Re: mintty font test
On 6/1/2011 1:27 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: On 31 May 2011 16:17, Charles Wilson wrote: I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere. I'm not keen on doing that. That's fine, it's your site and project. The point remains that this is not mintty-specific, I think that's arguable. The images depend on certain features (and option settings) of mintty -- like the auto-replacement of acsc characters, smoothing settings, the ability to change the terminal's lang settings independently of envvar values, etc. and it's bound to always be somewhat out-of-date and incomplete. Well, of course. Everything on the web is out of date 15 minutes after posting. That doesn't mean it has no value. I don't want to have to deal with requests to update it for new versions of a font, to add more fonts (for example CJK fonts), or to cover other aspects such as support for different languages or maths symbols. In other words, I think the Terminal Font Chronicler is a sizable project in its own right. If there is any intent to ensure it is comprehensive and current, yes. I don't have any such intent. It was reasonably comprehensive, and current as of the date it was created. Good enough for me. I should add an entry about choosing a font to the Tips wiki page though, plugging DejaVu Sans and linking to your review, if you're planning on keeping it at its current location. Err...no. I've been hitting Peter's bandwidth at fruitbat.org pretty hard lately (with the mingw cross compiler hosted there for the last month, and now this page with 2.4MB of images), so I want to move or delete the page. Many of the references I found around the net about terminal fonts were in the form of blog posts. Blog posts are naturally dated, and nobody expects a blogger to go back months later and update an old post (maybe fix typos within a few days of posting, but beyond that, no). So, I reckon I'll put it up on a blog post somewhere. Maybe I'll start a special purpose blog at blogspot or something. -- Chuck -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
On 1 June 2011 16:44, Charles Wilson wrote: On 6/1/2011 1:27 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: and it's bound to always be somewhat out-of-date and incomplete. Well, of course. Everything on the web is out of date 15 minutes after posting. That doesn't mean it has no value. I don't want to have to deal with requests to update it for new versions of a font, to add more fonts (for example CJK fonts), or to cover other aspects such as support for different languages or maths symbols. In other words, I think the Terminal Font Chronicler is a sizable project in its own right. If there is any intent to ensure it is comprehensive and current, yes. I don't have any such intent. Me neither, but a wiki does create that expectation, even more so with an issue tracker next to it ... It was reasonably comprehensive, and current as of the date it was created. Agreed. I should add an entry about choosing a font to the Tips wiki page though, plugging DejaVu Sans and linking to your review, if you're planning on keeping it at its current location. Err...no. I've been hitting Peter's bandwidth at fruitbat.org pretty hard lately (with the mingw cross compiler hosted there for the last month, and now this page with 2.4MB of images), so I want to move or delete the page. Many of the references I found around the net about terminal fonts were in the form of blog posts. Blog posts are naturally dated, and nobody expects a blogger to go back months later and update an old post (maybe fix typos within a few days of posting, but beyond that, no). So, I reckon I'll put it up on a blog post somewhere. Maybe I'll start a special purpose blog at blogspot or something. That sounds like the right approach to me. Thanks, Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
Am 31.05.2011 20:19, schrieb Thomas Wolff: Am 31.05.2011 17:17, schrieb Charles Wilson: On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote: It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no. Find it attached though. Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff. I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere. The test file was kind of a hack. For the purpose of proliferation :) I cleaned it up a little bit and will provide the update tomorrow. Thomas Attached. You are welcome to put this file on a wiki page. (Not in a blog please.) Thomas xgraphics2 Description: Binary data -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote: It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no. Find it attached though. Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff. I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere. http://code.google.com/p/mintty/w/list Obviously, any direct download links in the wiki text (such as img src= / elements like the screenshots here: http://code.google.com/p/mintty/ would require that those files be added to svn under images/ or something. Andy, if you agree but don't want to do it yourself, I can do it if you give me (temporary) privileges...send me a private email for code.google account info. FWIW, the current version of those images (*) are (as of this email) explicitly placed under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license, as is the web page that aggregates and displays them. (*) except for fonts-consolas-w7.png, which was created by Andy. -- Chuck -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
Am 31.05.2011 17:17, schrieb Charles Wilson: On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote: It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no. Find it attached though. Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff. I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere. The test file was kind of a hack. For the purpose of proliferation :) I cleaned it up a little bit and will provide the update tomorrow. Thomas -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
On 31 May 2011 16:17, Charles Wilson wrote: On 5/27/2011 1:29 AM, Andy Koppe wrote: On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote: It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no. Find it attached though. Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff. I think this file, as well as the font-test stuff, would be most accessible if added to the mintty wiki somewhere. http://code.google.com/p/mintty/w/list Obviously, any direct download links in the wiki text (such as img src= / elements like the screenshots here: http://code.google.com/p/mintty/ would require that those files be added to svn under images/ or something. I'm not keen on doing that. The point remains that this is not mintty-specific, and it's bound to always be somewhat out-of-date and incomplete. I don't want to have to deal with requests to update it for new versions of a font, to add more fonts (for example CJK fonts), or to cover other aspects such as support for different languages or maths symbols. In other words, I think the Terminal Font Chronicler is a sizable project in its own right. I should add an entry about choosing a font to the Tips wiki page though, plugging DejaVu Sans and linking to your review, if you're planning on keeping it at its current location. GDI font linking could be mentioned there as well, which is a Windows font fallback scheme that can be configured in the registry at HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\FontLink\SystemLink. Also, the Character Map utility, which displays all the glyphs in a font. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
On 5/25/2011 7:42 PM, Charles Wilson wrote: FYI: http://cygutils.fruitbat.org/mintty-font-test/ Ok, I redid the screenshots, but this time I made sure to cat the xgraphics file again after changig the font. This is really valuable, Chuck! I'd already independently settled on Deja Vu and Lucida Console already based on ad hoc testing, but these test results give me a objective foundation for that opinion. (Why Lucida Console given its deficiencies compared to Deja Vu? It's more vertically compact, allowing more lines in a window for a given point size, and I don't seem to have any programs here that need the missing glyphs.) If random list members can nominate others for gold stars, I so do. :) It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote: It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no. Find it attached though. Andy xgraphics Description: Binary data -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: mintty font test
On 27 May 2011 06:26, Andy Koppe wrote: On 26 May 2011 16:53, Warren Young wrote: It might be good if this xgraphics file you have were distributed with mintty in the doc directory, so others can repeat the test on their system with other fonts. It's not mintty-specific and it's not documentation, so no. Find it attached though. Forgot to say: the file was created by Thomas Wolff. Andy -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
