verifiable. and until your example is Verifiable then you shouldnt be
surprised if the "problem" goes unsolved.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 6:43 PM, Steven Penny wrote:

i would like to make that last point vividly clear: its on you to do that
testing. ive already given a clear refutation of your original point, so 
the

ball is now squarely in your court.


Not really. I don't work for free, especially for hostile people with 
over inflated egos and crippling social disorders.


The onus is on whoever is interested in having cygwin work in this 
particular configuration. Clearly not you. Since it works with 2.11, I'm 
not particularly interested in expending a lot of work figuring out what 
got botched in 3.0 or who did it. Wasn't me, so not my problem.


It was my mistake to assume that the cygwin community was interested in 
interoperability. I should have done more research before making that 
unwarranted assumption.



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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Steven Penny

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 17:50:10, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:

Glad to. Please let me know what evidence will suffice to prove that.


pretty simple

1. get the Windows 7 x64 from here
https://softlay.net/operating-system/windows-7-download.html

2. get virtualbox from here
https://virtualbox.org

after you test it and realize like i did that it works, *you* can work forward
from there to figure out what updates if any are causing a problem.

i would like to make that last point vividly clear: its on you to do that
testing. ive already given a clear refutation of your original point, so the
ball is now squarely in your court.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 5:50 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:

Glad to. Please let me know what evidence will suffice to prove that.

If it is my system our organization is going to have bigger issues. 
There are about 3,700 workstations with this machine image just in this 
building.


Problem machine is an Intel i7 system with 16GB RAM. Ironically, the 
same Windows 7 on an old AMD Athlon X2 system with 4GB of RAM does not 
exhibit the issue at all.


Trying to think of what could make 2.11.x work and 3.0.1 fail on the i7 
system. The only difference I can think of is that the i7 system is a 
member of a domain.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 5:17 PM, Steven Penny wrote:
you know i just finished reading this entire thread and its kind of 
depressing.
7 replies from 5 people, and not one person explicitly answered the 
implicit,

most important, and frankly only question worth answering:

    Can anyone else reproduce this problem?

So i am here to answer that question. I was concerned as *I* use Windows 
7 x64
as well. I just tested with a pristine virtual machine with Windows 7 
x64 and
Cygwin 3.0.1-1 and it works perfectly fine. Note it works fine with 
Cygwin.bat

or with the shortcut.


And you installed all the Windows Updates that apply to your system 
since the image you used to set up the VM, including all updates to 
.NET? And you're positive that there can't be any hardware issue that's 
not reproduceable in your VM?


So *something* is wrong on your system. Cant say what it might be, and i 
hate
for you to have to reinstall the whole OS. However as far as im 
concerned at

this point, *its you*, not a Cygwin issue unless you can prove otherwise.


Glad to. Please let me know what evidence will suffice to prove that.

If it is my system our organization is going to have bigger issues. 
There are about 3,700 workstations with this machine image just in this 
building.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Steven Penny

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 15:00:03, "Jerry Baker via cygwin" wrote:
It's just cygwin1.dll for sure. I can replace that with 2.x version and 
everything works fine.


I don't recognize most of the BLODAs and not running any of them that I 
know of. Are there any software packages known to interfere with 3.0 and 
not 2.x?


you know i just finished reading this entire thread and its kind of depressing.
7 replies from 5 people, and not one person explicitly answered the implicit,
most important, and frankly only question worth answering:

   Can anyone else reproduce this problem?

So i am here to answer that question. I was concerned as *I* use Windows 7 x64
as well. I just tested with a pristine virtual machine with Windows 7 x64 and
Cygwin 3.0.1-1 and it works perfectly fine. Note it works fine with Cygwin.bat
or with the shortcut.

So *something* is wrong on your system. Cant say what it might be, and i hate
for you to have to reinstall the whole OS. However as far as im concerned at
this point, *its you*, not a Cygwin issue unless you can prove otherwise.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 2:48 PM, Doug Henderson wrote:

Good. This tells us something important. Right after the path listing,
cygcheck list "Output from C:\cygwin64\bin\id.exe". The id exe is a
cygwin exe which uses cygwin1.dll, cygintl-8.dll, and cygiconv-2.dll.

That narrow the problem. These three DLLs might have been corrupted,
or something is interfering with their correct operation.

See BLODA: See https://cygwin.com/acronyms/

Check the list of BLODAs to see if you are running one of those.


It's just cygwin1.dll for sure. I can replace that with 2.x version and 
everything works fine.


I don't recognize most of the BLODAs and not running any of them that I 
know of. Are there any software packages known to interfere with 3.0 and 
not 2.x?


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Doug Henderson
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 15:10, Jerry Baker via cygwin <> wrote:
>
> On 2/26/2019 1:56 PM, Doug Henderson wrote:
> > Two things.
> > 1. You can execute cygcheck by navigating to C:\cygwin or C:\cygwin64
> > in Explorer and opening a command or powershell window from explorer's
> > shift-context menu. There, run the following command:

>  Here are the results:
>
> 1. That command gets part way through and then hangs with the blinking
> cursor after listing the directories in the path variable.

Good. This tells us something important. Right after the path listing,
cygcheck list "Output from C:\cygwin64\bin\id.exe". The id exe is a
cygwin exe which uses cygwin1.dll, cygintl-8.dll, and cygiconv-2.dll.

That narrow the problem. These three DLLs might have been corrupted,
or something is interfering with their correct operation.

See BLODA: See https://cygwin.com/acronyms/

Check the list of BLODAs to see if you are running one of those.

HTH
Doug

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 2:10 PM, Jerry Baker wrote:

Thanks for the tips. I made a completely fresh install in a new
directory and attempted all three suggestions. Here are the results:

1. That command gets part way through and then hangs with the blinking
cursor after listing the directories in the path variable.

2. bat file or desktop shortcut hangs with a black window and blinking
cursor.

3. Set variable and run Cygwin.bat. Black window with blinking cursor.

Literally every single way you can call a cygwin executable just hangs
with a blinking cursor.


I was also inspired to try unsetting the path variable altogether to 
rule out some rogue application or DLL somewhere else on my system. I 
did that and then tried to run 'bash.' No improvement. I tried 'grep' 
and 'base64' as well. All hang with blinking cursor.


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 1:56 PM, Doug Henderson wrote:

Two things.
1. You can execute cygcheck by navigating to C:\cygwin or C:\cygwin64
in Explorer and opening a command or powershell window from explorer's
shift-context menu. There, run the following command:

.\cygcheck.exe -csr > ..\home\CYGWINUSERNAME\cygcheck.out

or similar.If this does not work, I would look for a anti-virus or
firewall that is interfering.

2. I don't recall you mentioning how you start cygwin. Please try both
standard methods: a) execute c:\cygwin64\Cygwin.bat and b) executing
the Cygwin icon that (by default) cygwin setup places on the desktop.

3. As an after thought, I always run cygwin with CYGWIN_NOWINPATH=1
set in my system environment variables. (From what I understand, I am
one of the few people that do this!) This resets the PATH variable in
the cygwin shell to only contain cygwin directories. If this resolves
the problem, you can edit your .bashrc to add any needed windows path.
For instance, I add the path to some go lang executables. And I set up
aliases or functions to run a few specific Windows exes, such as
Explorer, icacls, cmd, etc. If you want all the directories from your
windows path, they are available in the ORIGINAL_PATH variable, so you
can add all of them at the end of the PATH variable, so they do not
shadow same-named cygwin exes.


Thanks for the tips. I made a completely fresh install in a new 
directory and attempted all three suggestions. Here are the results:


1. That command gets part way through and then hangs with the blinking 
cursor after listing the directories in the path variable.


2. bat file or desktop shortcut hangs with a black window and blinking 
cursor.


3. Set variable and run Cygwin.bat. Black window with blinking cursor.

Literally every single way you can call a cygwin executable just hangs 
with a blinking cursor.



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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Doug Henderson
On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 at 13:00, Jerry Baker via cygwin <> wrote:
>
> On 2/26/2019 11:32 AM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> > Yes, but by wiping out the whole tree and installing 64-bit. You filled
> > me with doubt, so I browsed around with a hex editor looking at quite a
> > few random executables and dll files in cygwin\bin and all of them I
> > checked are 64-bit.
>
> I just installed from scratch in a new directory. Same issue. Nothing runs.

Two things.
1. You can execute cygcheck by navigating to C:\cygwin or C:\cygwin64
in Explorer and opening a command or powershell window from explorer's
shift-context menu. There, run the following command:

.\cygcheck.exe -csr > ..\home\CYGWINUSERNAME\cygcheck.out

or similar.If this does not work, I would look for a anti-virus or
firewall that is interfering.

2. I don't recall you mentioning how you start cygwin. Please try both
standard methods: a) execute c:\cygwin64\Cygwin.bat and b) executing
the Cygwin icon that (by default) cygwin setup places on the desktop.

3. As an after thought, I always run cygwin with CYGWIN_NOWINPATH=1
set in my system environment variables. (From what I understand, I am
one of the few people that do this!) This resets the PATH variable in
the cygwin shell to only contain cygwin directories. If this resolves
the problem, you can edit your .bashrc to add any needed windows path.
For instance, I add the path to some go lang executables. And I set up
aliases or functions to run a few specific Windows exes, such as
Explorer, icacls, cmd, etc. If you want all the directories from your
windows path, they are available in the ORIGINAL_PATH variable, so you
can add all of them at the end of the PATH variable, so they do not
shadow same-named cygwin exes.

HTH
Doug

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Vince Rice
> On Feb 26, 2019, at 2:00 PM, Jerry Baker wrote:
> 
> I just installed from scratch in a new directory. Same issue. Nothing runs.

If cygcheck doesn't run, then it would appear there's (at least) something 
non-cygwin-related
 going on. cygcheck isn't a cygwin program, i.e. it doesn't link to or depend 
on cygwin1.dll.
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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 11:32 AM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:

Yes, but by wiping out the whole tree and installing 64-bit. You filled
me with doubt, so I browsed around with a hex editor looking at quite a
few random executables and dll files in cygwin\bin and all of them I
checked are 64-bit.


I just installed from scratch in a new directory. Same issue. Nothing runs.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 11:19 AM, Ken Brown wrote:

Here's a wild guess, based on the fact that your Cygwin installation is in
C:\cygwin rather than C:\cygwin64.  Do you have a 32-bit Cygwin installation
that you updated using setup-x86_x64.exe instead of setup-x86.exe?


Yes, but by wiping out the whole tree and installing 64-bit. You filled 
me with doubt, so I browsed around with a hex editor looking at quite a 
few random executables and dll files in cygwin\bin and all of them I 
checked are 64-bit.



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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Ken Brown
On 2/26/2019 1:59 PM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> On 2/26/2019 10:44 AM, Vince Rice wrote:
>> What is also described on the page are the reporting guidelines. Please read 
>> them again, paying special
>> attention to the bolded part.

Here's a wild guess, based on the fact that your Cygwin installation is in 
C:\cygwin rather than C:\cygwin64.  Do you have a 32-bit Cygwin installation 
that you updated using setup-x86_x64.exe instead of setup-x86.exe?

Ken

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 10:44 AM, Vince Rice wrote:

What is also described on the page are the reporting guidelines. Please read 
them again, paying special
attention to the bolded part.


That command has the same problem under 3.0.0.1-1 as all the others. 
Under 2.11.2-1 it is as follows:


-
Cygwin Configuration Diagnostics
Current System Time: Tue Feb 26 09:42:22 2019

Windows 7 Professional Ver 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1

Path:   C:\ProgramData\Oracle\Java\javapath
C:\app\product\11.2.0\client_1\bin
C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\iCLS Client\
C:\Program Files\Intel\iCLS Client\
C:\Windows\system32
C:\Windows
C:\Windows\System32\Wbem
C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\
C:\Program Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL
C:\Program Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT
C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL
C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT
C:\PCOMWIN\
C:\Program Files (x86)\IBM\Trace Facility\
C:\Program Files\Google\Google Apps Migration\
C:\Program Files\OpenVPN\bin
C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\pub
C:\Program Files (x86)\utils
C:\cygwin\bin
C:\Program Files (x86)\Nmap
C:\Program Files\FLAC
C:\Program Files\utils

Output from C:\cygwin\bin\id.exe
UID: 1082606(.)
GID: 1049089(Domain Users)
1049089(Domain Users)
545(Users)
4(INTERACTIVE)
66049(CONSOLE LOGON)
11(Authenticated Users)
... long list of groups specific to organization redacted ...
15(This Organization)
4095(CurrentSession)
66048(LOCAL)
70145(Authentication authority asserted identity)
401408(Medium Mandatory Level)

SysDir: C:\Windows\system32
WinDir: C:\Windows

Path = 
'C:\ProgramData\Oracle\Java\javapath;C:\app\product\11.2.0\client_1\bin;C:\Program 
Files (x86)\Intel\iCLS Client\;C:\Program Files\Intel\iCLS 
Client\;C:\Windows\system32;C:\Windows;C:\Windows\System32\Wbem;C:\Windows\System32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\;C:\Program 
Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL;C:\Program 
Files\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\IPT;C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\DAL;C:\Program Files 
(x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine 
Components\IPT;C:\PCOMWIN\;C:\Program Files (x86)\IBM\Trace 
Facility\;C:\Program Files\Google\Google Apps Migration\;C:\Program 
Files\OpenVPN\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\pub;C:\Program Files 
(x86)\utils;C:\cygwin\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Nmap;C:\Program 
Files\FLAC;C:\Program Files\utils'


ALLUSERSPROFILE = 'C:\ProgramData'
APPDATA = 'C:\Users\.\AppData\Roaming'
CommonProgramFiles = 'C:\Program Files\Common Files'
CommonProgramFiles(x86) = 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files'
CommonProgramW6432 = 'C:\Program Files\Common Files'
COMPUTERNAME = 'FAC-P-08098'
ComSpec = 'C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe'
FP_NO_HOST_CHECK = 'NO'
HOMEDRIVE = 'C:'
HOMEPATH = '\Users\.'
LOCALAPPDATA = 'C:\Users\.\AppData\Local'
LOGONSERVER = '\\DC1PA'
NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS = '8'
OS = 'Windows_NT'
PATHEXT = '.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH;.MSC'
PCOMM_Root = 'C:\PCOMWIN\'
PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE = 'AMD64'
PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER = 'Intel64 Family 6 Model 60 Stepping 3, GenuineIntel'
PROCESSOR_LEVEL = '6'
PROCESSOR_REVISION = '3c03'
ProgramData = 'C:\ProgramData'
ProgramFiles = 'C:\Program Files'
ProgramFiles(x86) = 'C:\Program Files (x86)'
ProgramW6432 = 'C:\Program Files'
PROMPT = '$P$G'
PSModulePath = 'C:\Windows\system32\WindowsPowerShell\v1.0\Modules\'
PUBLIC = 'C:\Users\Public'
SESSIONNAME = 'Console'
SystemDrive = 'C:'
SystemRoot = 'C:\Windows'
TEMP = 'C:\Users\.BAK\AppData\Local\Temp'
TMP = 'C:\Users\.BAK\AppData\Local\Temp'
UATDATA = 'C:\Windows\CCM\UATData\D9F8C395-CAB8-491d-B8AC-179A1FE1BE77'
USERDNSDOMAIN = 'xxx.xxx'
USERDOMAIN = 'xxx'
USERNAME = '.'
USERPROFILE = 'C:\Users\.'
VBOX_MSI_INSTALL_PATH = 'C:\Program Files\VirtualBox\'
windir = 'C:\Windows'
windows_tracing_flags = '3'
windows_tracing_logfile = 'C:\BVTBin\Tests\installpackage\csilogfile.log'

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygwin
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cygwin\Installations
  (default) = '\??\C:\cygwin'
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygwin
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygwin\Installations
  (default) = '\??\C:\cygwin'
  0b1a0f41647558d5 = '\??\C:\Program Files'
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Cygwin\setup
  (default) = 'C:\cygwin'
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Cygwin
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Cygwin\Installations
  (default) = '\??\C:\Program Files (x86)\Exact Audio Copy'

obcaseinsensitive set to 1

Cygwin installations found in the registry:
  System: Key: c5e39b7a9d22bafb Path: C:\cygwin
  System: Key: 0b1a0f41647558d5 Path: C:\Program Files (ORPHANED)
  User:   Key: c5e39b7a9d22bafb Path: C:\cygwin

c:  hd  NTFS953767Mb  51% CP CS UN PA FCQU
d:  cd   

Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Vince Rice
> On Feb 26, 2019, at 12:37 PM, Jerry Baker wrote:
> 
> That's why you're reading about it "on the appropriate list," as described on 
> that page. It's a take it or leave it thing. I report it, and the cygwin 
> community can do whatever they like with it - ignore it, investigate it, 
> shoot the messenger. It's their project.

What is also described on the page are the reporting guidelines. Please read 
them again, paying special
attention to the bolded part.
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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Richard Campbell
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 12:38 PM Jerry Baker via cygwin
 wrote:
>
> That's why you're reading about it "on the appropriate list," as
> described on that page. It's a take it or leave it thing. I report it,
> and the cygwin community can do whatever they like with it - ignore it,
> investigate it, shoot the messenger. It's their project.

The requested cygcheck output would be helpful in this regard.

"Run cygcheck -s -v -r > cygcheck.out and include that file as an
attachment in your report. Please do not compress or otherwise encode
the output. Just attach it as a straight text file so that it can be
easily viewed."

-Richard Campbell.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin

On 2/26/2019 10:30 AM, Houder wrote:

Jerry, short answer:


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That's why you're reading about it "on the appropriate list," as 
described on that page. It's a take it or leave it thing. I report it, 
and the cygwin community can do whatever they like with it - ignore it, 
investigate it, shoot the messenger. It's their project.



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. and please, use "bottom-posting" (observe my reordering above). Thank you.


Will do.

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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Houder
> On 2/26/2019 7:38 AM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:
> > I have a large installation of cygwin on Windows 7 x64 for the last
> > decade that has been working without issue. When I use setup-x86_64.exe
> > (2.895) to upgrade the cygwin 2.11.2-1 package to cygwin 3.0.1-1, all of
> > my cygwin applications stop working. Simply executing a command (such as
> > 'bash' or 'grep' or 'date') at a command line just yields a blinking
> > cursor that never returns anything. As soon as I switch back to version
> > 2.11.2-1 everything works again.

On Tue, 26 Feb 2019 09:59:56, Jerry Baker via cygwin"  wrote:
> I have narrowed it down to cygwin1.dll. If I install cygwin 3.0.1-1 and 
> overwrite cygwin1.dll with the 2.11.2-1 version, everything works. 
> Likewise, if I install cygwin 2.11.2-1 and overwrite cygwin1.dll with 
> the 3.0.1-1 version everything stops working.
> 
> Additional information about the broken applications: cygwin 
> applications running under 3.0.1-1 show no output but a blinking cursor 
> and do not respond to CTRL+C or ENTER keys.

Jerry, short answer:

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.. and please, use "bottom-posting" (observe my reordering above). Thank you.

Henri


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Re: Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin
I have narrowed it down to cygwin1.dll. If I install cygwin 3.0.1-1 and 
overwrite cygwin1.dll with the 2.11.2-1 version, everything works. 
Likewise, if I install cygwin 2.11.2-1 and overwrite cygwin1.dll with 
the 3.0.1-1 version everything stops working.


Additional information about the broken applications: cygwin 
applications running under 3.0.1-1 show no output but a blinking cursor 
and do not respond to CTRL+C or ENTER keys.


On 2/26/2019 7:38 AM, Jerry Baker via cygwin wrote:

I have a large installation of cygwin on Windows 7 x64 for the last
decade that has been working without issue. When I use setup-x86_64.exe
(2.895) to upgrade the cygwin 2.11.2-1 package to cygwin 3.0.1-1, all of
my cygwin applications stop working. Simply executing a command (such as
'bash' or 'grep' or 'date') at a command line just yields a blinking
cursor that never returns anything. As soon as I switch back to version
2.11.2-1 everything works again.



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Cygwin 3.0.1-1 Breaks ALL cygwin applications on Windows 7 x64

2019-02-26 Thread Jerry Baker via cygwin
I have a large installation of cygwin on Windows 7 x64 for the last 
decade that has been working without issue. When I use setup-x86_64.exe 
(2.895) to upgrade the cygwin 2.11.2-1 package to cygwin 3.0.1-1, all of 
my cygwin applications stop working. Simply executing a command (such as 
'bash' or 'grep' or 'date') at a command line just yields a blinking 
cursor that never returns anything. As soon as I switch back to version 
2.11.2-1 everything works again.


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